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SaturnFX
Wrabbit2000
On matters involving atmospheric studies, I am going to go with NASA over...some random oil baron and his stooge politician
And, yes, the Southern hemisphere is experiencing a heat wave, but they just got done having some unusually brutal winter weather, especially in South America.
Source
Nearly three feet of snow closed roads in and out of Jerusalem, which is set in high hills, and thousands in and around the city were left without power. Israeli soldiers and police rescued hundreds trapped in their cars by snow and ice. In the West Bank, the branches of olive trees groaned under the weight of snow.
In Cairo, where local news reports said the last recorded snowfall was more than 100 years ago, children in outlying districts capered in white-covered streets, and adults marveled at the sight, tweeting pictures of snow-dusted parks and squares. In other parts of the city, rain and hail rocketed down.
bobs_uruncle
Rezlooper
To sum up...Central North America experiences a deep freeze while the rest of the world experiences freak warm temperatures. Are we going into an Ice Age or could it at all be possible that we are experiencing global warming?
We are going into an ice-age.
The ground state or normal weather of the planet is ice-ages and usually follow a ratio of about 10:1 ice-age to temperate periods (~100kyrs:10kyrs),
[ Order emerges from chaos and the earth will fix itself.
ProfessorChaos
SaturnFX
Wrabbit2000
On matters involving atmospheric studies, I am going to go with NASA over...some random oil baron and his stooge politician
Yeah, because NASA isn't beholden to the government for its funding, right? Last I checked, the government was comprised of politicians who were funded by the wealthy, and the wealthy are primarily big business owners, corporations, and yes, even Oil Barons.
As far as I'm concerned, NASA is no more reliable than any other source since they can be dictated to by the government like any other agency, and since the current administration is rife with the global warming crowd, I'd say NASA's distributed info to the public is no more impartial than anyone else's.
onequestion
Its arrogant to think we have more control over the weather then the cosmic ebbs and flow of the universe.
ProfessorChaos
SaturnFX
Wrabbit2000
On matters involving atmospheric studies, I am going to go with NASA over...some random oil baron and his stooge politician
Yeah, because NASA isn't beholden to the government for its funding, right? Last I checked, the government was comprised of politicians who were funded by the wealthy, and the wealthy are primarily big business owners, corporations, and yes, even Oil Barons.
As far as I'm concerned, NASA is no more reliable than any other source since they can be dictated to by the government like any other agency, and since the current administration is rife with the global warming crowd, I'd say NASA's distributed info to the public is no more impartial than anyone else's.
America's arrogance....
nixie_nox
bobs_uruncle
Rezlooper
To sum up...Central North America experiences a deep freeze while the rest of the world experiences freak warm temperatures. Are we going into an Ice Age or could it at all be possible that we are experiencing global warming?
We are going into an ice-age.
Really? How so?
funny, this is supposed to be the "lull".
The ground state or normal weather of the planet is ice-ages and usually follow a ratio of about 10:1 ice-age to temperate periods (~100kyrs:10kyrs),
Um, no. There is no baseline climate. That is the point of the cycle. We are not currently in a freeze cycle.
[ Order emerges from chaos and the earth will fix itself.
Then you admit we broke it?
It is actually in the government's best interest to NOT have global warming. GW will cost the government far more money, with disasters already costing record billions, we could be looking at trillions. There is no revenue that could ever touch that. Not to mention any unforeseen side effects and problems, and things that are not a result of natural disasters such as increased diseases, the effects on the economy and society, etc.
It is going to be far, far, FAR more costly for everyone to have GW. Any revenue will be a drop in the bucket.
jjkenobi
So because it's summer time and hot in Australia global warming is true? How is that any different from saying since it's so cold in America global warming is false? There is nothing conclusive to prove anything.
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by ketsuko
And, yes, the Southern hemisphere is experiencing a heat wave, but they just got done having some unusually brutal winter weather, especially in South America.
Your mention made me recall..This winter is what saw snowfall in Cairo and Tel Aviv both. Pics of Jerusalem looked more like a Midwestern interstate during a heavy snow storm for wrecks.
Source
Nearly three feet of snow closed roads in and out of Jerusalem, which is set in high hills, and thousands in and around the city were left without power. Israeli soldiers and police rescued hundreds trapped in their cars by snow and ice. In the West Bank, the branches of olive trees groaned under the weight of snow.
In Cairo, where local news reports said the last recorded snowfall was more than 100 years ago, children in outlying districts capered in white-covered streets, and adults marveled at the sight, tweeting pictures of snow-dusted parks and squares. In other parts of the city, rain and hail rocketed down.
The first snowstorm in a 100 years is something when some folks might suggest the same area is actually warmer for this year. I think assumptions get made where assumptions don't necessarily fit changing circumstances, eh?
jjkenobi
So because it's summer time and hot in Australia global warming is true? How is that any different from saying since it's so cold in America global warming is false? There is nothing conclusive to prove anything.
muSSang
Dude I live in Brisbane Queensland, we had 2 hot days one were the temp hit 43c, this wasn't global warming, it was a set if circumstances, and it was predicted a week earlier.
It's actually been a cold summer here, last night my son snuck into bed with me because he was cold! I can't remember a summer where we had to have blankets.edit on 10-1-2014 by muSSang because: (no reason given)
A wave of stifling heat started began around Christmas and continues to move counterclockwise across Australia's north and into the south. The latest scorcher comes on the heel of Australia’s hottest year on record.
High temperatures are now shifting into Western Australia, with large areas being “under extreme heatwave to severe heatwave.”
"Certainly looking at the forecast over the next week, it's looking like that heat is going to continue," Karly Braganza of the Bureau of Meteorology has told the AP.
Already in January, 10 heatwave conditions are expected to expand eastwards and reach parts of South Australia.
Since December 27, temperature records have been set at 34 locations across Australia, according to the Bureau.
With the absence of monsoon rains in Australia's north last summer the entire continent endured its hottest year since records began in 1910, the Bureau of Meteorology said last week. The late arrival of the monsoon in northern Australia, which has a cooling effect, is contributing to the extreme heat, Braganza said, adding that global warming also has a role in this.
The soaring temperatures have caused death and illness for thousands of animals across the country.
Bats are said to be dropping from trees en masse and kangaroos are collapsing.
"It's an enormous animal welfare concern," Louise Saunders, president of the Queensland animal welfare group Bat Conservation and Rescue told AP.
At least 50,000 bats had been killed by the heat in the southeast part of Queensland.
"As they succumb, they just fall in heaps at the base of trees," Saunders said. "You can have 250 or more — it's like dripping chocolate — all dying at the base of trees."
A large number of dead parrots, kangaroos and emus have also been found due to the extended dry conditions caused by the heat wave.
‘Yep, we fried an egg on a shovel’
To demonstrate the extreme heat, pub owner Phil Turner from the Outback town of Maree, 700 kms (435 miles) north of Adelaide in South Australia, cooked an egg in a shovel.
"You hear stories of people frying an egg on a shovel, so we set up a shovel this morning out the front and sure enough we've got an egg there that's slowly frying away," he told ABC radio.
Faced with an oven-like heat, locals are desperate to find ways to cool themselves down. Some soak in a small wading pool for much of the day; others rely on two electric fans.
Soaring temperatures have had a devastating impact on cattle farmers in Queensland, which accounts for about 50 percent of the national herd. Australia is the world's third largest beef exporter, with sales during the 2013/14 season projected to reach A$5.4 billion ($4.82 billion).
But as the heat forces farmers to send cattle to slaughter, the country’s cattle herd is predicted to fall to 25 million heads during the 2013/14 season, the lowest since the 2009/10 season, the Australian Bureau of Agriculture and Resource Economics and Sciences said.
Some farmers have said that if significant rains do not fall by autumn their operations will become worthless and they would have no option but to abandon their properties, the New Zealand Herald reported.
So far, the weather outlook is not good. It is expected that the overall record high of 50.7C (123.3F) for the country set in 1960 in the south might be broken in the next few days if current conditions continue.
dlbott
reply to post by Rezlooper
What the hell are you talking about. The only person I hear whining about this cold snap is you. How you get off speaking for America, you look like a monkey but not the president. Which is the person we elected to speak for us. You don't speak for me.
dlbott
Another bash America thread, now over weather lol. No one in America thinks the world's weather revolves around us. If we really felt like this we would just control the weather. We could easily moved the vortex with harp. But we don't because we know things don't revolve around us.
dlbott
reply to post by Rezlooper
You guys really don't like living here please move, go away. We don't want whiny snivelers here anyway. Seriously...
The Bot