How do you convince people that don't believe in angels,demons,ghosts,shadow people etc?

How do you convince people that don't believe in angels,demons,ghosts,shadow people etc? Who knows?
Bad dreams. Wild imaginations. What you ate yesterday.
I've never seen an angel or demon so I find it hard to believe in them. What evidence can you present to a non-believer to convince them of the existence of said entities?

I don't really believe in them but I keep an open mind to the unknown.

What evidence can you present to a hard line skeptic that these entities exist?

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


maybe a you tube video from the royal society or other such institutional scientific body, but ,of course the you tube video would have to be fully peer reviewed and have at least two non reciprocal links to 50% of the worlds medias news websites, plus an article in time , with link

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You could show them proof.. But none exists.

So in short, you probably can't.

I'm open minded as well, and if I ever saw PROOF I would change the direction of belief I currently lean toward, which is that humans have great imaginations.

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so a peer reviewed youtube video from the royal society showing shadow people , under lavatory conditions, in test tubes and in or on agar jelly plates... this release wouldn't convince?

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reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Well if your belief is predicated on empirical evidence then I think you answered your own question I'm in the same ghost ship. Bad joke.

I'd say most of these don't have evidence per se. Perhaps evidence for something. But how do we know the video captures or eye witness accounts are really for demons and not ghosts, or aliens and not angels? These are all manmade ideas to explain the unknown, and what we are seeing (assuming these accounts a legit) are of the unknown. I think all we can really surmise is that people sometimes get a glimpse of something truly unknown to us. Wether that's spirits or aliens or something wholly transcendent to anything we have thought of I have no idea.

John_Rodger_Cornman
How do you convince people that don't believe in angels,demons,ghosts,shadow people etc? Who knows?
Bad dreams. Wild imaginations. What you ate yesterday.
I've never seen an angel or demon so I find it hard to believe in them. What evidence can you present to a non-believer to convince them of the existence of said entities?

I don't really believe in them but I keep an open mind to the unknown.

What evidence can you present to a hard line skeptic that these entities exist?

There is no evidence to be shown and only you should truly convince yourself of these things, no one else should do this for you but many will try to shape your mind.
Trying to convince people of anything is form of mind control and influence. Influence is not a 'bad' thing either if people are sincere and transparent in their intent.
If you want angels and demons you get that, if you want SpongeBob square pants you can get that.
Since you have experienced a polar existence most likely sprinkled with religious dogma, chances are you might perceive the good guys and bad guys lol. But I know nothing, this is just my thoughts on the matter.

reply to post by TheDualityExperience

Trying to convince people of anything is form of mind control

Surely there is some space prior to that we would call persuasion.

If you want angels and demons you get that, if you want SpongeBob square pants you can get that.
Since you have experienced a polar existence most likely sprinkled with religious dogma

I agree if I understand you right. We see evidence for something and then define it with our preconceived constructs, but do so most likely in error. I.E. a devout religious person might see demons in the 'evidence' whereas someone else sees Shadow People, etc.

I was talking to someone who said," you know when the sun shines through the clouds at just the right moment, you just know" . He was talking about God. Another person said," Christianity is the only religion that is complete". I haven't studied religion or other religions, but I used to ask myself a lot " why are we here, why is everything in a perfect equilibrium". Like the trees and plants make oxygen and we need oxygen to breathe. And the insides of the body are very complex, the digestive system , the nervous system and the vision system.

I don't really believe in evolution, cause say you are a single called organism, how do you simply evolve eyes to see or ears to hear? Nature and survival of the fittest, but with all these different animals eating each other , how did they even get that advanced to survive or be here? DNA causes birth in the same species and then they are just here on earth with every body else.

If you ask yourself some serious questions that we don't really have the answer too. You have to keep an open mind and have the right attitude, if your sarcastic or angry or have a foundation in science it might be harder to let yourself go and have faith in things. There are aetheists here and they go back and forth with the religious, and try to "test " them. If you have your own beliefs whatever they may be or whatever religion you subscribe to or lack of one, sometimes you need to have firm foundations.

I keep an open mind and believe in something, but I have no evidence of anything supernatural. I think every bodies got to make their mind up for themselves.

Why would you even try? Since somehow a person will either believe or make it up anyways. So much crap out there starting to think everything is wrong.

Once someone places something as fact inside their head, it stays there as a fact. There are no known Facts, just another persons view of how it is really. Someone reads a book, see something out of the side of their eye and you mind then goes about making it a fact so it can say to itself. I understand.

Once you think you understand it, then you place it in one of them Boxes and never actually look into it again. Forgotten or say the down side; you actually make that stuff happen, in your head anyways!

So theres a dark side to things, why would there not be? Yet sometimes them dark things that pop up from time to time is to show you something you might have not considered. Then your ego gets carried away and takes a step back calling it bad and places itself into safe mode.

Unless you yourself starts asking questions before placing it in some box. Take a good look at it, feel it, see what is there before you. Still though, people see what they want to see and no body can change that for them.

Really, to go about telling someone these things do exist just means they exist in your mind. Then again, who really knows what hidding in that closet!

Peace

Lucid Lunacy
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Surely there is some space prior to that we would call persuasion.

Influence becomes manipulation when there are 'hidden' agendas in play. Humans are biological machines that follow patterns, it is in our nature to herd or be herded. This is not a fact this is just what I have observed through my experience.

I agree if I understand you right. We see evidence for something and then define it with our preconceived constructs, but do so most likely in error. I.E. a devout religious person might see demons in the 'evidence' whereas someone else sees Shadow People, etc.

edit on 3-1-2014 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)

This is exactly what I was trying to articulate. The brain can only convert 'raw data' to be interpreted by what is already existing within its 'operating system'.