Teachers need guns, says lawmaker whose son attended school with Colorado shooter

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What gave you the impression I think "nothings wrong and the USA is working' I'm asking for possible solutions.

My bad sorry I miss under stood what you said.


Anyway IM only a Microbiologist not a socialist so Im clueless really to what wrong and how to sort. All I know is that politicans will just screw the situation up even more.

crazyewok

camaro68ss


99% of "mass shottings" are from Mentally unstable people. The “gun” is just the means of inflicting harm. if guns were not Available, I’m sure they would be using knifes or other means to inflict harm on others

edit on 8-1-2014 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

DING DING DING

Secound prize to the person who cant read!

Did you just read that I was from the UK and though I said ban guns?

WELL THAT NOT WHAT I DAMED WELL SAID!

At no point have I said ban guns? No point have I said guns were the problem behind mass shootings! (though they will inflict more damage than a knife).

No what I have said is there is a PROBLEM. That problem may be as you said due to a higher amount of mental illness.

BUT AT NO POINT DID I DAMED WELL SAY BAN GUNS!

edit on 8-1-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

I never said you said ban guns. lol you pointed Out politicians would do the easiest thing and either ban guns or pass out guns to teachers. I was just pointing out unstable people will find the means to inflect harm on people with or without a gun. I accept your apology

reply to post by camaro68ss


Ok retracted.

Im just used to haveing people put words in my mouth about guns just because Im from the UK.

"The NRA was right" and "only you can save your own life" are looking to be themes for 2014:

Almost half of the active shootings are over before additional help can arrive, the study said, and potential victims actually stopped the attacker in 17 such cases.

“This tells us that citizens and bystanders have a very real and active role in stopping these events,” Terry Nichols, a former police officer and an assistance director at ALERRT, told Yahoo News. “If we can properly prepare and educate civilians, maybe we can get to where 90 percent are stopped by civilians long before the police arrive.”

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The report is being published in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin next week.

Who'da thought that stopping your attacker at the start of the attack was a better option than hiding under a desk and begging for your life?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


under normal conditions and in those places where they do not have officers on site I agree completely...
but not in this case....

80 seconds..

reply to post by HardCorps


Because these mentally ill tarts will think twice about packing a gun to light up the librarian, or that one student. They happen because they're gunfree zones and it takes minutes for responders to stop them before they reach a mass murderers climax and suicides.

You won't see any of these kids firing on your local police station, will you? No. Just as no robber is going to case & rob my neighbors house, because awaiting there is an additional facehole.

Create a "fish in a barrel" environment, and the first person to snap and lose his/her s*** will be coming your way. The way they see it, "kill as many as possible before thyself", but ill take a potshot that some wish it was "kill thyself before everyone else"

Btw. I don't own a firearm.

If the teachers have been psyched and trained and regularly checked then its probably not too bad but congratulations you have a degree in education please collect your .45 along with your degree certificate then its probably a recipe for disaster, teachings a stressful enough job without having to teach 30 kids a lesson while ensuring you are always ready at the slightest drop of a hat to go into rambo mode and while i'm theres people who can handle it i doubt many teacher sign up expecting to blow their students brains away.

One aspect of most of these shooter's lives is their involvement with antidepressant and/or antipsychotic drugs. You will rarely hear on the news a correlation between the shooter and these drugs, and in almost all cases, the shooters have been prescribed and are using them, probably incorrectly. It's as if pointing out a link between these behaviors and these drugs is off limits to journalism.

Why would that be?

reply to post by HardCorps


Wow, I can't believe this is even being discussed. I'm sure most of us have read this thread, Don't Call the Cops. Can anyone imagine if we put guns in the hands of teachers? It might not start immediately, but they would abuse their "carrying" power. I would speculate that we'd start to see more school shootings, meaning a teacher shot a student over something not life threatening. Also, how difficult would it be for a few students to jump a teacher and steal the gun...with the element of surprise, not difficult at all. Teachers are not, how do you say, combat trained.

p.s I am not anti-gun. I own several. But this...is ridiculous.

HardCorps
Story on Fox news

“I don't want my wife and kids to be sitting ducks,” Harvey told FoxNews.com. He said his own son was on the debate team with Pierson, who took his own life as the two staff members, including school resource officer James Englert, who was armed, and Rod Mauler, an unarmed school security guard and retired deputy, closed in on him.

Harvey has introduced a bill to allow school districts in Colorado to let teachers carry guns. He sponsored the bill prior to the shooting, but says that the tragedy cements the measure's importance.

“It validated why I think an armed person in the school is a good thing,” Harvey told FoxNews.com.

Okay before we debate the merits of arming teachers... lets take a close look at this next line from this article...

Pierson's 80-second attack started after....

Did you catch that part...80 seconds...not quite a full minute and a half and it was done and over...
Arapahoe has an armed officer onsite... not just for this reason but their there and at many schools across the country... His being there stopped this kid from turning his high school into another Columbine... cool the guy did his job, he deserves a raise and all the kudos his department has to offer....and the powers that be who put him there were on the ball, for once...

With that said and done... let me now say I think any adult who wants to apply for train and carry a concealed weapon should be allowed too...If a teacher should happen to have one... cool beans, I say let them carry at work...

But this guy...Republican state Sen. Ted Harvey wife said "armed teachers at Arapahoe High School might have been able to act even more quickly!" and that statement bugs me...

It just gives me this disturbing image of my little gray haired second grade teacher sporting a tactical vest wielding an M4 set to rock-n-roll and performing a clear and sweep through the library...Might want to give the janitors a SAW to provide cover fire while your at it?

Look I'm all for letting teachers carry if they want too... As far as I can see they did what they should have... locked themselves and their students, in their rooms and let those professional trained to do so... deal with it... which is exactly what happened and it all happened in less than one and a half minutes... 80 seconds...

Don't we put enough pressure on our underpaid teachers.... to dump this on them too...

"Class, line up class... today we'll be going on a Long-range reconnaissance patrol to the museum... Has everyone picked a battle buddy... wonderful, now please board the APC in an orderly manner... Sally do you mind manning the MA duce honey?... let go people lets go!"

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I have a friend who is a retired USMC officer. HE is a principle at a high school now. He can CCW pretty much anywhere except at his work. How does that make sense that a decorated officer, combat vet, with a license to CCW, can't carry at work?

crazyewok
Sorry but when teacher needs to be a armed profession something is terribly rotten in your country.



Im not saing gun owner ship is bad ect But what I am saying there is some major social problem in the USA thats causing your mass shootings. Now seeing as other countrys have lax gun laws without the same troubles Im guessing its something else.

edit on 8-1-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

I would agree with you. Other countries with (you say lax, I say correct) gun laws don't have these problems. Although school shootings have happened in many countries, we might have a bit more...although that may be a reflection of the large population. Regardless, there is something wrong in the society when these things happen. It seems to be consistently overmedicated, mentally disturbed, young men with problems that are soundly ignored.

I have no problem with a teacher that wants to "discretely" carry a concealed handgun on campus and is TRAINED to deal with a armed intruder. If a teacher wants to go through the additional training required to deal with this type of scenario then GREAT! The fact is the school my kids attend and my wife works for has 1 SRO assigned to the district. We are a small 3A school in East Texas. The town has 3 high schools and we are the smallest. The SRO is great and I know him personally. The problem I have is we have a Primary campus, Intermediate campus, JH campus and HS campus. The campuses are all within 1 mile of each other but we still only have 1 SRO on duty. When he is not at school due to training or he has to testify in court or whatever then we have NO ONE on site to deal with an emergency. We can't afford to pay for a SRO for each campus and the other 2 districts in my town also have 1 SRO assigned to their districts as well. What happens if we have a madman on campus and no one is on site or the SRO is on another campus? How many kids/adults are at risk until someone comes to help? How long does it take to kill a class of kids or a cafeteria full of kids? I don't know the answer to those questions BUT as a sane citizen of my community I would welcome any teacher that wanted to carry on campus AND met whatever additional training needed to take place. I don't need to know who they are, I just need to know that whatever training is needed has taken place. As crazy and insane as these people are who kill kids at school are, it seems crazier to me to have a campus full of kids with potentially no protection other than "shelter in place and lock the door". The people that kill at school are mentally unstable without a doubt and choose to carry out their insane behavior at schools because they know its an easy target, its that simple.

You can agree or disagree with me and I don't really care either way. The problem is mental illness, not more gun control. Look at Chicago, they have very strict laws and people are dying every single day! Criminals know they have a city full of people not allowed to defend themselves so how is all that gun control working for ya up there? Not very good.......

The United States has a mental health crisis going on, NOT a gun control problem. My country has turned a blind eye to mental health needs for many years, that is where the problem is in my opinion. Agree or disagree, its the truth....

reply to post by NavyDoc


It doesn't make sense ... your friend is a marvelous resource to have in a school environment.
At my daughter's school were equally lucky have a former Navy Medic on staff...
Anyone who runs with us crazy jarheads is a person to be respected and admired...and watched closely since their normally just as fricken nuts as I am...

Your friend has the training and the CCW the school board is remiss in their duties to their charges by not allowing him to carry...

reply to post by BugOut


My little brother has Asperger's...It's like the mildest form of autism...

He does okay for himself as a CAD/CAM op... has no problem living on his own....now

but he too is one those millions out there who never had the option for treatment and when it was there it was provided by people who had not a clue when it came to treatment for him. Nowadays thanks to budget cuts he's %100 on his own

it wasn't always easy for my parents, myself and my sister... Remember too he wasn't that bad off... but I can see where someone who is bad... and doesn't have help or family...

oh man that's just asking for trouble

Here's a Progressive, Liberal solution let's just post TSA outside of all schools and let them pat everyone down before entering. I mean the TSA has no problems with feeling up little kids at the airports, and the teachers are mostly Liberal so instead of putting a gun in a lefty's hand let's let them feel the hand that their big government (which they want) produces touch them daily on the way into work. Everyone wins! Of course African American students are exempt per Eric Holder.

reply to post by HardCorps


No. I had some crazy teachers. I wouldn't be able to get any learning done for the fear of her snapping one day. We gave some teachers hell. We may not have if they were strapped, but I don't know if that would be a good thing. It sounds like another oppressive regime to me. If every single person in the world were allowed to carry a gun whenever and whereever, the powers would be balanced, and I think it would work out. But giving power to the few seems like what America should not stand for.