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For the sake of argument, let’s admit that God exists.

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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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Aphorism
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What do you think of Spinoza's account of God (above) Aphorism?


I think he chose his name poorly.

Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?




posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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Aphorism
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This particular thread was an attempt to throw a wrench into end the whole burden of proof nonsense that plagues the God debate. I was trying, but perhaps failing at it, to shift the burden of proof back to the theists to explain exactly what it is outside of the word that they pray for, live for and die for. I've had no good response yet in that regards.

On a side: Like all my threads, I write in the spirit of Diogenes the Cynic.


And what did you learn from your attempt? Besides the whole "dogmatist" thing.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?


I did. I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:18 PM
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Aphorism
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Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?


I did. I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.


What a poetic way to phrase it. I happen to agree.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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Aphorism
I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.

What is he talking about though? Is he only speaking about a word?



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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Itisnowagain

Aphorism
I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.

What is he talking about though? Is he only speaking about a word?


The word would be "Aphorism": A terse saying embodying a general truth, or astute observation. Hes talking about himself as an ego construct extraordiaire is all.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:22 PM
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What is he talking about though? Is he only speaking about a word?


Yes.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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AfterInfinity

Aphorism
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Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?


I did. I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.


What a poetic way to phrase it. I happen to agree.


Poetic? Why if one thinks all accounts of god are lies can you not serve up or invision a better one for our creation points. Its very easy to criticize a system without having an alternate plan (what went wrong, here is my theory).

All accounts of god are lies
As does not exist before mine eyes
Accounts equate as evil resides
Hidden

Perception lost, my host declines
To prove itself at my bidding.
Come forward best one say to me
I exist, will leave in peace
All of my foreboding.



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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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I do not think he was describing a word when he said this:

The world is not God, but it is, in a strong sense, "in" God. Not only do finite things have God as their cause; they cannot be conceived without God.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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From the first page in his book:



VI. By 'God' I mean a being absolutely infinite—that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.


He is speaking about nothing but this definition, which he acquired by the expression of his own mind.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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Aphorism
He is speaking about nothing but this definition, which he acquired by the expression of his own mind.

The definition is a finite thing which cannot appear without God and cannot be conceived without God.
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 05:59 PM
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Which he wrote...in words. Which you write...in words.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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Aphorism
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Which he wrote...in words. Which you write...in words.

Appearing words are finite things that cannot appear without God or be conceived without God.

Do you think you are a finite thing?
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 07:15 PM
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Appearing words are finite things that cannot appear without God or be conceived without God.


There are people, animals, and likely even plants that conceive without God all the time.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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Aphorism
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From the first page in his book:



VI. By 'God' I mean a being absolutely infinite—that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.


He is speaking about nothing but this definition, which he acquired by the expression of his own mind.


And what defines the Absolutums mind? you and I as its aspects/constituants/expressions of itself. You cannot deny this as we are IT particalised and each an individuated consciousness aware; trying to show itself to itself. Without us as subset awareness; IT would have a problem believing in ITself existing at all (this is the whole point).

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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 01:41 AM
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Aphorism
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Appearing words are finite things that cannot appear without God or be conceived without God.


There are people, animals, and likely even plants that conceive without God all the time.

No finite thing can appear or be conceived without God.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 01:43 AM
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The inherent Intelligence of Reality has the property of being able to interpret its radiant energies as patterns, and has the further ability to imagine hypothetical interpretations regarding what these imagined patterns might consist of: e.g. beings, entities, situations, etc.

It can happen that these hypothetical interpretations might include the idea that these patterns actually inherently exist as entities in themselves, that they might be actual independently existing individualities that have coherent identities that persist in time; and are more than just the instantaneous Radiance of Reality, as they actually are.
theopendoorway.org...



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 01:48 AM
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No finite thing can appear or be conceived without God.


Appear to and be conceived by whom?



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 01:52 AM
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Aphorism
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No finite thing can appear or be conceived without God.


Appear to and be conceived by whom?

The thread is all about 'God' being just a word but no word can appear without God.
God is the cause of all finite things - no finite thing can appear without God or be conceived without God.

God is the only substance.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 01:58 AM
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Have you identified yourself as a finite thing?




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