Here's your PROOF!!!

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

That is all fine and dandy -- and maybe there is something to this, but does he offer any evidence as to how specifically the nanotech is being used in weather modification, and how that specifically relates to chemtrails?

Actually I am scared to ask, because who knows what you will get.

luxordelphi
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

S&F. Operation POPEYE was a secret weaponized weather program that has been disclosed. I think there are still some secrets there. The military operated out of a base in Thailand. The King of Thailand holds many of the cloud seeding patents. They were, in some way, almost a gift to him from the U.S. Over there, in Thailand, cloud seeding is called Royal Rainmaking.

In more recent times, there have been some disasters stemming from Royal Rainmaking. Some other countries, like Australia, have also created a disaster or two using the same techniques.

.........On the seeding issue. There are a number of studies/geo-engineering proposals that talk about seeding cirrus and seeding proper conditions to create cirrus. This is some of what jet emissions do as well. Our governments and military, imo, are using our atmosphere as a giant chemistry lab. They've been taking the natural processes that they know about, altering them and then altering them again to make up for the problems the first alteration created. And it's just endless as we can see from the chemtrail filled skies.

Care to quote references?

Cloud seeding does occur in SE Asia - and has been tried in Australia. But I've not heard of any 'disasters' resulting from it (unlikely IMO given that it has almos zero effect on rainfall).

And I'm not sure how (or why) you would seed cirrus to create cirrus? You seed clouds to make it rain or snow. Why would you seed a cloud that cannot produce rain or snow? Or are you talking about creating artificial cirrus (which is not cloud seeding) - something we inadvertently do with aircraft and are looking at ways of preventing.

FYI there's a photo of the apparatus fixed to a C-130 used for Operation Popeye in this OpSecNews page - it is pretty obvious when it is fitted, just like modern cloud seeding fittings.

Also I note that Operation Popeye only managed to be secret until 1971 - despite using only 5 aircraft from a single USAF squadron in wartime - how "chemtrails" have ben kept so completely secret for 15 years of more of world wide deployment must be an incredible story.....

AndyMayhew

luxordelphi
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

S&F. Operation POPEYE was a secret weaponized weather program that has been disclosed. I think there are still some secrets there. The military operated out of a base in Thailand. The King of Thailand holds many of the cloud seeding patents. They were, in some way, almost a gift to him from the U.S. Over there, in Thailand, cloud seeding is called Royal Rainmaking.

In more recent times, there have been some disasters stemming from Royal Rainmaking. Some other countries, like Australia, have also created a disaster or two using the same techniques.

.........On the seeding issue. There are a number of studies/geo-engineering proposals that talk about seeding cirrus and seeding proper conditions to create cirrus. This is some of what jet emissions do as well. Our governments and military, imo, are using our atmosphere as a giant chemistry lab. They've been taking the natural processes that they know about, altering them and then altering them again to make up for the problems the first alteration created. And it's just endless as we can see from the chemtrail filled skies.

Care to quote references?

Cloud seeding does occur in SE Asia - and has been tried in Australia. But I've not heard of any 'disasters' resulting from it (unlikely IMO given that it has almos zero effect on rainfall).

And I'm not sure how (or why) you would seed cirrus to create cirrus? You seed clouds to make it rain or snow. Why would you seed a cloud that cannot produce rain or snow? Or are you talking about creating artificial cirrus (which is not cloud seeding) - something we inadvertently do with aircraft and are looking at ways of preventing.

Here's the ATS thread from sometime back on the Royal Rain.

Thailand Floods - rain-making gone mad???

It has pretty much all the links within it.

A nucleatable particle is a seed. There's plenty available on seeding cirrus/seeding for cirrus. They're mostly geo-engineering proposals or studies using modeling but they're there. The substance of the particle changes but the principles remain somewhat the same - like for fog mitigation.

I'm pressed and don't have time right now to find a more user friendly description but this will get you started:

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

luxordelphi
...I'm pressed and don't have time right now to find a more user friendly description but this will get you started:

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

Yeah, but there is a school of thought out there that thinks that an increase in cirrus clouds may lead to an INCREASE in global warming because of the Greenhouse Effect, so it is not yet clear what the intentional creation of more cirrus clouds would do -- increase or decrease global warming:

Cirrus Clouds and Climate
Note: Link opens directly to a pdf file

luxordelphi
Here's the ATS thread from sometime back on the Royal Rain.

Thailand Floods - rain-making gone mad???

It has pretty much all the links within it.

Indeed - the idea that rainmaking had anything to do with the floods is well debunked in that thread - the Thai rainmaking was in March that year, the floods began the end of July.

In Australia eth "connection" is even weaker - because there actually is no record of any rainmaking happening AT ALL!! there was an agreement to allow it - this was reached in 2009 as per the links in that ATS thread - but in mid 2010 it was reported that it was no longer necessary due to the heavy rain that occured earlier in the year

so that is your claim of a link link between rainmaking and disasters debunked.

And no, the Lynmouth Flood of 1952 wasn't caused by rainmaking either, unless you are going to suggest they were rainmaking 400 years ago -

Similar events had been recorded at Lynmouth in 1607 and 1796.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Can't you do just a little research??

That would be asking way too much of a generation used to being spoon-fed their "information, and who get the majority of their "news" from Comedy Central and YouTube.
Un-critical thinking and knee-jerk conclusions are par for the course; here and elsewhere.
Equating silver-iodide with barium and aluminum illustrated a complete ignorance of reality and the presence of "chemicals" in the environment.
The OP is likely to be frightened of the presence of silicon dioxide in the soil and dihydrogen oxide all around us.

Basis competence and research abilities should be a prerequisite for posting in this forum, or many others..

And to he OP - congratulations - you have "proved" that cloud seeding exists.

Something which:
1/ is not secret
2/ is not done from airliners
3/ is not done in clear skies
4/ does not leave trails that expand out into clouds
5/ does not leave persistent trails
6/ does not look anything like contrails in the first place.

All of which place you in the "shill" and "cover-up" family of "deniers" of the fear-mongering ignorants' conspiracy du jour.

The fact that men have been attempting to alter their environment, including local weather, for thousands of years
is "proof" enough that we must be doing it to harm others, instead of trying to improve our circumstances.

Why isn't there a "Luddite" forum, when it has so many obvious contributors just waiting to jump in and "contribute?"

Soylent Green Is People

luxordelphi
...I'm pressed and don't have time right now to find a more user friendly description but this will get you started:

Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming

Yeah, but there is a school of thought out there that thinks that an increase in cirrus clouds may lead to an INCREASE in global warming because of the Greenhouse Effect, so it is not yet clear what the intentional creation of more cirrus clouds would do -- increase or decrease global warming:

Cirrus Clouds and Climate
Note: Link opens directly to a pdf file

edit on 1/6/2014 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Essentially, what they're saying in that study is that if the natural dominant homogenous nucleation process for cirrus can be altered to a heterogenous process, creating larger ice crystals...these will then fall and eureka! eliminate cirrus.

More recent studies (I did a thread on one) show the success of this operation...success insofar as changing the process from homogenous to heterogenous.

And success as far as leaving behind the evidence for clandestine geo-engineering.

Success in alleviating global warming? I guess.

Success in that if it is stopped now, everything will return to normal within 2 months. I'm thinking no. I'm thinking there were unknowns which are just now coming to bear.

(Had to look back at the OP to see if I was getting off topic. Seems ok.)

reply to post by luxordelphi

I'm just saying science may not know enough about what effect the increase in cirrus clouds may have on global warming. One group of climate specialists may think it will increase reflectivity, thus have an overall cooling effect, while others think it can act as a blanket and trap in more heat under the clouds.

My point is that there are conflicting thoughts on this, and it science may think it is not wise to use it to reduce global warming because it may instead end up increasing it.

Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

I'm just saying science may not know enough about what effect the increase in cirrus clouds may have on global warming. One group of climate specialists may think it will increase reflectivity, thus have an overall cooling effect, while others think it can act as a blanket and trap in more heat under the clouds.

My point is that there are conflicting thoughts on this, and it science may think it is not wise to use it to reduce global warming because it may instead end up increasing it.

Can't argue with your post. Feel the same way. That's why jet emissions creating persistent contrails merging into cirrus are a concern.

Because whether or not you believe that cirrus creates a net warming (current consensus) or that it in some way cools the planet, it is ongoing. With or without sanction or consensus or understanding, jet emissions are creating cirrus on a daily basis.

reply to post by WonderBoi


Interesting post! Last fall we ended up staying overnight in Ridgecrest, CA due to probs with our rental car. That's the town the China Lake station is located in. VERY strange vibes there, to say the least...

luxordelphi
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Because whether or not you believe that cirrus creates a net warming (current consensus) or that it in some way cools the planet, it is ongoing. With or without sanction or consensus or understanding, jet emissions are creating cirrus on a daily basis.

Indeed they are - glad you've finally given up on the chemtrail nonsense and are dealing with facts!

luxordelphi

Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

I'm just saying science may not know enough about what effect the increase in cirrus clouds may have on global warming. One group of climate specialists may think it will increase reflectivity, thus have an overall cooling effect, while others think it can act as a blanket and trap in more heat under the clouds.

My point is that there are conflicting thoughts on this, and it science may think it is not wise to use it to reduce global warming because it may instead end up increasing it.

Can't argue with your post. Feel the same way. That's why jet emissions creating persistent contrails merging into cirrus are a concern.

Because whether or not you believe that cirrus creates a net warming (current consensus) or that it in some way cools the planet, it is ongoing. With or without sanction or consensus or understanding, jet emissions are creating cirrus on a daily basis.

Its going to get worse too air traffic is expected to double by 2025. So all those planes leaving contrails will have an effect on the climate we just dont know which one. I suspect it will make it colder because more of the suns rays will be reflected into space. But i guess we'll see since apparently this isnt a topic that gets scientists grant money. There wont be any serious research done.

luxordelphi

Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

I'm just saying science may not know enough about what effect the increase in cirrus clouds may have on global warming. One group of climate specialists may think it will increase reflectivity, thus have an overall cooling effect, while others think it can act as a blanket and trap in more heat under the clouds.

My point is that there are conflicting thoughts on this, and it science may think it is not wise to use it to reduce global warming because it may instead end up increasing it.

Can't argue with your post. Feel the same way. That's why jet emissions creating persistent contrails merging into cirrus are a concern.

Because whether or not you believe that cirrus creates a net warming (current consensus) or that it in some way cools the planet, it is ongoing. With or without sanction or consensus or understanding, jet emissions are creating cirrus on a daily basis.

I remember as a kid interested in science and aviation back in the 1970s that there was discussion about cirrus clouds made by persistent contrails (due to the proliferation of jet flight from the 1960s onward) creating more cloudy days. However, back then it was simply about "cloudy days", and not really about possible effects on the climate. "Climate Change" was not really a term that was thrown around then, and it seemed that logic would dictate that cloudy days = cooler temperatures, and the whole "greenhouse effect" from these clouds did not seem to get any consideration.

Today, it seems we still don't know what the resultant large-scale climate change (if large scale at all) would be due to persistent contrails creating cirrus clouds.

reply to post by WonderBoi


I commend you search, but now I must ask, what are you going to do about it?

Exposing truth is one thing, but acting on truth is another. It's ok to yell or talk about the truth, however, in the end, what are you going to do about it?

If you want to do something about it, look for the tool that uses Orgone as a source of energy.

reply to post by FreedomCommander
I'm not going to do anything about it, simply because there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. Well, there is ONE THING that we can do to stop it, but we all know: "that's not going to happen."

See, the problem is not "them"; the problem is US!

reply to post by WonderBoi


The problem is more than us, it's us as a nation, less a world, failing to act.

You see, most people here on ATS, fail to act and would love to whine how their "Facts" are better than the worlds Facts. We all get sucked into those holes and they love bringing others down to their level.

Why pity the dishonestly arrogant when you can do all you can to rise above them?

Over 90% of the people here fail to find the solution to this problem because they are too busy looking at the symptom than the problem.

The problem is larger than them and it scares a lot of people. This problem is Agenda 21, the total enslavement of all mankind, weather they like it or not. Linked to one being at the top whose objective is the dominance of every living thing on the planet's surface.

People that realize this, act, and talk little bit. An answer to this is small, but few realize that it's a solution. Wilhelm Reich saw this and did everything in his power to get the information out before being murdered in jail by the FBI.

Others found his work and modified it to suit the needs of the people.

This tool is versatile, whether in the use of war or the use of cloud engineering. I have a design of it and it's basic use is cloud engineering.

The name of it, is the Cloudbuster. A smaller version of it is call a Chembuster.

The cloudbuster has so many applications that if only ~$5000 was spent to build 10 of these, a city can be invulnerable to attacks of any kind.

Do you wonder why?

reply to post by FreedomCommander

The name of it, is the Cloudbuster. A smaller version of it is call a Chembuster.

Ah yes, the old cloud/chembuster, which consists of a bucket some copper tubes and of course that little magic stone orgonite.

So how does this little piece of yard ornament work on something 35,000 ft above your head?

You see that has never been shown, but it has been discussed before and yet nothing can be shown as positive results from one of these, so do you have anything that possibly shows this works because I have heard that vinegar works just as well.

Although I think this method works better...

reply to post by FreedomCommander


You know that even though we disagree, I respect you for actually trying to do something instead of just whining. The fact that you still cling to the chembuster theory makes me think you may have seen results. Is there any way you could video your cloudbuster in action and show how it works? (I am asking seriously because I don't think everything in science has been figured out yet.)

reply to post by network dude


Not mine.