reply to post by intrepid
Well done on your 10 years service.
This is a new account for me, just started today, as my old account was apparently blocked or cancelled due to calling someone a shill which was only
based on their own actions and comments. I was unaware that calling someone out for their own words wouldn't be in breach of the T&C. I was on here
for several years and only ever had 2 clashes with another user. The first clash was with someone that was just big noting themselves, so I basically
put that user back in their place but lost 1000+ points for doing so, despite years have having no problems with any other user. The second clash was
the earlier example I gave about calling someone clearly acting in shill like behaviour a shill. Well I didn't even actually accuse them, I merely
said that if that was their opinion, then they are either very ignorant, or have just outed themselves as a shill. No direct accusation, no direct
breach of the T&C, yet my account gets blocked with no explanation or justification. Several years of input, questions and sometimes answers have all
been flushed down the drain for suggesting, not accusing, but SUGGESTING that someone else's behaviour and comments could easily lead them to being
The reason I'm replying is that I would like to hear from the more experienced people on ATS that have seen the changes over the years. And when I
say changes, I don't necessarily mean only the good changes. Now, I'm not implying that ATS is now a Government owned and controlled website, but I
have seen what I believe to be a dramatic increase in what appears to be Government agents trying every trick in the book to derail a thread that is
hitting a little too close to home. Again, I am not saying ATS is government owned and controlled, but going by how many shills appear to be on ATS
these days, it would appear that they actually have a lot more control of this site then they are being given credit for. When you can keep coming in
and derailing a thread from reaching its true potential, then can anyone really argue that they don't have a controlling stake at least ? Not
forgetting many of the alphabet agencies have admitted to sending in "employees" onto sites like this.
On my time on ATS I have come across some of the greatest bits of information from some of the smartest minds I have ever come across. To be fair, I
have also come across some of the most dim-witted people on here that I have every come across as well. But when you cause no issues or dramas for
years, but then have your account blocked or cancelled for SUGGESTING that ONE person may be a shill, which was based on their own words and argument,
then you know something must be wrong on ATS, or..............one of the ATS mods was having a bad day and couldn't even be bothered reading the
ENTIRE conversation and has done a knee-jerk re-action to ONE complaint.
I'm not really bothered by having my old account blocked, because a new email address will always beat that problem. What really ticks me off is how
many comments I've read from the same users that do nothing but derail, ridicule and insult, ALL breaches of the T&C's, yet they are allowed to
continue operating at their own free will. I suggest that a shill may be a shill, and its all systems shutdown ?
But just like with real life, the repeat offenders get minimum to no punishment, yet those that SUGGEST that someone else could be a fraud, then its
account blocked, no questions asked, no explanation, and nothing to see here.
I have seen ATS go from mainly a site for like minded people, to turning into a site that now reflects Facebook, where everyone wants to be a
smart-ass rather then do or say something productive. But having stars was always going to be a bad idea as all it does is give people a confidence
boost just like they get when 20 people hit the "like" button on Facebook. And we now seem to live in a computer world where it you get a minimum
amount of stars or "likes" then it somehow verifies and justifies their stance or opinion. But as that saying goes......"no one is ever wrong on
Facebook". Well that saying can now also include ATS as well as far as I'm concerned, based on results that I have seen.
You would hope that a site like this would lead people to put their bias aside and discuss issues that may reveal information they hadn't heard
before, which could affect their decision making and possibly change their original stance. But what do we have most of the time
now.................and look no further than a political thread for proof of this, but now all we have are people already going on to a thread with a
pre-set way of thinking and a blinded, one-eyed, biased view on things. But isn't going into a thread with a pre-set opinion actually falling under
the very thing that ATS says not to do........Deny Ignorance ?
Show me ONE political thread from either the US, England or Australia that hasn't turned into a tit-for-tat petty debate about who's football team
is better. Show me ONE thread that's doesn't do this ?
I don't know who "owns" ATS, but the results have shown that the ignorant and the shills now "control" it. ATS and its users have the ability to
expose the lies, and the liars. But when the liars have control it's not as easy as it seems. I didn't say that the liars own it, but they do
control it. We the people OWN our government, yet who controls who. Ownership means nothing in todays world, its all about who has the CONTROL. You
don't have to own something to be able to control it, and no one knows this better than the agents and shills. But just don't suggest that they may
be a shill for their shill-like behaviour and comments because you might get your account blocked too, without explanation !
**[I'm aware some people may question why I would say this but then open another account, well the answer is because I'm not going to run away and
hide because I may of been hitting too close to home for others liking, and I also still enjoy taking part in many discussions, but the key these days
is to get in quick before the thread derails into yet another pissing contest, and get out long before the shills and ignorant arrive on masse].**