I'd bet they don't EVER actually attempt to send anyone into space because the concept, as of now, is Reality TV show based on Ad revenue, ala
Capricorn One or those old Fox Alien Autopsy shows. The REAL ad money and high TV viewer numbers lay in showing these people "get ready" for space
travel and colonization, NOT in the actual space flight and colonization. There is simply no way to support these people long term with proper
supplies/spares, ground technical support staff and MAKE A PROFIT; should the colonizers ACTUALLY be successful surviving day to day, but also at the
same time not be sufficiently "entertaining" enough in their day-to-day activities to generate "TV viewers" and "Ad revenue".
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Taking in consideration that these first pioneers will be selected because of their natural interest voor sciences, curiosity and the required skills
to be on their own and among a few other people, these first inhabitans of Mars will have a ball...if they have everything to last a lifetime.
You actually believe these people will be chosen "because of their natural interest in voor sciences, curiosity and the required skills to be on
via the established and advertised Facebook selection process? I'd bet my life savings right here and now they won't even have a
proper Medical Professional that can do actual surgical procedures with them on the trip. A successful 12-0 high school football coach can't even
keep his job in America for not Toeing the Line, so what are the chances qualified people will be chosen for this endeavor?
Newsflash, REAL "pioneers" don't make good reality TV, nor are they cooperative corporate leeches. Basically anyone that could actually pull this
off would NEVER be considered for selection these days by the corporate suits OR their appointed screeners. Why? Because they would have questions
about the equipment, safety/reliability, staff support, etc, etc, etc, that no corporate suits could answer and would have no intention of even trying
to answer anyway. Available technology aside, in the 1960's and before, a Mars mission of any kind could have possibly been successful, due
PRIMARILY to proper qualified staff selection, I would say even in the 1980's and early 1990's, but today that kind of proper staff selection is
IMPOSSIBLE! I don't even think the management/operations mindset needed for proper staffing fulfillment even exists anymore in America, but that's
a different topic all together.
Also I still don't get the overall selection process, wouldn't an experienced medical doctor, engineer, pilot/navigator and biologist be the BARE
minimum part of the crew? Does every "approved" applicant so far have these academic backgrounds or combinations of? I've always been under the
impression that Astronaut/Cosmonaut selection is difficult because you need to find people who are BOTH smart enough to be a
doctor/MD/engineer/programmer/pilot AND also at the same time, be mentally tough enough to comfortably live like a "less-intelligent prisoner"
constantly in solitary confinement with no stimulation outside of the confined area. Basically an experienced submariner with an engineering AND
flight/pilot background. Does this kind of person even exist in the general population?
Add in a "popularity" contest via Facebook to ALL of the above and "proper/safe selection" of candidates becomes absolutely impossible
Assuming they only plan on solar power they'd be fine, we know very well the solar flux for different times of the year at different places on Mars.
That's part of what the previous missions were sent there to find. They will have planned for this.
Beyond solar, they could just as well bring along a small nuclear power plant (google SNAP generator).
They'll have tools to fix them. They'll also have redundant systems for key things like life support.
You do know that they just signed a contract with Lockheed-Martin to build a lander right? What do you think that lander is going to do? Take pretty
pictures? No, it's going to characterize the site, probably take along some ground penetrating radar and gamma ray spectrometer to reduce the
likelihood of whoops.
It's like the critics of this mission assume everyone involved is stupid or they haven't thought it out well. I've taken a look at the plan and
like I said, it is fairly well thought out technically.
Who in the world that can fix a nuclear reactor with no proper spare parts AND has prior experience, is also going to volunteer AND then be chosen for
the actual mission via Facebook voting? The very likely, 6-12 months of accelerated "prep training" that these people are going to get won't cut
it. The first mechanical or system failure will result in death of the whole crew otherwise. They will need someone along the lines of a modern
nuclear submarine engineer, combined with the machinist's mate skill set and be able to comprehend software programming relevant to the systems on
the spaceship. Does that combined even exist, let alone add in solar panel engineering knowledge and then make sure you can get it all cross-trained
into just 4 people total? In fact, I'd argue the whole crew of the first 4 people will need to be comprised ENTIRELY of experienced submariners who
have served on nuclear vessels for at least a decade. There is no way to get that kind of astronaut crew via volunteers, vetted by Facebook
On top of all this, I think there are some pretty serious issues here that can't be solved by a private corporation seeking "profits" through
advertisement fees generated by a "reality TV" business model, discounting the obvious unknown issues like radiation, water supply, breathable air,
psychotic episodes, etc. The type of crew THEY NEED is not going to volunteer and/or not be chosen by their Facebook voting process. So then we have
to ask who is left to go? How long and how well will they "be trained" under a "for profit" business model? Will they receive sufficient spare
parts and resupply over the long haul of the project? Who on their "earth ground support team" is going to CONSTANTLY, 24/7, work out technical and
engineering problems with mock ups etc like they did with Apollo, the Space Shuttle and the current Space Station? Do you believe the private
corporations sponsoring this trip will pay this highly technical staff on Earth salaries for YEARS if the mission is successful to keep those 4 people
alive? I personally don't think its possible to be BOTH entertaining enough to draw viewers AND be successful at surviving the Martian wilderness
long term. The minute the ads don't pull in the revenue to justify their resupply and ground support, is the minute these first Mars explorers dies
of some cause related to not being properly resupplied.
I personally think, if push came to shove, the Corporate suits would pull the plug on the them the minute they start losing money and then we would
hear the "sad news" of their "accidental" demise. Also since they are in space, is it legal for the company to maroon then with no support due to
dwindling finances? Would anyone go to jail on earth for their abandonment, manslaughter/murder, due to lack of support/resupply?
I'd certainly bet the viewing public would never see then die on the live TV feed, showing EXACTLY how the mission failed due to suicide, accidental
death, murder, disease, equipment failure, etc. Its something that would get "leaked" years later long after the company leading all this has
folded, filed for bankruptcy and sold or patents/IP to the highest bidder. No matter how you slice it we the viewer will be getting a "Price,
Whitman & Haddad" endgame "basking under the Maui Sun" on broadcast TV, ala the Running Man, but in actuality just rotting/mummified corpses
sitting around an inflatable Mars base. Heck its reality TV, they might try to give them "forced daily tasks" to get their food, water, etc from a
locked resupply crate. I highly doubt they'll be allowed to just sit around all day. That would be a boring "no go" for people buying advertising
in the time slot.We can't even keep low paid workers alive in factories making shoes and electronics, do you think 4 nobody's selected via Facebook
to go to Mars would fare any better?