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Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
What do you think of Spinoza's account of God (above) Aphorism?
I think he chose his name poorly.
Aphorism
reply to post by AfterInfinity
This particular thread was an attempt to throw a wrench into end the whole burden of proof nonsense that plagues the God debate. I was trying, but perhaps failing at it, to shift the burden of proof back to the theists to explain exactly what it is outside of the word that they pray for, live for and die for. I've had no good response yet in that regards.
On a side: Like all my threads, I write in the spirit of Diogenes the Cynic.
Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?
I did. I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.
Aphorism
I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.
Itisnowagain
Aphorism
I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.
What is he talking about though? Is he only speaking about a word?
What is he talking about though? Is he only speaking about a word?
AfterInfinity
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Was it not you who stated his account of 'God' was the best?
I did. I also happen to think all accounts of God are lies. In that respect, his account is the lesser of evils.
What a poetic way to phrase it. I happen to agree.
The world is not God, but it is, in a strong sense, "in" God. Not only do finite things have God as their cause; they cannot be conceived without God.
VI. By 'God' I mean a being absolutely infinite—that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.
Aphorism
He is speaking about nothing but this definition, which he acquired by the expression of his own mind.
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Which he wrote...in words. Which you write...in words.
Appearing words are finite things that cannot appear without God or be conceived without God.
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
From the first page in his book:
VI. By 'God' I mean a being absolutely infinite—that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.
He is speaking about nothing but this definition, which he acquired by the expression of his own mind.
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Appearing words are finite things that cannot appear without God or be conceived without God.
There are people, animals, and likely even plants that conceive without God all the time.
theopendoorway.org...
The inherent Intelligence of Reality has the property of being able to interpret its radiant energies as patterns, and has the further ability to imagine hypothetical interpretations regarding what these imagined patterns might consist of: e.g. beings, entities, situations, etc.
It can happen that these hypothetical interpretations might include the idea that these patterns actually inherently exist as entities in themselves, that they might be actual independently existing individualities that have coherent identities that persist in time; and are more than just the instantaneous Radiance of Reality, as they actually are.
No finite thing can appear or be conceived without God.
Aphorism
reply to post by Itisnowagain
No finite thing can appear or be conceived without God.
Appear to and be conceived by whom?