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Society in the past has not done very well when religion was removed from the equation.
reply to post by tsingtao
Human characteristics? like Jesus...he was also not a God but just a decent fella.
What about other faiths Gods? Hindus for example a billion people believe in them but wait because it isn't your brand they must be wrong eh?.
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Yes, they make room in torture chambers or at the end of a sword trying to convert them by force and failing that condemning them to hell. I'm not really sure what you are getting at, but history shows that Abrahamic religions make little room for the non-believers. So much so that many ancient skeptics and atheists had to publicly say they were Christian, but one can deduce their real beliefs through their writings and some of their quotes.
there were atheists back then? for all the gods?
really? lol. roman empire?
maybe in the OT, or muslims now.
but no christians are in the OT.
christian was pejorative, it meant "little christs"
reply to post by Bone75
reply to post by ColeYounger
I couldn't agree with you more. Today's atheists are the most disrespectful people on the planet. They're on the same level as racists in my opinion.
You're making the same mistake that the 'atheists' you're talking about often make ...
There are a legion more quiet, dignified atheists than there are out spoken anti-theists. In a way I'm pretty sure you know this, and might say 'I'm not referring to X or Y type of person', but you should qualify it. Like I don't like holier than thou Christians. Most Christians don't bother me.
reply to post by tothetenthpower
agnostic atheist? seriously?
wtf is that? sounds silly.
you believe or don't or are too chicken# to make a decision.
It's actually one of the basic concepts behind New Atheism for the most part.
It's generally accepted on an academic level that even dedicated anti-theists are agnostic, and in most conversations it goes without saying as metaphysics 101. It's a straw man when someone walks in and says 'well I'm agnostic, and you're all arrogant' because they're not having the same conversation as everyone else in the room usually. It would get tiresome to start every conversation with 'well I'm not 100% sure but...'
Dawkins and other prominent Atheists hold this position, and I can see why in a non-academic setting someone would feel the need to point it out.
Side note: I'd suggest OP that there are wide and varied reasons for distrusting and hating religion, but there are some pretty good Atheists on ATS to have conversations with if you look in the right places. Biggest issue is often people respond to the most offensive person in each thread instead of the most curious or thoughtful.edit on 6-1-2014 by Pinke because: Side Note
maybe in an academic setting? but what's it say for here at ATS?
they are fake or what? does it count what they say?
what does academics have to do with it, anyway? why would it be different for the common chump?
naw, there are believers, agnostics and non-believers. most against christianity.
rarely against norse or roman or greek or even sumarians, egyptian, or any other believers.
(add whatever gods in here) and that's only in a small part of the whole world and time.
This needs to be posted here since some people don't understand what agnosticism is:
edit on 6-1-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Another is that they try and instil fear into us for being what we are..human, I accept the light side and the dark side of humanity but I know which feels right and which doesn't I don't need threats of eternal torment to be a decent chap...Other people use religion as a tool to make others do what they want...my example of this is in the bible like I said...giving your money to the priests or you will not goto heaven.
Some atheists get really offended when someone believes in God, like it’s an affront to their dignity.
I’d like to put forth the following propositions to our resident atheists:
First and foremost… Rejecting anything and everything that you consider theological, religious, or spiritual doesn’t automatically make you “scientific-minded”. On the contrary, it makes you close-minded.
Second…. There are people much smarter than you who believe in God.
Finally… Feel free to believe that “spiritual” = “unscientific”. Go ahead and believe that when you die, it’s The End, and you’re worm food. Go ahead and believe, essentially, in nothing beyond our limited consciousness and awareness.
A comment left by an atheist prompted me to create this thread. Usually, I wouldn't care and would just move on, but the comment angered me just a tad. It 'cut me to the quick', as it were.
The comment was left on a thread that was created by a Christian, and a follower of Jesus. It was a fairly lengthy thread and I read a good deal of it. The Original Poster was, imo, intelligent, logical and rational. A thinker.
Of course, within an hour's time, one of the local atheists posted the obligatory comment about how anyone who believes in "an invisible man in the sky" is an unscientific moron. The comment was just childish, and poorly worded to boot. Someone who can barely string a sentence together was chastising someone who had an obviously well-developed faculty for thinking.
Looking around the "religious" forums, I noticed about a half-dozen of these "atheist attacks" on "unscientific" Christians. Some atheists get really offended when someone believes in God, like it’s an affront to their dignity.
I’d like to put forth the following propositions to our resident atheists:
First and foremost…
Rejecting anything and everything that you consider theological, religious, or spiritual
doesn’t automatically make you “scientific-minded”. On the contrary, it makes you close-minded. It actually makes you unscientific. Real scientists seek the truth, and don’t reject something out of hand because it isn’t plainly visible or proven. A real scientist could look at a tree and at least entertain the idea that there could be a designer, an intelligence, a creator behind it.
There are people much smarter than you who believe in God. There are physicists, mathematicians and biologists with stellar I.Q.s who believe in a creator. Are they being scientific and unscientific at the same time? There are some deep thinkers out there who have pushed their very sanity to its limits, grappling with concepts that are beyond the realm of human understanding. They have stared into the abyss, and many have come away concluding there must be a God. How can these unscientific simpletons match intellects with the likes of Penn & Teller, the Las Vegas magicians who have avowed there’s no God?
Feel free to believe that “spiritual” = “unscientific”. Go ahead and believe that when you die, it’s The End, and you’re worm food. Go ahead and believe, essentially, in nothing beyond our limited consciousness and awareness.
In your defense, it’s human nature to doubt. Even Mother Teresa had a ‘dark night of the soul’ where her faith was weakened. Many saints have experienced ‘spiritual dryness.’ The Apostle Thomas, the doubter, was the one who got to touch the wounds of Christ.
I’ll leave you with a quote from “The Count of Monte Cristo”
Edmond Dantes: I don't believe in God.
Abbe Faria (the priest): It doesn't matter. He believes in you.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Does knowing have to be established by fact to be "knowing"? Could knowing simply be a state of emotional regard for a concept? A complete absence of doubt or reserve?