Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast as result of Fukushima nucle

reply to post by raymundoko


Except it is Strontium-90 with a half life of 28 years that is being dumped into the Pacific, and when current flow from Japan is looked at, and the amount and strength of the contaminated water is calculated, there is a very significantly high amount of radiation making its way to the US Pacific coast. See evidence posted earlier in the thread.

The amounts are expressed in liters of water. How many litters of water go through a fishes gills over its life time?

I see the claims about cesium, and it is pure disinfo.

And the latest news is that the radiation levels of the contaminated water escaping to the ocean is increasing.

reply to post by poet1b


I did see the "evidence" from the doom porners, and I also saw that it was scientifically refuted. Your viewpoint on this matter is almost assuredly the wrong one.

reply to post by raymundoko


Refuted? Even David Suzuki, who has one foot on both sides of this fence to save his job and crediblity, ie. I imagine he would have threats to his family and he's a really good man, if he spoke up, so I 've seen him endorsing the food, but then speaking up recently about how dangerous the whole issue is. And that means alot, because they can not speak.


BUT WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT MOVED THE TESTING FACILITIES TO THE DESERT, KAMPLOOPS, FROM VICTORIA I KNEW WE WERE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.

And this!

www.abovetopsecret.com...
BC Canada, Contracts For Massive Body and Storage - Very Suspicous!!!

The timing is when the swell of human casualties are expected, ie 5 years or so later!

We moved back recently to the dry interior, and I keep thinking there's going to be a massive exodus from the coast in a few years and the interior is going to become a city.

BUT, THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO SUED MASSIVELY AND I WANT THEM IN JAIL!

The massive BP oil Spill and all the chems they dumped into the ocean to "clean it up" probably helped a lot.
Not to mention the nightmare in the Louisiana Sink Hole situation, God only knows what kinda stew is down in those salt domes. And if it is seeping into our ocean or not?
Then we are hit with Radiation from Japan. And a floating pile of radiated trash, which we know our wildlife eats.

My point is: Don't eat the sea food.

reply to post by raymundoko


IMO, anyone who uses the term "doom porn" has no credibility.

I have yet to see any science that doesn't show there is a serious problem in Fukushima, or that the evidence of radiation effecting large swaths of the ocean is wrong.

reply to post by poet1b

I have yet to see any science that doesn't show there is a serious problem in Fukushima, or that the evidence of radiation effecting large swaths of the ocean is wrong.

And where is your evidence that these things ARE happening?

This makes no sense.... %98 of the ocean floor has not even been discovered yet. And those dead sea creatures would be ate real quick..

reply to post by 3u40r15m

%98 of the ocean floor has not even been discovered yet.

That's a darned good point.

I can't believe the amount of people still in denial about this, even my own sister in law who happens to live in Moss Beach near Half Moon Bay, Ca in a rented house 4 blocks from the beach itself for six years. When we first warned her about the radiation that was coming, she just shrugged us off. She walks on the beach nearly every single day with her dogs. The other day we found out that she is going for scans and blood work because last summer she developed continual pain in her legs and arms. We're all waiting to see what she finds out. As far as I'm concerned, the populace IS the canary in the coal mine, and many are waiting to see what is going to happen. California would never be evacuated. Where would they all go? And does it matter, when we are seeing radiation in snow all the way in Missouri?

I have family in Alaska, an aunt, uncle, and a few cousins in Nome. They are HUGE fishermen, and live off of their seafood. Not anymore. My aunt has told me about some of the salmon that they have been seeing that looks sickly, even bloodied around their gills. Now, they are considering moving away.

I really don't think enough people are taking this seriously, and are hoping it will just magically go away somehow and that the sea will be just fine, when this whole thing is actually just getting started.

That said, we are awaiting our own geiger counter to arrive so we can monitor the measurements ourselves.

3u40r15m
This makes no sense.... %98 of the ocean floor has not even been discovered yet. And those dead sea creatures would be ate real quick..

Please read the op again. It did not say the entire ocean, just off the coast of California.

reply to post by Aisling

Please read the op again. It did not say the entire ocean, just off the coast of California.

That's still pretty quick to do a underwater survey of millions of square miles of seabed...

Innit?

reply to post by Aisling


Please read the study again...only a tiny area around a research station. I think a 20 Meter square?

Edit: also note other research stations do not show the same.

reply to post by Aisling


Just to be clear:

raymundoko
Another laughable thread about Fuku...

deepseanews.com...
www.metabunk.org...

Station M is a long-term study site on the abyssal plain, about 220 kilometers (140 miles) off the Central California coast and 4,000 meters (13,100) feet below the ocean surface. Base image: Google Earth. From MBARI

The abyssal area surrounding Station M is influenced by the California Current, which is experiencing increased wind stress, resulting in increased upwelling of nutrient-rich subsurface waters, contributing to increased primary production. With increasing primary production there has been a corresponding increase in POC flux and detrital aggregate accumulation on the sea floor over the past several years.

The researchers note that deep-sea feasts may be increasing in frequency off the Central California coast, as well as at some other deep-sea study sites around the world. Over the last decade, the waters off Central California have seen stronger winds, which bring more nutrients, such as nitrate, to the ocean surface. These nutrients act like fertilizer, triggering blooms of algae, which, in turn, sometimes feed blooms of salps. The fallout from all of this increased productivity eventually ends up on the seafloor.

An directly from the research station's directors:

MBARI today also issued a press release addressing the “several misleading stories [that] have been in circulation on the internet.” The press release points out the obvious.
1)MBARI research actually showed evidence that there were MORE algae and salps living in California surface waters during 2011 and 2012 than during the previous 20 years.
2)Salps are small gelatinous animals that eat single-celled algae. They are known to experience large blooms in their populations. Large populations of salps have been periodically documented in California waters since at least the 1950s.
3)Blooms of gelatinous animals (including salps) and single-celled algae are a common occurrence off the California Coast. They come and go, running their course when they use up their food and nutrients.
4)Animals and algae that live in the surface waters eventually die. If they are not eaten in surface waters then they sink to the deep sea. This is the main food source for deep-sea animal and microbe communities.
5)Soon after the salp bloom and die-off at the surface in 2012, the deep seafloor at the researchers’ study site was littered with dead salps. This was observed at one location, and salps were the only dead animals observed in large numbers.
6)There is no indication that any of the events in this study were associated with the Fukushima nuclear accident.

Also, it was 20 square feet, not 20 square meters. So even smaller than I thought.

See the two links I posted earlier. They have all the scientific information. IMO this thread should be moved to the hoax bin as the originators of the story intentionally meant to cause confusion and fear based on a perfectly natural situation.

reply to post by raymundoko


Thanks Ray for the update.

reply to post by Aisling


...I don't even know what to say to this post. If you honestly believe Salmon in Alaska are being affected by Fukushima then it seems obvious you aren't familiar with this issue. It seems even more obvious that you are unaware of the science behind all this for you to think your sisters joint issues could be related to Fukushima.

I have linked several scientific articles in several threads which absolutely prove no Fukushima radiation has reached even HI.

The "evidence" to counter that is usually from a blog...with no scientific source.

deepseanews.com...

Truth about fish in the pacific:

newswatch.nationalgeographic.com...

Also, you do know that there is natural radiation and precipitation right???

en.wikipedia.org...

Radiation inputs to the snowpack include net shortwave (solar) and longwave radiation. Net shortwave radiation is the difference in energy received from the sun and that reflected by the snowpack due to the snowpack albedo. Longwave radiation is received by the snowpack from many sources, including ozone, carbon dioxide, and water vapor present in all levels of the atmosphere. Longwave radiation is also emitted by the snowpack in the form near-Black-body radiation, where snow has an emissivity between 0.97 and 1.0.[

No doubt you got hoaxed by the YouTube video from last year of he guy with the Geiger Counter on a snow bank...but that is perfectly natural.

reply to post by raymundoko


I'm not seeing the quotes you post in your links.

You post links to the typical, it's all fear mongering, don't pay any attention, blogs, but your quotes do not come from those links, nor from the original articles as you claim.

Here is what the source of one of your links states, from the National Geographic article, not a blog.

newswatch.nationalgeographic.com...

Global warming may also be influencing the rhythm of sea snot explosions. For instance, warmer oceans may encourage the growth of more phytoplankton. The scientists observed the largest spikes in deep-sea productivity in 2011 and 2012, corresponding with massive phytoplankton blooms. (Also see “‘Sea Snot’ Explosion Caused by Gulf Oil Spill?”)

In March 2012, less than one percent of the seafloor beneath Station M was covered in dead sea salps. By July 1, more than 98 percent of it was covered in the decomposing organisms, according to the study, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The major increase in activity of deep-sea life in 2011 and 2012 weren’t limited to Station M, though: Other ocean-research stations reported similar data.

Although climate change is a leading contender for explaining the major increases in 2011 and 2012, Huffard says that these spikes could be part of a longer-term trend that scientists haven’t yet observed.

She hopes to continue gathering data from Station M to try and figure it out.

Clearly from this article, something serious is happening, as pointed out in the Op, and scientists do not know what.

reply to post by ENrgLee


If you bothered to read the thread, you would see the posts I have made with the links and the math.

It would only take effort on your part.

reply to post by poet1b


Then you can't read. Because my quotes come directly from the links.

reply to post by raymundoko


thats correct, they are using one sample net of of about 1.5 meters at a selection of depths and exponentially calculating the results.
one possibility is if one passing fishing vessel dumping its by-catch could really bugger up the sample.

reply to post by raymundoko


My reading is fine, you failed to provide links to the source material you are quoting.