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Woman's Death Linked to Alternative Cancer Treatment

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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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rickymouse
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I actually know a lot about cancer and especially the way the drugs they treat cancer with work. You don't need a degree in Pharmaceuticals and medicine to research how these things work. You do not need to be a certified herbalist to study herbs.

You do need to spend years researching these things and half your days trying to apply the information to how the body works. I have studied more in the last six years than I ever studied or sat in a class in college and high school combined. Learning how everything works is not a simple task. I chose a field where I will have to be studying the rest of my life without ever being able to call myself an expert. Unearthing what is not told to us is not easy. Even the doctors do not usually understand how and why the Pharma companies create their drugs.

I have a better chance of surviving cancer than most people. I look at surviving as not having a screwed up immune system or missing parts after the cancer is gone. I do not look at food in the grocery store as others do. I look at it as medicines and toxins. Medicines are actually toxic most times if taken at the wrong dose or when not needed. This applies to food also.
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If you know as much about cancer as you say you do about other medical issues then I would suggest that you probably don't know anywhere near as much as you'd like to think you do.
You keep making statements like this and you may have read a fair bit but your actual comprehension of physiological processes leaves a lot to be desired.
Please stop pretending you're an expert when you're anything but.




posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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MysterX
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OP, if you or anyone else reading, is shocked in the slightest at this story, I suggest you research how many people are killed by Chemo, you'd probably have a fit.

People die, especially those with Cancers.


And you could do yourself a favour by researching exactly how many people are saved by chaemo.
Your belief system would have a fit.

What you also have to take into account (or conveniently omit...) is the fact that deaths whilst people are having chaemo are pretty much confined to those who are very sick with their cancers anyway.
Why don't you "do your research" and find out exactly how many die on chaemo who don't fit into that bracket?
Or maybe not as it would destroy your belief completely.

The main difference with real treatment as opposed to fake treatment is that real treatment is testable and will give you a proper idea of how successful it will be.
Fake treatment tends to promise the Earth but deliver nothing.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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Pardon?

MysterX
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OP, if you or anyone else reading, is shocked in the slightest at this story, I suggest you research how many people are killed by Chemo, you'd probably have a fit.

People die, especially those with Cancers.


And you could do yourself a favour by researching exactly how many people are saved by chaemo.
Your belief system would have a fit.

What you also have to take into account (or conveniently omit...) is the fact that deaths whilst people are having chaemo are pretty much confined to those who are very sick with their cancers anyway.
Why don't you "do your research" and find out exactly how many die on chaemo who don't fit into that bracket?
Or maybe not as it would destroy your belief completely.

The main difference with real treatment as opposed to fake treatment is that real treatment is testable and will give you a proper idea of how successful it will be.
Fake treatment tends to promise the Earth but deliver nothing.



I sat in hospital for 7 months and everyone that came in for chemo, left ill or in a body bag..... its poison !!!!



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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While a sad story and perhaps, unnecessary death, still the thing that gets me from the article is, that while anybody that die as a result of alternative medicine that actually are not many, makes the news, the hundred of thousands that die every year from complications of medications and medical treatments are never unheard off, unless the families make enough noise to be heard.

But everybody with their own agendas as usual.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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I just want to say that many of the women who were being treated when I was, ate organic and healthy foods, led a healthy lifestyle and did everything right. They were shocked that they had cancer. Cancer can happen to anyone at any time. It is essential that you get treatment as quickly as possible.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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I can handle my own.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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Night Star
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I just want to say that many of the women who were being treated when I was, ate organic and healthy foods, led a healthy lifestyle and did everything right. They were shocked that they had cancer. Cancer can happen to anyone at any time. It is essential that you get treatment as quickly as possible.



It is very complicated. Although eating organic is better for a person to keep some things from happening, diet is only a part of the problem. Eating organic will possibly lessen the occurrence but not for everyone.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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I have.

And i refer you to the Op (edit; apologies, not the OP..but nofear) who's actually lived it and is speaking from personal experience.

There are MANY people who have had their family members essentially killed by the toxic poison that is chemo.

That is exactly what it is...toxic poison, and that is a statement of fact, not belief or predudiced opinion, that is the nature of 'the medicine'.

It destroys ALL cells...mutated and healthy and those that survive the process, often refuse to have to endure it again if their cancer returns, it is THAT bad.

Incidentally, you might want to look into how many deaths and injuries occur as a result of everyday pharmaceuticals Vs those that use alternative, non-pharma offerings.

The last time i looked at the stats, approximately 3 Million people globally are killed by Pharmaceutical drugs EACH year...while the medical industry, and yes, the pharmaceutical industry DO help to save many, many more lives, 3 Million deaths as a direct result of pharmaceutical drugs makes for sober contemplation...does it not?

While lives are indeed undeniably helped and also saved by the use of pharmaceuticals, it would be pretty dire for the industry and business model, given the huge numbers who are helped into a grave, if they didn't.

Alternatives have their place in healing and they of course have their risks, the difference is they are not in any way supportive of the industry, so when a tragic happenstance occurs, people supportive of the industrial drugs market makes capitol out of the tragedy, while ignoring that same industries millions of tragedies...i find that tragic in and of itself.






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posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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That is exactly what it is...toxic poison, and that is a statement of fact, not belief or predudiced opinion, that is the nature of 'the medicine'
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It is also a fact that many people who have had chemo and radiation go on for twenty and thirty years without their cancer returning. You have to take into consideration how many people refuse regular checkups and by the time they have cancer it is in an advanced form and nothing can be done. Wether traditional or alternative medicine is used in those cases won't matter.

No one is immune to getting cancer. It is a chance you take for getting healed no matter which option you choose for treatment.

I always said that I would choose an alternative treatment if I ever got cancer, but when I was sitting there actually diagnosed with an aggressive cancer, I didn't feel safe with some new alternative method. I knew people whos lives were saved and they were still alive 20 and 30 years later after traditional treatments and that is what I chose.

Not all doctors are in it for the money. My doctors were concerned not only with my physical well being, but mentally and emotionally throughout the entire ordeal.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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Ironic how they don't mention the percentage of cancer deaths are linked to the cancer 'treatment' because the answer is damn near 100% of deaths attributed to cancer are actually caused by the 'treatment' not the cancer itself.

This is only being published because the person did not give the medical establishment what they felt was its cut.

As for breast cancer itself there is a very strong but buried evidence that wearing western style bras causes most breast cancers. (Look up the incidence of cancer in bra wearing societies to those that do not, the numbers alone are pretty damning.



posted on Jan, 8 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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I agree with all you say, but there has got to be a bit more here than meets the eye, this guy isn't going to make a red cent out of a product that can be bought cheaply in any spice isle. Other people are trying it and reporting back. I have taken the stuff everyday, usually
smeared into the butter on a sandwich to take the sting out. Just as a precaution. The Spices when used in greater quantities than for simple flavouring have marked and interesting medical effects. They are not a magic pill as such as it takes a few days for the cumulative effect to show. Besides Cayenne, root ginger has been tested and to be found as good as Iboprophen I take about a cubic inch a day and my back pain disappeared. You have to ask why in ancient times was it worth its weight in gold. But I digress! www.cancerforums.net...



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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VforVendettea
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Ironic how they don't mention the percentage of cancer deaths are linked to the cancer 'treatment' because the answer is damn near 100% of deaths attributed to cancer are actually caused by the 'treatment' not the cancer itself.

This is only being published because the person did not give the medical establishment what they felt was its cut.

As for breast cancer itself there is a very strong but buried evidence that wearing western style bras causes most breast cancers. (Look up the incidence of cancer in bra wearing societies to those that do not, the numbers alone are pretty damning.


No, what you'll find is that 100% of the patients who were on chaemo have had cancer and died. The chaemo may or may not have contributed to their deaths.
All cancers are not treated with chaemo so there's a huge flaw in your statement.

And really, bras cause breast cancer?
Really?
breastcancer.about.com...



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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MysterX
reply to post by Pardon?
 


I have.

And i refer you to the Op (edit; apologies, not the OP..but nofear) who's actually lived it and is speaking from personal experience.

There are MANY people who have had their family members essentially killed by the toxic poison that is chemo.

That is exactly what it is...toxic poison, and that is a statement of fact, not belief or predudiced opinion, that is the nature of 'the medicine'.

It destroys ALL cells...mutated and healthy and those that survive the process, often refuse to have to endure it again if their cancer returns, it is THAT bad.

Incidentally, you might want to look into how many deaths and injuries occur as a result of everyday pharmaceuticals Vs those that use alternative, non-pharma offerings.

The last time i looked at the stats, approximately 3 Million people globally are killed by Pharmaceutical drugs EACH year...while the medical industry, and yes, the pharmaceutical industry DO help to save many, many more lives, 3 Million deaths as a direct result of pharmaceutical drugs makes for sober contemplation...does it not?

While lives are indeed undeniably helped and also saved by the use of pharmaceuticals, it would be pretty dire for the industry and business model, given the huge numbers who are helped into a grave, if they didn't.

Alternatives have their place in healing and they of course have their risks, the difference is they are not in any way supportive of the industry, so when a tragic happenstance occurs, people supportive of the industrial drugs market makes capitol out of the tragedy, while ignoring that same industries millions of tragedies...i find that tragic in and of itself.

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WIth the greatest of respect to NoFear, what he writes is anecdotal and is more than likely subject to confirmation bias.
He's had previous therapy and I would be amazed if it wasn't this which was putting him in remission.

Chaemo is indeed horrific but what it's treating is far worse and at the moment, that along with rad and surgery are the only options which have success that can be reproduced.

As for pharmaceuticals killing people, I would suggest that it's the misuse of the pharmaceuticals which is doing the damage.

As for non-pharma offerings not causing any damage, I beg to differ.
whatstheharm.net...



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 03:23 AM
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anonentity
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I agree with all you say, but there has got to be a bit more here than meets the eye, this guy isn't going to make a red cent out of a product that can be bought cheaply in any spice isle. Other people are trying it and reporting back. I have taken the stuff everyday, usually
smeared into the butter on a sandwich to take the sting out. Just as a precaution. The Spices when used in greater quantities than for simple flavouring have marked and interesting medical effects. They are not a magic pill as such as it takes a few days for the cumulative effect to show. Besides Cayenne, root ginger has been tested and to be found as good as Iboprophen I take about a cubic inch a day and my back pain disappeared. You have to ask why in ancient times was it worth its weight in gold. But I digress! www.cancerforums.net...


Nope there hasn't got to be more than it.
Have a look at confirmation bias.
And there are plenty of people making a good living on selling books and web space promoting nonsense.
Capsaicin has been tested quite thoroughly and it does have some mild anti-cancer properties in the lab but at the same time it has been found to have carcinogenic properties too, especially in the upper G.I. tract.
So whilst some substances show initial promise, most don't make it to the next stage.



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 05:24 AM
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I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...
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posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 05:41 AM
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So sorry to read about your condition.
I haven't read the whole of the thread so I apologise if this has already been mentioned, but have you looked into Essiac. Just put it into your search engine, loads of articles etc about it.

There was a little girl in Aberdeen, Scotland, who had a very rare, and incurable form of nerve cancer. Her parents agreed to the chemo treatment, but also found Essiac. By her 4th chemo treatment the specialist had a problem, the cancer had completely gone. The chemo in her case was to try and stop the cancer spreading. The parents had to 'come clean' so to speak and told him what they had been giving their little girl. He apparently started looking into it more. I understood at the time that the course of chemo had to be continued as it would be dangerous to stop. I don't know how true this is or whether it applies today. This was 20 years ago and as far as I know, that little girl is fit and healthy today.

I know Essiac would be my alternative medication of choice.
Hope this helps
Rainbows to you
Jane



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 06:37 AM
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here is a link




www.healthfreedom.info...
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posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...
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But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 07:02 AM
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Pardon?

nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...
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But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.







I understand what you are saying,if the tumours didnt appear so long after the chemo i'd agree but they appeared 12 months later ... I can't say 100% that it was what i took, until the is more research into it i will never know ... but i believe it worked for me



posted on Jan, 9 2014 @ 07:25 AM
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nofear39

Pardon?

nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...
edit on 9-1-2014 by nofear39 because: (no reason given)


But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.







I understand what you are saying,if the tumours didnt appear so long after the chemo i'd agree but they appeared 12 months later ... I can't say 100% that it was what i took, until the is more research into it i will never know ... but i believe it worked for me


Good luck to you.

Here's a thought.
Go back to Christie's and speak with your oncologist about what you've done and see what he (she?) says.
Knowing a few people there they seem to be very patient-centric and if the oncologist agrees that what you took did the job I'm sure he'll be more than willing to write it up as a case-study.
That way your story could be published in scientific journals and carry far more gravitas than if just written on a conspiracy website.
It could also lead to further research being done into mebendazole.

However, looking at your post again, I still think the conventional treatment did the trick. For now anyway.
One thing to remember is that quite often chaemo is used with surgery as a double-whammy. The surgery rids you of the tumours and the chaemo stops them from re-appearing. Cancer cells can lie dormant for years so as I said, make sure you keep your next appointment with the onc (if you have one) and let them give you a thorough going over.
The good thing is that all this won't cost you a penny so take full advantage of their expertise, it's a very good hospital.



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