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Local lawmakers lead push for prayer in schools bill

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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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beezzer

My friend, the government certainly does say when or where with almost anything else.


So the last thing you need is them telling you one more thing right?




posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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So it's okay to take time for the things YOU believe in, but not okay to take the time for the things you don't believe in.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Just to further this Beezzer, I actually support the rights of parents to keep their kids out of these classes. It's their kids and I respect that. Heck if you want an alternative "abstinence only" class, I'm fine with that as well. I highly doubt however whether it will gain any attendance at any of these schools let alone nothing of value or use being taught.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Kali74
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It's taught as part of health class, sexual health is part of your health isn't it?
Your comparison is inapt.


You're stretching.

But that's okay. YOU believe in it, so it should be taught.

Just don't teach the things you don't believe in.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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neo96

ketsuko
And what's wrong with letting kids who want to pray in school?


Because the only religion that should be taught in school is the following:

1. The church of climatology-global warming.
2. Guns kill people.
3. Government is mother and father.

Anything else of course is totally 'unacceptable'.


Oh my God...

Those are only taught in the schools in your head. Get a grip lol.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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Southern Guardian
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Just to further this Beezzer, I actually support the rights of parents to keep their kids out of these classes. It's their kids and I respect that. Heck if you want an alternative "abstinence only" class, I'm fine with that as well. I highly doubt however whether it will gain any attendance at any of these schools let alone nothing of value or use being taught.


To be honest, this is nothing more than an exercise in debate, because my wife and I home-school.

The public school system stinks. I'm just for anything that can be counted as positive.

I don't see the negatives that you all do.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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Where are you failing to see the difference between teaching something and sitting there doing nothing for a period of time? Teaching birth control is TEACHING. The children are actually learning something. It may be something you disagree with, but at least they are learning something new. I can sit at my home, do nothing, and accomplish everything that this reflection period is doing.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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beezzer
So it's okay to take time for the things YOU believe in, but not okay to take the time for the things you don't believe in.


You didn't answer my question Beezzer? What are you going to teach in these abstinence classes? And do you expect these kids to listen? (also check my previous post, I actually support alternative abstinence classes even though I find them absolutely pointless so I respect your belief in this).

Teaching kids about sex, good and bad sides to it (like diseases) in my opinion has little to do with merely belief, it is an important part to the learning process of kids.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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Thankfully kids these days have the internet.

Abstinence only classes are completely useless and the fully comprehensive ones aren't much better. The best tool teens have these days is the internet.

For instance, I'm a lesbian...so back in the day I had a girlfriend who went through one of those classes, not very useful. We can't get married so the whole no sex before marriage lesson is a completely useless allocation of classroom time for teh gays.

In general they are a complete waste of time and most of the people teaching them don't even know what they are speaking of. In the one she attended the guy teaching the class taught all the kids that HIV passed through condoms 100% of the time.

LOL.

Goodness.

Public schools are a mess. Moments of silence is the least of the worries.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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Kali74

neo96

ketsuko
And what's wrong with letting kids who want to pray in school?


Because the only religion that should be taught in school is the following:

1. The church of climatology-global warming.
2. Guns kill people.
3. Government is mother and father.

Anything else of course is totally 'unacceptable'.


Oh my God...

Those are only taught in the schools in your head. Get a grip lol.


I absolutely agree some people need to get an effing grip.

When abstinence and religion have become dirty words.

This thread deserves a dose of paul harvey:





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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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Neither of those words are dirty...
to anyone.

Stop telling 'others' what their narrative is.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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Religion has no place in public schools, so in regards to a public education religions is certainly a dirty word. That is unless the word religion is being used to help teach the history of a certain religion during a history class or something.

ETA: If you think religion is fine in school, you should be ok with a Muslim preaching his religion, followed by a Wiccan, then a Buddhist, then maybe we can make room for a Christian (I mean kids are exposed to that religion all the time, we should give priority to the ones they aren't as familiar with)

Abstinence is just stupid. Anyone who fully believes that teaching a child to be abstinent as a form of birth control has forgotten their own teenage years.
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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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Krazysh0t
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Where are you failing to see the difference between teaching something and sitting there doing nothing for a period of time? Teaching birth control is TEACHING. The children are actually learning something. It may be something you disagree with, but at least they are learning something new. I can sit at my home, do nothing, and accomplish everything that this reflection period is doing.


Prayer, quiet reflection also is teaching something.

A million buddhists can't be wrong.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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Southern Guardian
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beezzer
So it's okay to take time for the things YOU believe in, but not okay to take the time for the things you don't believe in.


You didn't answer my question Beezzer? What are you going to teach in these abstinence classes? And do you expect these kids to listen? (also check my previous post, I actually support alternative abstinence classes even though I find them absolutely pointless so I respect your belief in this).

Teaching kids about sex, good and bad sides to it (like diseases) in my opinion has little to do with merely belief, it is an important part to the learning process of kids.


The same as expecting kids to listen in classes that teach history, trig, calculus, English lit.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Narative ?

How bout the facts of the current states of dysfunctional America ?

When all things Christian get attacked on a daily basis.

And nary a word about foot baths in schools across this country pandering to another religion we all know so well.

How about ending the GD double standard in this country?



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:07 PM
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beezzer

Krazysh0t
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Where are you failing to see the difference between teaching something and sitting there doing nothing for a period of time? Teaching birth control is TEACHING. The children are actually learning something. It may be something you disagree with, but at least they are learning something new. I can sit at my home, do nothing, and accomplish everything that this reflection period is doing.


Prayer, quiet reflection also is teaching something.

A million buddhists can't be wrong.


No, it doesn't. I don't know about you, but I've never spontaneously learned something new by doing nothing for a short period of time.

Buddhism is a religion... We are back to the religious debate again...



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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Pics or it didn't happen.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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Abstinence is just stupid. Anyone who fully believes that teaching a child to be abstinent as a form of birth control has forgotten their own teenage years.


Obviously when we have the US government forcing nuns to by big corporation products, and pharmacueticals.


Clearly 'abstinece' is 'stupid' someone else will pay for people to screw around.

Just makes the US government the worlds biggest pimp.
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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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What in the world are you talking about? Last I checked, Christianity is STILL the majority religion in this country. Neither atheism, Muslim, Buddhism, or any other ism has taken over this place or is even coming close to dethroning Christianity. The reason Christianity seems to be under attack constantly by other religious groups (or atheists) is because Christianity is the religion that is in everyone's face all the time. It is just the facts. If there are 7 things in the public promoting Christianity and only 2 promoting Judaism, you are going to notice it a lot more when one of those 7 Christian things are called out. They are more noticable after all. Stop propagating the unbelievable myth that there is some sort of assault on Christianity, because it isn't even close to true.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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Beezzer. These abstinence classes. What are kid going to learn in them? And do you expect these teenagers to listen. Remember that in sex education kids are actually learning something. They are learning about the diseases that come with it, these are learning about protection, about the consequences. What are kids, teenagers, going to learn in abstinence classes hmm? What are kids going to learn in a minute of "silence" for prayer? Please let me know.




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