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Jesus used a magic wand?

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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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I had hesitated clicking on this topic, but darn that's interesting, the rod and the staff, and all that jazz.



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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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dashen
Banned portions of the Babylonian Talmud describe Jesuss life between age 12 and 30 as spent learning magic in Egypt.
This was all after he was ejected from Academy in Judea.



Indeed....


Also just saw this.... very....er....odd!!

www.come-and-hear.com...
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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I absolutely do believe in miracles, I have seen it happen to many times on a personal level, and you cant call placebo when the person doesn't believe it is possible and doesn't know you are praying for them.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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blupblup

dashen
Banned portions of the Babylonian Talmud describe Jesuss life between age 12 and 30 as spent learning magic in Egypt.
This was all after he was ejected from Academy in Judea.



Indeed....


Also just saw this.... very....er....odd!!

www.come-and-hear.com...
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That's interesting - if the Penis (chakra?) was the source of Jesus's (or Balaam son of Pantera's) power (like your link suggests) then perhaps the magic wand is a symbol for his penis? Thanks for the links!


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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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MerkabaMeditation

blupblup

dashen
Banned portions of the Babylonian Talmud describe Jesuss life between age 12 and 30 as spent learning magic in Egypt.
This was all after he was ejected from Academy in Judea.



Indeed....


Also just saw this.... very....er....odd!!

www.come-and-hear.com...
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That's interesting - if the Penis (chakra?) was the source of Jesus's (or Balaam son of Pantera's) power (like your link suggests) then perhaps the magic wand is a symbol for his penis? Thanks for the links!


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Actually, in the Apocalypse of John, Jesus explains how how his heir carries the same iron rod as he in turn received from his father:


And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers : even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 2:27 KJV
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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It should be noted that the Ancient Egyptians were a bit obsessed about the erect phallus' which were portrayed on their art de rigeur. Nut and Geb are perhaps the 'inspiration' for this. The European archaeologists etc often erased them. The Romans similarly portrayed such erect phallus in their art, similarly as the norm rather than the rarity.

Fertility was of the utmost importance to primitive cultures. It stands to reason that Jesus as ''the rod'' and the symbolism of the staff has connections to more ancient fertility rituals and beliefs.

The presumption that Jesus / Chriatianity and Judaism as uninfluenced by their cultural surroundings and contemporary and cultural heritage of previous eras is a naive perspective.

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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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The Holy Roman Church might have removed the wand from Christian history to reenforce Jesus as God on Earth - or else people might ask why would the one-and-only God need a tool like a wand to perform miracles.

Personally, I have suspected for a long while now that all mention of staffs/wands in religious literature is just a symbolism that the God Power is too holy for "unclean"/sinful men to handle directly and we therefore need some kind of holy mediator or tool - ie the "Holy Wood" of wand - that is untained by sin and therefore can act as a medium for God to act through. There are many examples of this kind of symbolism in the bible like the Holy of Holiest, the burning bush etc.
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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Blue Shift
He actually had a magical prayer shawl. If you can manage to touch the tzitzit of his tallit, he doesn't even have to be paying attention and you get healed! Good to know. (See Matthew 9:20, Mark 5:25, Luke 8:43, Luke 8:44.)

Contemporary priests and preachers kind of like to downplay Jesus's activities with magic, sorcery and necromancy, despite the Gospels being chock full of it.

After reading those verses and come to the conclusion there was no magical prayer shawl. I have read all of Matthew and there is no magical prayer shawl. Try a web search for "correlation is not causation".



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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Yes, it was possibly part of the purposeful portrayal of Jesus as all mighty.

Also, there were a lot of trends then, things like wands had become less popular as the Early Roman Church established it's identity and either hid, denied or absorbed and renamed anything hinting at paganism or a power accessible to all that wasn't directly via their own chosen vessel of God.

Gaining followers and controlling populations was so much easier with everyone singing from the same song book.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 10:02 PM
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It doesn't make any sense to me. Why? Because we have Christian texts from before the 3rd century AD, and none of them describe any type of wand. The term Good Shepherd has nothing to do with being an actual shepherd, with sheep. The shepherd term is meant to signify that Jesus protects humans as a shepherd would a flock of sheep, to put it in a basic statement. Anyway, it seems to me that there was some artistic license taken, considering had 3rd century artists actually gotten the wand idea from older texts, we would likely have found some of these texts by now. I mean we have many of the same texts today that they had then.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:02 PM
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Not trying to discredit Jesus but could it be possible that these "wands" are actually just sticks? Like a stick a teacher would use during teaching way back then? He's pointing in most of if not all of the posted images above like he's teaching . But then again he isn't teaching math so would a stick be necessary?



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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More about the origins of Christianity being of Ancient Egyptian influence and hence the use of a ''wand'' being part of such ideology.

Knowing the historical origins and influences of current religions is the best way to understanding the truth of the reality in which their creation came to be.

Most importantly, the first known images of Jesus depicted on ancient art do not tie to the gospels / scriptures and later artistic representations as commissioned by the then Early Roman Church, which were often the result of deliberate manipulation and calculated representation.


origins of Christianity


The Zodiac

In " The Christ Conspiracy", Acharya S elucidates that the many motives as to why these narratives are so similar, with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, and who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were all based on the movements of the Sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet because the Sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. Or in other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the Sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the Sun through the heavens.

For instance, many of the world's crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th ("Christmas"). This is because the ancients recognized that from an earthcentric perspective the Sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's Sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th.

The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the Sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the Sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "Sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.

The following are the characteristics of the "Sun of God"
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the Sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The Sun is the "Light of the World."
The Sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
The Sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
The Sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The Sun "walks on water."
The Sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the Sun must pass.
The Sun at 12:00 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The Sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The Sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The Egyptian Pharaohs also identified themselves in life with the Sun god Horus and in death with his father Osiris. These myths identified the Pharaoh as both the earthly form of the royal falcon god who triumphed over his enemies and the pious son who claims the throne after the death of his father. Whilst Osiris ruled the dead in the underworld, Horus ruled the living. Horus and Osiris, just like Jesus, became interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one"). Horus, who predates the Christ by 3000 years shared the following in common with him.

Horus was called "Iusa/Iao/Iesu/Iusha" the "KRST," with Iusha even contributing to the name of Jesus which in Hebrew of course is Yeshua (Iusha). In the Old Testament, it is Joshua (Iusha) son of Jacob.
Horus became born of the virgin Isis-Meri (Mary) on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").
He was of royal descent.
At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").
He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.
Horus walked on water.
His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."
He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
He came to fulfill the Law.
Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."
Horus's principal enemy was "Set" (biblical Seth) or "Sata" (Satan) Set represents the Serpent of the Night. Horus is the Golden Sun (Son) it becomes the struggle between day and night for supremacy.
Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."


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The rendering of characters from the gospel stories is remarkably consistent on the sarcophagi. Jesus appears as a young man with a boyish features and an expression that's usually both joyful and confident. This is the blond Jesus of the catacombs and early Christian wall paintings, not the dark-haired, solemn, "oriental" Jesus of later Christianity. His face, hair, and effeminate body features are indistinguishable from those in the Roman rendering of youthful Apollo, from whom Jesus can be differentiated only by context. Peter's looks vary little from specimen to specimen, despite the fact that the sarcophagi seem to span two centuries. Even Pontius Pilate and the soldier who crowns Jesus are recognizable from one sample to the next. We can be certain of identifications of most figures in the sarcophagus scenes, based on details of the scene, such as the rooster from the story of Peter's denial, the hand-washing of Pilate, the lions with Daniel, and the jugs of wine at Cana. A few of the scenes are less easy to correlate with Bible stories - is that Jesus raising Lazarus or Ezekiel -sculpted to resemble Jesus - bringing life to the dry bones? Finally, some common scenes don't correlate with stories in the Christian canon at all, but do correlate with stories from Christian books deemed heretical by the increasingly catholic church.




Of 414 total scenes, we counted 68 where Jesus or Peter use wands to perform miracles. In a few other scenes, Moses and Ezekiel also use a wand to bring water from a stone or to resurrect dry bones. Also, very rarely, Jesus carries a wand but is not using it to conduct power by contact. Nowhere in the Bible is there any indication that Jesus would use a wand. Some claim the wand is in fact a staff of authority, but on the sarcophagi the wand doesn't appear with Jesus in any role of authority. The meaning of a wand would have been completely unambiguous in ancient times; it was the primary symbol of magic in eastern and western art of the period. The wand is a common symbol of the Roman mystery cults - Mithraism in particular - whose savior-heroes, like Jesus, performed magic healing, and whose followers formed intense personal bonds with a savior-hero.




Jesus' wand is almost always present in scenes of the multiplication of loaves and fishes, but it is never used for healing the blind man, the paralytic, or the woman with an issue of blood. These healing scenes instead involve direct bodily contact - the laying on of hands. Margaret Jensen suggests that early Christians may have thus seen healing as a less magical feat, performable by mere wise men, differentiating "medicine" from real magic. The biblical Jesus defends himself against accusation of being a magician. It seems unlikely that Jesus would have confused his audience by denouncing magic while using a magician's wand, particularly if his message was that the source of his healing power was God the Father. Thus we cannot reconcile certain parts of the canonical gospels with some of what we see on the sarcophagi.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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It probably isn't a coincidence that the Ancient Egyptian Sun God Ra was depicted with a staff.

There are so many direct correlations to Christianity and Atenism

Born of goddess / sacred birth / protector from an evil underworld, ascension to heaven, allusions to a creator god, rebirth, monotheism



Sun god

Overall, the sun god was the dominant deity in Egyptian religion, although he could take different forms.. The earliest deities associated with the sun are Wadjet, Sekhmet, Hathor, Nut, Bast, Bat, and Menhit. First Hathor, and then Isis, give birth to and nurse Horus and Ra.

In the eighteenth dynasty, Akhenaten changed the polytheistic religion of Egypt to a pseudo-monotheistic one, Atenism. All other deities were replaced by the Aten, including, Amun, the reigning sun god of Akhenaten's own region. Unlike other deities, the Aten did not have multiple forms. His only image was a disk - a symbol of the sun.

Most common forms:

At dawn - Khepri, the scarab beetle rolling the sun disk above the eastern horizon
In evening - Atum, an old man - Atum-Ra
Re-Harakhty, the great hawk/falcon soaring in the sky, responsible for all creation. Amalgamation of Ra and Horus; Falcon-headed Ra, sometimes crowned with a solar disk and Uraeus (see illustration at left)
Amun-Re, king of the gods and protector of the pharaoh when he was on military campaigns. he handed the scimitar to great warrior pharaohs like Tuthmosis III.
Other depictions:

Atum
A man wearing a pharaoh's crown (a sign of his leadership of the deities) and the wadjet (cobra with the wings of a vulture), with sun disk above his head.
Body of a man and the head of a hawk, holding an ankh & scepter.
"Re" is an alternate form of "Ra."

Sun boat: Ra was thought to travel in a sun boat (The Boat of the Millions) to protect its fires from the primordial waters of the underworld it passed through during the night. Ra traveled in the sun boat with various other deities including Set and Mehen who defended against the monsters of the underworld, and Ma'at who guided the boat's course. The monsters included Apep, an enormous serpent who tried to stop the sun boat's journey every night by consuming it. The Ra myth saw the sunrise as the rebirth of the sun by the goddess Nut and the sky, thus attributing the concept of rebirth and renewal to Ra and strengthening his role as a creator god. Alternate myth: See "Scarab " below.

The benu bird is Ra's bird and a symbol of fire and rebirth (see Obelisk).



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:04 AM
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To me it's most likely that Jesus and his 12 disiples were in fact Jesus the Nazarene as referenced in the Babylonian Talmud, and his five disiples Mattai, Naqqai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah. He was stoned to death on the Eve of Passover because he supposedly practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel to idolatry. He may have gotten quite a following back in the days, and I suspect that the Holy Roman Church used this story of Jesus the Nazarene and his five disiples as the template for their modern doctrine - the goal being an agile religion that could easily adapt into most existing pagan religions and thusly making it easier to convert people. Thereby it made sense combing other religions and occult sciences like 12 months, the solstices, dualism etc, ie. Jesus suddenly got 12 disiples instead of the earlier 5, he was born on the winter solstice and not in July, he now gave himself as a blood sacrifise and was not stoned, a.s.f.

Even his name was changed, the Rabbies might have called him Jesus at the time to hide his real name, Balaam or Bilam. Jesus (or Yesua) may actually be a curse to forget Balaams name or to hide the fact that Balaam and Jesus was the same individual.



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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:11 AM
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A scenario much like that is plausible.

And I wouldn't be surprised if there were such things as spells attached to names. A whole lot of people have bought it hook, line and sinker, for a long time. Even questioning the validity of text compared to art is too much for some to even comprehend. Even factual evidence will not sway some from that which they were told, even when the bible contradicts it.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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Not a curse as such; "Yeshu" is actually an acronym for the formula (ימח שמו וזכרו(נו (Y'mach Sh'mo V'Zichro(no)) meaning "may his name and memory be obliterated". The earliest known example of this theory comes from medieval Toldoth Yeshu narratives. This has led to the accusation, first voiced by the anti-Judaist writer Johann Andreas Eisenmenger in his Entdecktes Judenthum, that "Yeshu" was always such a deliberately insulting term for Jesus.

Etymology of Yeshu.



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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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if he is the son of God.. then it's pretty obvious this wand stuff is just nonsense
if he isn't the son of God.. he may as well add juggling chainsaws into the act

..don't people get it?



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:37 AM
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I know about the name I have studied it.

There are all sorts of anomalies relating to early religions and conflicting accounts, it would be nice to know the truth but seeing as it was such a long time ago and not all that much literature survives from then and that it would have to be specific, perhaps it might remain elusive for now. Unless of course the complete and unaltered Vatican files are released. Now those are worth a read, I have read plenty but there are likely so many more in those vaults worth more than their weight in gold.
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:49 AM
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The problem we're facing is that with all wars - be it between nations or religions - is that the victor records history. As Winston Churchill once replied when asked how history would treat his legacy; "Good!" he replied - "Because I will write it!".



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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:51 AM
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So...the 'magic wand'.

Was it a hyperdermic syringe, or a remote control for nano-tech?

Answers on a papyrus postcard.



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