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MacBeth and Shakespeare

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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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Hello everyone, in advance, this is one of my first threads so i'm not too sure where to post this or what to exactly write


Recently, I've started looking into an amazing play by Shakespeare, Macbeth. It's quite interesting about what themes it presents however i wanted to know what ideas have on this play as it seems to me that apart from the obvious themes eg. Ambition, Trustworthiness and treachery and some other quite simple ones, and the purpose entertainment, there must be some even deeper meaning to the play surely?


Well I watched St.trinians with my younger cousins and there introduces the theme of Shakespeare not being who really might be, so i came on here and wow there is such a debate :O
This idea then came up. If shakespeare was who just one person names Shakespeare and none other what other information could he have known that might add to the meaning of this play? But if you believe he was someone else, or some other group of people then what information could they/he might've known that none other but the royal and nobles might've known?


What other information might have the author of this play be trying to tell us?


I see the answer at the moment as, well nothing apart form the obvious, but the realistic storyline and the deranged slightly characters in the play have now actually started to also remind me of the future. I know the threat to sovereigns has always been there but might there be a warning for his audience about what the future may bring? All the treachery and betrayal echoing some of his ideas?




p.s. not bad smilies




posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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One issue is character. One of the features of tragedy is supposed to be that people are brought down by flaws in their character, and you can apply that to Macbeth and his wife.
Are you aware that the legendary history made Banquo the ancestor of the king of England and Scotland in Shakespeare's time? So choosing this story was an obvious way of flattering the king.

PS There is a "literature" forum in the "off-topic" half of the site, which is an option if you want to focus on the more literary side of these things.



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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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ahahah i know all that
i have looked into that
but i wanted to know if there's even more to that
One of the purpose's was flattery, but then i think so could that have lead Shakespeare to have an even closer contact with the King therefore he found out more 'secret' information?
aha

and thank you i wasn't too sure

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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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You should try a general search engine before posting threads perhaps as often that will give an answer.

Macbeth was based on real history. Details here.

As for Shakespeare, author of literary works aplenty being a man called William Shakespeare, there are a few theories and if there is a thread on that already, probably best posting there.

I also agree that it perhaps should be on the literary forum instead of General Conspiracies.

On a plus, I think your over use of the radioactive pea emoticons has brought a new version, squarefaces, not great but a slight improvement, until they turned them green again that is.
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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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theabsolutetruth
You should try a general search engine before posting threads perhaps as often that will give an answer.

Macbeth was based on real history. Details here.

As for Shakespeare, author of literary works aplenty being a man called William Shakespeare, there are a few theories and if there is a thread on that already, probably best posting there.

I also agree that it perhaps should be on the literary forum instead of General Conspiracies.

On a plus, I think your over use of the radioactive pea emoticons has brought a new version, squarefaces, not great but an improvement.

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Yep, you got it!

Have you heard about the rumour that Christopher Marlow was William Shakespeare?

Christopher Marlow got himself in a lot of bother as a young man and fell foul of the English authorities for a number of reasons. There is a theory that his death at the hands of three ruffians was really a masonic code (refer to the freemason legend of the three ruffians killing Hiram Abiff) that his death was a cover up and allowed Marlow to assume a new identity as a reformed court poet known as William Shakespeare.

It seems very suspicious that there is so little known about Shakespeare's life, particularly his youth. This was the playwright to the royals and we know so much about Shakespeare's contemporaries, but not him.

I have read a lot of Marlow and Shakespeare and it amazes me how similar they are. It would almost seem like Marlow is really just a developing Shakespeare. Marlow was quite the genius!

It is a theory worth examining. I once read that it is a revealed secret at a certain degree in freemasonry that Marlow and Shakespeare are both one and the same.

Thanks for your time.


Christopher Marlow.


William Shakespeare.

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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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I have heard the Marlowe as Shakespeare theory, as well as the Queen Elizabeth one. There are theories that William Shakespeare the person couldn't write as well as other anomalies to the 'story' but who knows, unless some more evidence comes to light, which would be nice.

Some worthwhile explorations of some theories here.

Shakespeare is certainly fascinating and obviously such longevity has come from talent and the timelessness of his work. I recall playing Hecate at school as my first foray into Shakespeare.

The reconstructed Globe in London is worth a visit and does live performances.

Aspersions of anti antisemitism aside, I think the Merchant of Venice production in 2004, is a really good, emotive portrayal of the original. I do like atmospheric historical movies though.

I can't stand some contemporary interpretations though.


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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 07:02 PM
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Wow, you are so lucky to have experienced acting Shakespeare on stage!

I would love to visit the Globe and shall do so one day.

It's lovely to speak to someone who has enthusiasm for literature.

I've just been on a huge quest these last couple of days. I have been researching Arthur Rimbaud. I've been linking him with all the beat poets and 60s rock poets of music like Morrison and later Patti Smith. His influence upon the 60s is very profound, really from the days of Kerouac and Ginsberg onwards.

Great stuff. Hope to meet up with you in another literary thread some time. I have read many of your comments here. You are a very bright person.

Goodnight to you and the OP!

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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Thank you, that is very kind of you.

Indeed, Rimbaud, as you said is of great influence to many, and at such a pivotal cultural era of decadence. He also influenced the art world of the day.

I hope you do get to visit the Globe, a great experience.

Goodnight.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 09:17 PM
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English. The bard known as Shakespeare's first language.



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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Thou has 't now, King, Cawdor, Glamis, all as the weird women predicted, and I fear thou played most foully for 't.

I've been waiting to do that lol.
But the topic of Shakespear interests me greatly. OP google will give you more answers and even more question so try there first



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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Ahaha thanks guys for your ideas

And I have no idea, is it possible to move threads if so how?

Sorry for not replying been busy



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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You would probably have to ask a mod to get the thread moved.



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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ahah thanks guys and i;m guessing the only possible conspiracy about it is whether shakespeare was real or not



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