reply to post by robhines
Yes, but that never will come to fruition because too much power is centralize by government. Those that control the government will take advatage of
the benefits and from socialism eventually communism and fascism will rise, it will only take time.
In theory it sound fairlytalelike and great, but in practice it will not work because man is inherently evil.
I rather have a not so perfect Capitalist system then live under a tyrannical government.
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Not sure where to start with this!
OK, firstly, nothing is centralized by governments if people lose faith in them, they'll simply lose power unless they resort to fascism, which is
basically what they already do, so saying socialism will result in that makes a lot less sense really, because it's already a problem and has been for
decades. In a real socialist country you'd not have governments taking advantage, because the workers would have the deciding say over the means of
production, which means that no production would be done unless they agreed to it. So what it's really about in that respect is the majority of people
taking back the power that they should already have : the power to decide what a government actually does. After all, a government is supposed to
the people, not lord things over them and do the opposite of what they want.
When it comes to fairytales and man being inherently evil, well for a start if you believe man is inherently evil then there's no real solution apart
from damage limitation, so I can't personally go along with that at all. I think man is conditioned personally, and once that conditioning is removed,
then things will return to a natural balance, and we'll see that we're not inherently evil at all. As for fairytales, they're only fairytales if
collectively we lose the will to push to make it work. Even in this case, it does no good to not understand the central point of what socialism
actually is and make out like it's about the state controlling everything, because it isn't. The workers have the means of production in true
socialism, that wipes away boardrooms of powerhungry and greedy individuals and returns things to the situation where the workers decide what happens
with the results of whatever is produced. (goodbye Wall Street and City of London casino houses for a start.)
As for the final point, most of the world is under the control of tyrannical governments already. It's just that in some countries you have outright
in your face fascism, and in other countries, smiley faced fascism disguised as democracy. Whatever the outcome is, we have a long way to go as a
species to restore some type of balance, because it's clearly a huge mess at the moment, and capitalism, or to describe the current situation better,
crony capitalism, simply does not work properly for anyone but the small percentage of people who are currently in control.
edit on 11-1-2014
by robhines because: typo