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The JFK Assassination---The Roles of Masons and Royalists---50 years is long enough

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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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network dude
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A mason is a man, who has been initiated, passed, and raised, in a regular masonic lodge.
Your definition is meaningless.

Maybe English isn't your first language.

I personally like Reagan. I think he would have made a great mason. Other masons may disagree. But then since we have free will and all, we can be like that.

But in the grand scheme of life, Ronald Reagan was given an honorary membership in the Scottish Rite. He was not a mason, a freemason, or a Shriner. He was an honorary member of the Scottish Rite.

Unless you can prove that he was raised to the sublime degree of master mason in a legally constituted master masons lodge, you just wrong. I am sorry. I wish you were right.

And if you ever get real bored, do check out the link to the JFK speech. It does a great job of explaining whey conspiracy folks get it wrong so often.



So, you here confirm that Reagan was an Honored Member of the Masons. !!

Very good !


Just like any Fraternity can make anyone a member, so can the Masons. And they made Reagan not just a Mason, but an Honored Mason.!

Anyway you slice it, Reagan had a strong relationship with the MASONS! He even connected he was part of 16 other Masonic Presidents now!


Even Reagan recognized and acknowledge he was a Mason, as as President that superceeds any Masonic opinions.


edit on 6-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Even Reagan recognized he was a Mason, which superceeds any Mason relevance.




posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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MagnumOpus
...as JFK knew they were behind the uprising of the Anti-Communism issues in the US and was the system that attempted to bully he and Eisenhower on the Anti-Communism craze.


You seem to be seriously deluded on your history. Kennedy was as anti-Communist as they come, these are his own words:
    1952:

    Kennedy referred to the Communist threat as “an enemy, power[full], unrelenting and implacable who seeks to dominate the world by subversion and conspiracy.” source


    1960:

    Even while running for President in 1960, JFK appealed to the "tough on the Soviets" issue by consistently hammering at Eisenhower for America's supposed lack of leadership, and America "falling behind the Soviets." It was JFK, promising more money for defense spending and American readiness when he charged Eisenhower for allowing a non-existent "missile gap" to develop between the U.S. and Soviet nuclear arsenals. And it was JFK, who during the debates with Nixon, charged that Eisenhower policy had resulted in the loss of Cuba. source


    1963:

    It was for these reasons alone, that holding the line in Vietnam was essential. It was JFK who increased America's troop number from 500 to 16,000 and he repeatedly insisted that while Vietnam might have been "in the final analysis, their war," American troops were nontheless not there "to see a war lost" and that he totally disagreed with those who were suggesting the idea of a pullout. "I think that would be a mistake," he said to Walter Cronkite in 1963. source



Not to mention The Kennedy Doctrine of Cold War containment.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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When you get around to reading the whole story on the JFK and RFK issues on Communism per Cuba and Russia, you will find there is much more to the story that you present here.

JFK was working with Khruschev and Castro on Peaceful co-existence and it was within weeks of happening.

That is part of the real history and why the Dallas Crooks were calling him Communist in his Dallas visit.

Lots of the Dallas Money gang and PERMINDEX and General Walker's gang call called JFK Communist.


So, all you present is half - truths that are more consistent with the scams of Masons. imho


JFK and RFK bite into the poison pill on overboard Red Scare games for political advantage and to survive McCarthy and his Communist behind every tree games. Soon enough, JFK and RFK learned what forces were pushing the overboard response and just how much they wanted to force the US into a war for their greed. imho


Just think you could have been learning things of real history and value, instead you wasted lots of time on worthless Mason skits that lead everyone to a dead end.


If you had been a self-starter and not just an empty minded follower, you could learn the real elements of religion linked to the Fertile Crescent and the group known as the Creator Gods and the relevance of Enki and and his descendants, like Enoch. You could also learn of Enlil.

Instead you have little empty words like ABADDON, and you never learn what inspired the temple from those of Mt Carmel's teachings, the Essene and the Therpute.

All of which leaves you ignorant of some of the most important issues in life. imho


In the great scheme of things the Masons only teach ignorance and destruction. imho



edit on 6-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Those that teach ignorance and destruction



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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hon·or [on-er] Show IPA
noun
1.
honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
2.
a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family.
3.
high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
4.
such respect manifested: a memorial in honor of the dead.
5.
high public esteem; fame; glory: He has earned his position of honor.




hon·or·ar·y [on-uh-rer-ee] Show IPA
adjective
1.
given for honor only, without the usual requirements, duties, privileges, emoluments, etc.: The university presented the new governor with an honorary degree.
2.
holding a title or position conferred for honor only: an honorary president.
3.
(of an obligation) depending on one's honor for fulfillment.
4.
conferring or commemorating honor or distinction.
5.
given, made, or serving as a token of honor: an honorary gift.


Do you really have to act this childish? Grow up just a bit.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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JFK's speech called "The President and the Press" was about calling for more secrecy with regard to national security.

JFK was a member of a Secret Society. He was a member of the Knights of Columbus which is an organization much like masonry for Catholic men.

All of this is very, very, public record and as I mentioned, easily understandable for even the silliest of village idiot to comprehend. That link, on page 1. Read it, know it, live it.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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MagnumOpus
When you get around to reading the whole story on the JFK and RFK issues on Communism per Cuba and Russia, you will find there is much more to the story that you present here.


I will settle for the words of Kennedy himself opposed to your blather.


JFK was working with Khruschev and Castro on Peaceful co-existence and it was within weeks of happening.


What Kennedy documents are you citing?


JFK and RFK bite into the poison pill on overboard Red Scare games for political advantage and to survive McCarthy and his Communist behind every tree games.


Sorry, Kennedy's quotes show that he was 100% anti-Communist right up until his death. If you have others proving this wrong post them.


If you had been a self-starter and not just an empty minded follower, you could learn the real elements of religion linked to the Fertile Crescent and the group known as the Creator Gods and the relevance of Enki and and his descendants, like Enoch. You could also learn of Enlil.


I am not interested in your superstitious mumbo-jumbo and wacky religious beliefs.


In the great scheme of things the Masons only teach ignorance and distruction.


Funny, because in April of 2102 you said this about Masons:


It is amazing the level of hate that is aimed at a society that formed what became the Constitution of the US, and the understanding of the problems in Europe and the Middle East that needed to be addressed to form a Democratic Republic that banned religion in Govt. for the good of We The People. It was unfortunate that these studies had to be conducted underground to avoid the hate and resistance of the organized religion types. It is also time this greater knowledge and truth is allowed to come into the light without the hate of organized religion's intentions to attempt to keep these truths supressed. link



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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I see---so you are interested in my Mumbo-Jumbo on some Masons that cared to do real research on Jesus issues, and that other Masons just ignore Jesus. There are more than enough former Masons that call Masonry the anti-Christ!

I have addressed, even here, that Masons had a glimmer of honesty in the times of GW and the Constitution, but were soon invaded and corrupted again. imho

In that item, JFK was not a principle subject.

But, here it is and Masons are dirty----very dirty on JFK. imho


I am not interested in your dumb rituals and won't ever want to be a Mason for obvious reasons of their corruption and dishonesty on many themes. And when I encounter some like yourself. imho


What is important is The President himself called himself a Mason and at the same ranks at 16 others. Which means the President himself called himself a Mason! imho

And called Masons only a Fraternity, which means it is only needed to be termed a member. Reagan was a member, which equals MASON.

Nobody would use the corrupt society mason definition, when the more generic and publicly accepted standard is what the President Reagn said and he called himself a MASON. A Member Certified Mason !

I don't care about all the other Mason Mumbo-jumbo nonsense to self-aggrandize a simple dumb fraternity.






In a February 22, 1988, letter from President Reagan to Grand Commander Kleinknecht (a copy of which was printed in The New Age Magazine, April 1988, inside front cover), the President said he commended "the outstanding charitable work of the Masons as one of our nation's oldest fraternal organizations." He also thanked the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, Grand Commander, for "the framed certificate of membership," and said he was "honored to join the ranks of sixteen former Presidents in their association with Freemasonry."





Reagan Tells he is MASON



edit on 6-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Foolish Fraternity founded upon ignorance



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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You kind of keep doing this to yourself.


Over Ronald Reagan's long career as both an actor and a politician, he had been involved with events and charitable causes supported by Freemasonry and the Shriners. He is often listed as a Freemason, or a member of the Shrine. Now Freemasons thought a great deal of Ronald Reagan without question, but President Reagan was never a Freemason himself.

Now here's where people get confused. On February 11, 1988, the Grand Master of Washington, D.C. presented President Reagan with a "Certificate of Honor" which said that President Reagan's life was a testament to his firm belief in brotherly love, relief, and truth, and his service to the public has broadened the applications of temperance, fortitude, prudence, and justice to the benefit of all mankind. But the certificate was given to Reagan to acknowledge his life's work--he was not made a Mason by the Grand Master of Washington, D.C.


Link to source

I am sorry, but no matter how often you say it, it's still just not true. Please, please try to comprehend the above text. If you like, I can re-format it an put lots of spaces in.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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MagnumOpus
I see---so you are interested in my Mumbo-Jumbo...


No actually, I am not, it just made it appear that you are a bit schizophrenic in your revolving commentary.


I am not interested in your dumb rituals and won't ever want to be a Mason...


Who cares? No one said you should join.


What is important is The President himself called himself a Mason and at the same ranks at 16 others. Which means the President himself called himself a Mason!


Maybe you can supply the quote where he does this.


And called Masons only a Fraternity, which means it is only needed to be termed a member. Reagan was a member, which equals MASON.


You can claim that all you want, honestly, it would not bother me if he were a Mason, I liked him, but I am fairly certain that everyone reading this thread, with the glaring exception of you, understands that an honorary membership is quite different from actually going through the degrees and becoming a member.

The rest of your points are pseudo-religious, historical-revisionist, homophobic, inarticulate pablum. You employ the Gish Gallop and throw so much nonsense at that wall it is a wonder that you can even keep your story straight. When your errors are pointed out you either ignore them or apply a circular argument in a sad and pathetic effort to reassert their alleged accuracy.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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There is no doubt the MASONs like Reagan, as he saved lots of their rears from the Jim Garrison investigation that would have condemned Hoover, Ford, LBJ, Mandel, Bloomfield, Ruby, and lots more for the JFK killing.

It remains that Reagan termed himself a Mason, and the New Age Mag. Printed the same, so that is all that matters here.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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Well-----I think I will just be happy with how Reagan said he was a Mason and that is good enough for here.

I don't need the fraternity non-sense, when the Reagan Library has Reagan's Mason Membership Certified.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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MagnumOpus
so that is all that matters here.



If you stop bringing this up, I promise I won't prove you wrong anymore. But you really, really have to let this go. Reagan was an HONORARY member. He was not an actual member. There is a difference. The fact that you aren't mentally capable of understanding that has no relevance here. These are the facts, and they are undisputed.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:12 PM
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The issue remains that Reagan actively conspired against Jim Garrison to keep hidden that many Masons were behind the JFK hit and cover-up, and all this other noise of yours means literally nothing! imho


You can absolutely count on me linking Reagan to Crooked Masons into perpetuity! imho


All this celebrate Reagan in Hungary over Communism is just an instant reply for what led into the JFK hit, and the Hungarian Crooks that played central roles in forming PERMINDEX and the hit gang that took out JFK over Communism and Zionism.


Honest people that know the JFK story get really mad when they see a corrupt President like Reagan honored right in the area that spawned what became the JFK murder. imho
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posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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I am fine to leave the rest of your paranoid rant alone. It just irritates me when people lie, get caught, and then try to lie more to get out of it. It doesn't work for my grandson and it won't work for you. Be a man, admit you were wrong, or at the very least, just stop TALKING about it.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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Reagan said he was a Mason------which connects him back to the appreciation issues of the Masons interested in the JFK hit and cover up, per PERMINDEX and Hungary issues.

It won't ever change and you can get as mad as you want into perpetuity. imho



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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Sigh,
please show me where Reagan said he was a mason.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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MagnumOpus
There have been lots of people reject the Masons after they get up near the top and find they have been had. [snip]

Mason Demit process





Citing William Schnoebelen? I smell troll. Perhaps you should avail yourself of the threads about Schnoebelen before hitching your argument to that particular wagon

Fitz



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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in all actuality, the letter Billy writes for born again masons to demit is very truthful of the born again view as well as how it portrays masonry. A mason who cannot allow others to follow their beliefs has no place in masonry and should demit. (IMHO)

But I do like his last line. "and pastors are the worst." -Pastor Bill Schenobelen.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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network dude
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Sigh,
please show me where Reagan said he was a mason.


I applaud your patience and feel your pain.



posted on Jan, 6 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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whyamIhere
I have no opinion on the Masons...

However, when you have an Organization that prides itself on Secrets.

Well, the "Secrets" haven't been secret since around (IIRC) about 1725 when the first book about the fraternity came out.


whyamIhere
You can't act all surprised when people question your motives.

The first time, no; I suppose not. Trouble is the first time was so long ago and there are ever so many who can't be bothered to do basic research to see whether said questioned motives have been addressed before (almost always countless times). In many regards, it has a "Groundhog Day" quality to it


whyamIhere
You can't be surprised when people tie you to Conspiracies.

Perhaps not but is a modicum of basic research too much to expect of those attempting to fling the same tired old canards? The 9/11 board suffers from the same problem. Regulars who patiently respond to the same new-to-the-newbie 'amazing conspiracy' and then are gainsaid if there's eventually a scintilla of snark
in there response.

The byline here is still "Deny Ignorance" isn't it?


whyamIhere
Maybe the OP is totally wrong. Prove it without threats and insults.

I think the response have on the main been indulgent, far from threats and with far more insults received than transmitted. MagnumOpus has betrayed a clear lack of understanding of Freemasonry even when the pointed out repeatedly and patiently. I don't think he quite comprehends that, as the Master of a Craft Lodge, if I were put in the position of having to suspend the membership of one of our Scottish Rite or York Rite members (say dues lapsed for over a year with no response to repeated attempts to contact said member), in suspending him I would be forcing all side rites to likewise suspend him even though he might be at the very pinnacle of those bodies. And this is from a lowly 3rd Degree member.

These situations come up time and time and time again and the last time I recall a new Masonic conspiracy was the Monkey lodge thread from a few years back. Much effort was expended to understand what was going on before it turned out that the poster was recycling a situation from a motorcycle riders forum and adjusting it for Masonry.

MagnumOpus is wrong on a very large number of matters which have been addressed repeatedly. In that, I have to wonder whether he's here to learn or if he prefers to embrace ignorance?

Fitz



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