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Success for the Chemtrail program?

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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 02:15 PM
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sunnynights

network dude
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Actually, the amount of any chemical that would be needed to produce the contrail affect has been discussed here and it was very clear that a single plane could not make a chemical trail very long at all based on the capacity and the density needed to be visible.
In the US military a C-5 Gallaxy is the largest cargo plain in inventory. Should we be looking into them for spraying apparatus?

Remember, in order for this to be a military operation, you would need planes, crew, ground crew, maintenance people, logistic specialist, Loadmasters, and many other people to be "in the know" for this to happen. I can say as a former member of the USAF as a flight line technician, I have never seen any evidence of this happening. If it was on such a grand scale, wouldn't there be some accountability?




This is truly pathetic. You are trying to believe with all you heart, mind and will that a plane of jumbo proportion cannot disperse substance for 10 mins or more and even control the out let release to do as instructed?

Are you really trying to say that if that giant big bloody plane was filled with cans of bright red aerosol paints all connected (with control values, dur) so that the paint could be sprayed out of the plane, the paint couldn’t leave an enormous trail? Like what you claim is just contrails?


So once you have sprayed your paint (or other substance) out of the plane, how does that substance multiply sufficiently to spread out and cover the sky without thinning out? When a contrail does this it is through the nucleation and freezing of moisture in the stratosphere. How do chemtrails do it?

Your unflinching faith and belief in the ability of *any* military to conduct a global operation over several decades with *absolute* secrecy (except for some people who write on the web about it) is touchingly naive.

If the secrecy is SO tight, and no one can ever talk and that's why there's no physical evidence, why do all those websites even exist at all?

Nah, forget that,why would you bother with logic and reason?
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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If there were such a spraying operation, then it would need to be conducted around the equator to be most effective. So we'd never seen anything up here anyway.

The base on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean would be a logical base.

But we'd no more see a chemtrail over America or Europe than see a giant lunar snail eating mulberry bushes.

Although no-one has ever explained why any such spraying would - or could - be visible from the ground. The big stumbling block in all the chemtrail fantasies .....

No-one has ever shown a picture of high level spraying of anything. Ever.

And people wonder why we are sceptics?


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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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sunnynights
This is truly pathetic. You are trying to believe with all you heart, mind and will that a plane of jumbo proportion cannot disperse substance for 10 mins or more and even control the out let release to do as instructed?


Do you actually know how much water there is in a contrail that is, say, 100km long??


Are you really trying to say that if that giant big bloody plane was filled with cans of bright red aerosol paints all connected (with control values, dur) so that the paint could be sprayed out of the plane, the paint couldn’t leave an enormous trail? Like what you claim is just contrails?


Apaprently no - you have no idea.

So let's do the math for you -

The wiki page on cirrus clouds says they can be anywhere from 100-8000m thick, with an average of 1,500m. And it is pretty easy to see they often cover a wide area of sky.

So for the purpose of this calculation I am going to use a "contrail induced cirrus" that is 100m thick, 1km wide and 100km long - not an unsual size for a persitent contrails - that means it is 100*1000*100,000m = 10,000,000,000 cubic metres (10 Trillion cubic metres).

this site gives a water denity of between 0.002 and 0.03 g/m^3 for cirrus cloud, depending on ice crystal size and temperature.

At the lower figure 0.002 grams per cubic meter that is 10 Trillion x 0.002 grams, and then divided by 1000 to get Kg, and 1000 again to get tonnes - a "mere" 20 tons of water!

But of course persistent contrails can be many hundreds of Km long - the distance from horizon to horizon is about 650km - which would be about 130 tonnes - and for a 3000km contrail that's up towards 600 tonnes - well beyond the lift capability of any aircraft today!



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 08:40 AM
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See that’s the problem with your dream of all the sheepoele going back to sleep. You want to talk about contrails and water and we are talking about Climate engineering. Here is a Wiki link all about it en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Climate Engineering Wiki
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posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 08:45 AM
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sunnynights
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See that’s the problem with your dream of all the sheepoele going back to sleep. You want to talk about contrails and water and we are talking about Climate engineering. Here is a Wiki link all about it en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Climate Engineering Wiki
edit on 20-2-2014 by sunnynights because: (no reason given)


You are only talking about climate engineering because someone told you that contrails were climate engineering. Do you believe everything based on authority?



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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AndyMayhew
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If there were such a spraying operation, then it would need to be conducted around the equator to be most effective. So we'd never seen anything up here anyway.

The base on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean would be a logical base.

But we'd no more see a chemtrail over America or Europe than see a giant lunar snail eating mulberry bushes.

Although no-one has ever explained why any such spraying would - or could - be visible from the ground. The big stumbling block in all the chemtrail fantasies .....

No-one has ever shown a picture of high level spraying of anything. Ever.

And people wonder why we are sceptics?


edit on 19-2-2014 by AndyMayhew because: (no reason given)


The video thanks to the member below will set you straight on that no evidence, not one pitcture crap you just tryed to pull. Enjoy


luxordelphi

Witness2008
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Perhaps you have already seen the latest from Geoengineering Watch, posting just in case you haven't.

www.youtube.com...

I'm watching it now, incredible.




Was finally able to watch the video that you put up from Geoengineering Watch dated Jan. 30, 2014. What a ride!! Totally confronting and very eloquently presented. A friend of mine is already making copies and putting it up on his website. The copies are because on the internet, these days, you never know if anybody really ever gets anything or not. If you hand somebody something, you know they got it. word of mouth: tried and true! Thank you for finding that out and taking the time to put it up here!


you tube
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posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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Thanks for that. LuckY your here to tell me, FWW

Get with it



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:01 AM
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In the first 45 seconds of that video there were at least 5 lies told. He clearly has no idea what contrails are and how weather works. This is why the chemtrail theory is treated as comical as it is. Sheer stupidity masquerading as science.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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Straight off the bat that guy in the video is spewing BS and showing videos which are of nothing more than normal contrails "period".

These people have some neck standing in front of an audience and lying their asses of.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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sunnynights
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


See that’s the problem with your dream of all the sheepoele going back to sleep. You want to talk about contrails and water and we are talking about Climate engineering. Here is a Wiki link all about it en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Climate Engineering Wiki
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First, let me fix your broken link:
Climate Engineering Wiki

Secondly, that article says nothing about contrails/chemtrails, which is the point of this thread -- the topic of this thread is that those white puffy trails in the sky (that most of us I say are CONtrails) are really CHEMtrails that have been sprayed for the purpose of a DELIBERATE climate manipulation program. Where in that article are contrails/chemtrails discussed?

Third, nobody here is disputing that geoengineering and climate engineering exist as concepts, and that people may have plans to attempt such ideas, and have even done so on small proof-of-concept scales. I mean, the idea of global warming has been around for decades, so it is obvious that there may be people who are trying to reverse global climate change.

To keep saying we are "sheeple" because we don't believe in the concept of geoengineering and climate engineering is a strawman argument -- because nobody here has disputed that there are people looking into geoengineering and climate engineering.

But like I said, what does all that have to do with the more specific topic of this thread?, which is that those white puffy lines in the sky most of us I say are CONtrails are really CHEMtrails that are chemicals that have been sprayed for the purpose of a DELIBERATE climate manipulation program.

Please explain why you feel this is true. Show me the evidence that convinced YOU that this is true. Also, please explain how you confirmed this evidence -- i.e., if someone in a video tells you that a trail is a chemtrail, please explain how you confirmed that it was a chemtrail (and not just a contrail)-- or did you just "blindly believe" what the person in the video told you...

...and if you are just blindly believing what people tell you in videos without attempting to confirm what they are saying, then YOU are the one being a "sheeple".


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posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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I asked you a question. Are you able to offer an explanation or is your silence explanation enough?



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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Your wrong, and we are not talking about contrails silly.

You are



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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Is that all you got?

It was good, no it was real!



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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sunnynights
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Your wrong, and we are not talking about contrails silly.

You are


You posted the link to this video:



It's first scene is talking about chemtrails, while actually showing contrails.

Please make up your mind about what we are discussing.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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sunnynights
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Your wrong, and we are not talking about contrails silly.

You are


What are you talking about, exactly?



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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sunnynights
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Your wrong, and we are not talking about contrails silly.

You are

The topic of this thread is (in a nutshell) "those things that people call contrails are really chemtrails, and those chemtrails have affected the weather this winter.

...so, yeah -- this thread IS about contrails. There can be no discussion about the "chemtrail conspiracy theory" without the other side of the debate pointing out the fact that they are really just contrails.


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posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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Thankyou for the link repair.


I can't make you drink so why bother. You mind is fluorinated. I can’t help you, Sorry
Best of luck with it where ever you go.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:21 AM
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sunnynights
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Thankyou for the link repair.


I can't make you drink so why bother. You mind is fluorinated. I can’t help you, Sorry
Best of luck with it where ever you go.


The irony... it burns.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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Ok well I will get a thread going on Climate Engineering shell I ?




posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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sunnynights
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
 


Thankyou for the link repair.


I can't make you drink so why bother. You mind is fluorinated. I can’t help you, Sorry
Best of luck with it where ever you go.


You seem to be the one who hasn't tried to confirm what other are telling you -- i.e., you seem to be the one who is getting all of his information from an anonymous person telling you things on youtube videos and from chemtrail conspiracy sites, rather than trying to do some basic research in order to prove or disprove what the Youtuber is telling you.

If you are not trying to find independent corroboration of what a bunch of anonymous Youtubers are telling you, and just blindly believing them, then there is something wrong with you critical thinking process.

I believe contrails are just contrails. But NOT because I "saw it in a youtube". I believe it because I did some basic research into what a contrail is, and I found that all of the characteristics of a "chemtrail' that chemtrail conspiracy sites are telling me are actually characteristics of normal contrails.


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