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What should I believe about contrails?

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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) identifies the most serious hazardous waste sites in the nation. These sites are then placed on the National Priorities List (NPL) and are targeted for long-term federal clean-up activities. Aluminum (in some form, e.g., in compounds with other elements such as oxygen, sulfur, or phosphorus) has been found at elevated levels in at least 596 of the 1,699 current or former NPL sites. Although the total number of NPL sites evaluated for this substance is not known, the possibility exists that the number of sites at which aluminum is found may increase in the future as more sites are evaluated. This information is important because these sites may be sources of exposure and exposure to this substance at high levels may be harmful www.atsdr.cdc.gov...
Raise your hand, if you UNDERSTAND! Now, this has nothing to do with "chemtrails", per say, but you just have to wonder, WTF we're doing to our planet. Do you REALLY believe the government cares where it dumps it's toxic waste?

You don't have to believe in chemtrails....but please stop acting like our "leaders" care about OUR planet or US, for that matter!

LOOK AROUND YOU!




posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 01:49 PM
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Raise your hand, if you UNDERSTAND! Now, this has nothing to do with "chemtrails", per say, but you just have to wonder, WTF we're doing to our planet. Do you REALLY believe the government cares where it dumps it's toxic waste?


So now your onto toxic waste.

Derailing at it's finest.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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WonderBoi



You don't have to believe in chemtrails....but please stop acting like our "leaders" care about OUR planet or US, for that matter!

LOOK AROUND YOU!


Show ONE post where anyone has said any such thing.

To take a stance akin to "if you disbelieve in chemtrails you must love the govt" makes you sound like a 5 year old, or a troll.


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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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I posted my reasoning as you asked, I do hope you are going to respond. In addition, you talk of critical thinking, what do you think debunking is, if not that?

For example, are you a person that believes in chemtrails because (in addition to the other things you wrote) you believe that contrails are short lived and quickly dissipate?

If yes, where do you source that information from?

If no, how then do you tell the difference?


(post by WonderBoi removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........... Chem trails, that's a good one. One of the best so far. Better than Area 51, or the Jewish Conspiracy to take the twin towers down, better than the multiple shooter JFK nonsense, better than the moon landing filmed in a studio.

In fact this paranoid delusion is the best of the bunch yet.

Though I'm sure it will soon be topped by some other delusional nonsense.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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Dude are you just going around calling people dumb? Horrible troll



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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No, that is argument from incredulity and an appeal to probability (at best) and are both logical fallacies. Just because you think the government and corporations are poisoning you does not mean that they are or that others agree. You have not offered evidence of any type, only your personal opinion.


I'm sorry that you are being lazy, or live under a rock, and are refusing to look the evidence up instead of invoking a spoonfed mentality of intellect, but here I will do the hard work for you.

High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)


Americans are being poisoned by a common additive present in a wide array of processed foods like soft drinks and salad dressings, commercially made cakes and cookies, and breakfast cereals and brand-name breads.

This commonplace additive silently increases our risk of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and atherosclerosis.

The name of this toxic additive is high-fructose corn syrup. It is so ubiquitous in processed foods and so over-consumed by the average American that many experts believe our nation faces the prospect of an epidemic of metabolic disease in the future, related in significant degree to excess consumption of high-fructose corn syrup.


Not to mention that it is primarily made from GMO-corn, inhibits leptin; your body's natural fat burning hormone, reduces serotonin levels, and damages the liver; very similarly to Aspartame, and has been linked to depression, and methanol poisoning at low levels, over say the course of your lifetime.

Aspartame

I already pointed out some of the issues with it containing methanol, which converts to formaldehyde in the body, but also that the chemical "Aspartame" breaks back down into toxic byproducts if it is not kept cool, and reaches a temperature above 87 degrees fahrenheit. Like say room temperature?

Studies On The Dangers Of Aspartame

Not to mention that the ingredient 'Aspartic Acid' targets the same receptors as Glutamate.


Glutamate (an amino acid) is the brain’s primary excitatory neurotransmitter. However, excess glutamate kills brain neurons and is therefore called an “excitotoxin.” Too much glutamate literally excites brain neurons to death. Glutamate is commonly added to foods because it makes them “exciting” or taste better.1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Aspartic acid, or aspartate (another amino acid) is the brain’s second prevalent excitatory neurotransmitter. Aspartate poses the same deleterious toxicity to brain neurons as does glutamate, and is therefore also labeled as an excitotoxin. Most of human exposure to aspartate is through the artificial sweetener aspartame. Aspartame is composed of the amino acids phenylalanine and aspartate. In the body, and sometimes in the food products when heated, the bond between phenylalanine and aspartate is broken, releasing the excitatory neurotransmitter and excitotoxin aspartate. Importantly and sadly, according to neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock’s 2002 book Health and Nutrition Secrets that Can Save Your Life,5 phenylalanine and aspartate are not linked through a standard peptide bond, but rather are linked with methyl alcohol (a deadly toxin itself). Consequently, ingestion of aspartame exposes our bodies to both aspartate and to methanol.1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Glutamate and Aspartate (from Aspartame) are commonly discussed together under the label “Excitoxins.”
In 1993, the Journal of Neurosurgery6 publishes an article that notes that the ultimate neuronal damage that follows traumatic brain injury is done by glutamate and aspartate neurotoxicity.



Sodium Fluoride.... If I even have to go there it means you haven't even paid attention to history let alone this forum other than the section for Secret Societies which apparently "aren't secret nor do they have any secrets". I honestly hope you aren't as far detached to actually require proof for this one. I will however state that any supposed trials testing the safety of fluoride and use to prevent dental caries, were based on calcium fluoride, a byproduct of mineral runoff in streams; not a byproduct of a uranium enrichment.

Dental Cavities : Still Most Prevalent Chronic Illness In Children and Adults

That carcinogen must really be working to prevent them cavities!!!!

Fluoride Induces Malignant Transformation of Mammalian Cells

Not to mention, I pointed out in my iodine thread that fluoride, bromide, and chloride, all negatively impact the thyroid gland, because they bear an atomic weight similar to iodine, due to all four being halogens on the periodic table. Iodine is needed by the thyroid gland, the throat which is needed to speak the word, in order to create it's hormones T3 & T4, which are essential for optimal health as they affect the efficacy of every other hormone within the body. By pushing iodine out of the body, they assume it's place within these hormones, which is why testing for TSH levels always show up as normal, but the thyroid is inflamed and essentially decaying; the molecules in it's T3 & T4 hormones are no longer iodine based and are therefore ineffective.

Maltodextrin - Brought To You By Monsanto

It is a corn based additive, made primarily from GMO corn which represents roughly 80% of the corn supply in the United States, and has been known to inhibit proper nutrient absorption.


The consumption of maltodextrin has similar side effects and health risks as most food additives. These side effects include allergic reactions, unexplained weight gain, bloating and flatulence. Specific allergic reactions associated with the use of maltodextrin include rash, asthma, itching and difficulty breathing. If you experience any allergic reaction or other side effect after consuming maltodextrin, you should discontinue use and consult with a medical professional.




Just because you think the government and corporations are poisoning you does not mean that they are or that others agree.


I take that back, maybe you do live under a rock... Look around you; millions of people in the United States feel and believe the same way I do, just because you turn a blind eye to us doesn't mean we don't exist.



You removed the sentence I quoted which proved that you were using a logical fallacy while claiming this type of argument was dishonest and attributing the behavior to another poster.


Would you mind requoting it then, I'm a little confused as to which quote you are referring to. To my knowledge, I haven't removed anything from my posts simply because I had something to hide; if I did it was more than likely on accident.

Does it matter at all? You and nearly every other poster here have commented at least once with a logical fallacy, so forgive me if I don't take your chastisement to heart.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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You don't have to be a mind reader; I'm sure there are very few people in actuality who thought I was attempting to insinuate aspartame was being sprayed off of planes. You made an assumption.

Funny how you know that Diet Coke contains Aspartame, but never thought to ask yourself if it was the Diet Coke I was referring to in the first place..



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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VeritasAequitas
I'm sorry...


The only thing you should be apologizing for is the pointless consumption of bandwith to link compounds that are not being dispersed in the atmosphere and are not relative to the topic.


I take that back, maybe you do live under a rock... Look around you; millions of people in the United States feel and believe the same way I do, just because you turn a blind eye to us doesn't mean we don't exist.


No one says you are the only person that believes in chemtrails and I have no desire to deprive you or anyone else of their God-given right to have paranoia revolving around atmospheric phenomenon.

This is also argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy.


Would you mind requoting it then, I'm a little confused as to which quote you are referring to. To my knowledge, I haven't removed anything from my posts simply because I had something to hide; if I did it was more than likely on accident.


Go back and reread the post, it is a rather short thread.


Does it matter at all?


Only if you do not want to appear to be hypocritical.


You and nearly every other poster here have commented at least once with a logical fallacy, so forgive me if I don't take your chastisement to heart.


Please point out the logical fallacy I committed, I would be more than happy to discuss this with anyone.


edit on 4-1-2014 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer because his mug got filled with chemtrail residue



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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This isn't about chemtrails guy.....

I stated initially that I thought the chemtrails vs contrails argument is bloody stupid.

"See that line in the sky! It's chemicals being sprayed in the sky because our governments want to poison us!"

"No it isn't you silly duck; that's a contrail, and besides our government would never do that; otherwise prove that they would."

Screw the flipping lines in the sky, it's a freakin asinine argument. Lines in the sky or not we are being poisoned by harmful chemicals on a daily basis, and it shouldn't have to even be an argument whether the lines in the sky are those chemicals or not. The real argument is if the government and authorities are subjecting us to chemical warfare, which is a unanimous yes; whether it's the lines in the sky or the additives in our fool.. Naievity is a son of a gun >.>

I wouldn't expect anything greater though, from a nation who teaches their children all the wrong things to think, and never how to think. Not to mention it's beat in their head from the time they are born never to question authority... That's some kind of slave mentality right there....
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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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VeritasAequitas
You don't have to be a mind reader; I'm sure there are very few people in actuality who thought I was attempting to insinuate aspartame was being sprayed off of planes. You made an assumption.


An assumption based on your not clarifying that you had at that point opted to interject the food chain into the topic. You should also note that I was not the only one who commented about this.


Funny how you know that Diet Coke contains Aspartame, but never thought to ask yourself if it was the Diet Coke I was referring to in the first place..


Why would I not know that artificial sweeteners are in diet sodas and why would I care if you were referring to Diet Coke?



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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Please point out the logical fallacy I committed, I would be more than happy to discuss this with anyone.


Maybe the one you are all guilty of by insinuating that because contrails exist, that all chemtrails must be contrails, and that we are just nutcases, and they don't exist except as figments of our paranoid imagination.
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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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Why would I not know that artificial sweeteners are in diet sodas and why would I care if you were referring to Diet Coke?


*Facepalm*...

Why would you not care if I was referring to diet coke? Because you made an asinine assumption that I was stating they sprayed diet coke from planes.... Now that you bring it up, I'm not the only one who commented on this either...



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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VeritasAequitas
Maybe the one you are all guilty of by insinuating that because contrails exist, that all chemtrails must be contrails, and that we are just nutcases, and they don't exist except as figments of our paranoid imagination.


That is not a logical fallacy, that is you needing to provide proof of your position.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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The only thing you should be apologizing for is the pointless consumption of bandwith to link compounds that are not being dispersed in the atmosphere and are not relative to the topic.


Oh but it is relevant considering you believe all chemtrails to be contrails, and can't possibly imagine a scenario of them spraying chemicals in the sky except for the paranoid imagination of conspiracy nuts, when in reality they have already subjected us to chemical experimentation on the ground via the food supply. You have evidence for at least half of a scenario, and a patent that would easily allow for them to spray chemicals in the air. While this may not constitute as 'proof' it is at least a cause for concern and investigation.

If they poison us from the ground, why not from the sky above as well? Wouldn't it increase our chances of illness by increasing the factors for our illness?

Or did "As Below, So Above" just get tossed out the window with these people?



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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VeritasAequitas
Why would you not care if I was referring to diet coke? Because you made an asinine assumption that I was stating they sprayed diet coke from planes....


Due to you failure to differentiate when you transitioned from the atmosphere to the food chain it appeared to me, and others, that you were implying that these compounds were being dispersed at altitude. In retrospect it was obviously a poor attempt to use implied belief in chemtrails as analogous to people drinking diet sodas.

"Diet soda exists, therefore I am being poisoned by chemtrails." I see the pure logic in that argument. Pepsius ergo veneno chemtrailis.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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AugustusMasonicus

VeritasAequitas
Maybe the one you are all guilty of by insinuating that because contrails exist, that all chemtrails must be contrails, and that we are just nutcases, and they don't exist except as figments of our paranoid imagination.


That is not a logical fallacy, that is you needing to provide proof of your position.


I can't believe you really said that.... Look duderino, just because contrails exist, doesn't make all lines in the sky by default contrails. That is a logical fallacy at best, and an asinine assumption at worst case scenario.
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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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Screw the flipping lines in the sky, it's a freakin asinine argument.


This is a thread about those white lines in the sky is it not?



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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"Diet soda exists, therefore I am being poisoned by chemtrails." I see the pure logic in that argument.


Probably as much as I see the asininity in that statement... That's not at all what the same thing as what I outlined...



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