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Growing up unvaccinated: This is what happens when your parents refuse

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posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 02:42 AM
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VeritasAequitas
reply to post by DJW001
 


Whatever dude... That's just an entirely asinine insinuation with absolutely no proof.. It's funny how I lived in a house with 2 people who got a flu shot and got sick, and yet I got nothing and was perfectly fine the entire time.. Keep riding the big pharma horse all you want..


Your room-mates did not "get sick," their immune systems geared up to fight the virus, which resulted in mild symptoms. Thanks to their resistance, you did not catch the virus if they came into contact with it. I bet you ate their peanut butter without telling them.




posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 03:43 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 04:45 AM
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reply to post by Grimpachi
 


I have no problem with certain vaccines but I do with many of the pharmaceutical companies preparing these
vaccines unsafely! Like using Mercury based preservatives just so they can have multi-use ampules! I also
think it's ridicules to take a flu vaccines that seems to do more harm then good to many people! I know there
are those people that have their children vaccinated for diseases that have not seen daylight in the western world
in half a century! I also see the way the media promotes this flu or that flu like it is already a massive threat!
I see no sense in getting vaccines for something that does not pose a serious threat! I've had chicken pox when I
was like 9 or 10 and though it was itchy, it was nothing so very harmful!
I find it very hard to trust the medical industry when one finds out that almost 20% of US GDP is made through
this industry! I realize this may be a bit paranoid but this is the life of a realist in the 21st century! I've barely
gone to the doctor usually only to get antibiotic and I've already made it to 45, so if I make it another 10 or
15 years without getting a flu shot that will suit me fine!
As for infants I believe that it is necessary to get them vaccinated for the minimum series! I would also do
intensive research on all state requirements and any vaccines that have been legislated into being required
within the last 20 years! In this world we live in today, there is so little done for the best interest of anyone
but some corporate CEOs bottom line! This is a fact and our reality and nothing paranoid or contrived about it!



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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MOSTwanted
Here's the god spoken truth

For now and infinity. You are the holy trinity
A fatality to mortality
Sounds like irrationality
There is no reality
No, there's gotta be?
That's blasphemy!
You can't deny gravity
Oh humanity
This absurd insanity
Is merely vanity
Thank A legality in Duality concerning corporeality
Its easy to see in totality
That there's multi-interdimensionality
And that Consciousness' locality
Is exempt from physicality
due to its extraterritoriality
How's that for actuality?
The Secret kept in confidentiality
By manipulators of herd mentality
dare they with audacity
To degrade our natural capacity,
those with eyes to see,
must agree,
when looking retroactively,
we are conquered by a majesty,
repeatedly and cyclically.
We've enthusiastically accepted tacitly,
slavery in totality
What about the bravery, oh the depravity
A species torn between itself cataclysmically,
Sliding so abysmally
Robbed continually economically,
and sustained inorganically,
why the artificiality?
Even poisoned dentally,
subconsciously and mentally
demo-ethno-pornographically,
Besieged ever dynamically,
now radioactively
it's time we act responsibly
and end the criminality
Remember our unalieanable Rights and Constitutionality
For we've traded in our morality, rugged individuality
Even southern hospitality
For pure materiality
How's that for axiomaticality
There is no nationality
only one Universiality
I am is everyone's reality


Amen to that coarsality
but that will do for now-ity ......



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 05:56 AM
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I have no problem with certain vaccines but I do with many of the pharmaceutical companies preparing these vaccines unsafely!


Thank you for putting your finger on an actual issue. Big Pharma uses the Anti-Vax movement as a stalking horse to cover their actual unethical behavior. Why are they allowed to advertise psychotropic drugs on television? Why are they allowed to provide physicians with paid vacations to the Caribbean or Mediterranean? Why is the research they do not properly peer reviewed? Why are the references they have to cite in their advertising not properly vetted? Why are they permitted to do drug trials on "third world" subjects who cannot possibly understand the potential hazards? These are among the issues that the pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable for... but so long as there are morons who reject the past 200 years of medical science, and who put their faith in "color healing" while refusing to practice good public hygiene, the people who are otherwise qualified to criticize them have to waste all their time and effort trying to explain why vaccinations (which are not very profitable) are a good thing!



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 06:29 AM
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MOSTwanted
You're not getting it...Guess who pays the victims in vaccine court? TAXPAYERS. That's right.

Guess who pays the taxes that pay the victims in vaccine courts? Pharmaceutical firms. VICP is funded by excise taxes on vaccinations, not general funds.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 06:33 AM
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FurvusRexCaeli

MOSTwanted
You're not getting it...Guess who pays the victims in vaccine court? TAXPAYERS. That's right.

Guess who pays the taxes that pay the victims in vaccine courts? Pharmaceutical firms. VICP is funded by excise taxes on vaccinations, not general funds.


I admire your critical thinking skills, are you pro every vaccine? On schedule?



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:09 AM
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VeritasAequitas
reply to post by carabao
 


Be quiet... I wasn't speaking to you...However, I'm glad to see that your reading comprehension skills are about on the same level as my 'desperateness'.

You purposefully misrepresented my argument, which is not only dishonest but is also very suspicious, just like Pardon? and a number of other members here...

Yes, the Nazi's not only captured political dissidents and Jews, but forced medical treatment and experiments on them that was not wanted, to simply see what would happen.. They after all were prisoners of war.. But it is that totally jacked and screwed authoritarian power that ALL countries should be suspect of...

Who are you to say that I, who have never been vaccinated nor have I succumbed to any of that BS/sickness, should be mandatorily vaccinated or injected with viruses, dead or not, against my will? Seriously you kind of communists need your heads exam'd...


So we've gone from nazis to communists.

Instead of throwing insults and accusations why don't you try to provide decent evidence to say why vaccines shouldn't be enforced other than saying "it's ma right as a murican".



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:14 AM
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hudsonhawk69

Pardon?

hudsonhawk69

Baddogma
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The risk is to other unvaccinated folks and kids and, of course, the few vaccinated kids and adults that weren't adequately protected by their vaccinations, which admittedly happens.


Huh! How about that. The only risk is to other unvaccinated people OR to people for who this potentially Dangerous cocktail (read the brochure) hasn't EVEN worked?!? Wouldn't I just be a regular crazy person then???



The danger isn't to my kids, btw, as they are non existent and/or decomposing in various landfills and sewers, wrapped in latex shrouds.

And yes, my butt frequently hurts, thank you for inquiring. I hope you will look into it for me.



No vaccine (or any other medicine for that matter) is 100% effective.
I would doubt that there would ever be one that was 100% effective 100% of the time.
The other people who you have to factor in are those who because of an existing condition cannot be vaccinated (for instance those who have a pre-existing allergy to the ingredients or those who are immuno-compromised e.g those on chaemotherapy etc).
Where do these people sit in your opinion as these are the ones who are more likely to suffer if they contract a preventable disease?
Since the topic has moved onto rights and freedom of choice what rights and freedom of choice do these people have as they rely on a everyone being vaccinated to convey protection from these diseases.
Should we then remove the rights of the masses in favor of a select few? Clearly you would...




As for vaccines being a dangerous cocktail, well the evidence says exactly the opposite so you are misinformed.
Which brings me back to the freedom of choice....choice should be made solely upon evidence and proper information.
If a choice is made due to misinformation that's when it becomes the wrong choice.
So, if there's a large enough body of people consistently making that wrong choice and convincing others to do the same, the only real option is to remove that choice is it not?
The fact that I interpret the available information differently from you does not make me misinformed. It simply makes me different from you. There is no need to be so "I know what's best for you" judgmental about it.



Thankfully the anti-vax brigade are in the minority so the views of the masses would far outweigh them.
That's democracy right?

And as for your second point the facts are facts and as such can only be interpreted in one way.
So it doesn't make you different from me, it makes you wrong.
edit on 7/1/14 by Pardon? because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:15 AM
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Dark Ghost

Xcalibur254
I'm sorry but what's the connection between the flu shot and narcolepsy? The article clearly states that the two events occurred four months apart. A flu shot takes about two weeks to reach maximum effectiveness. Why would it then take another three and a half months for a side effect to manifest. It should also be pointed out that narcolepsy generally first manifests in adolescence and young adulthood. So who's to say this was not a naturally occurring case of narcolepsy?


You should have another read of the article. Is it mere coincidence that 100 unique individuals developed the same disorder in the few months after taking the same flue vaccine? I doubt it.

Still not convinced? Have a look at these articles:

* Swine flu vaccine can trigger narcolepsy, UK government concedes
* Could swine flu vaccine cause narcolepsy? Scientists probe link between drug and increase in cases
* Scientists start to unpick narcolepsy link to GSK flu vaccine
* Flu Vaccine-Narcolepsy Link Explained?


edit on 7/1/2014 by Dark Ghost because: formatting


You missed my post on the narcolepsy then?


Pardon?


The OP isn't the subject of the thread.

And the irony is that had the girl in your link not had the jab and got the flu the chance is she would have developed narcolepsy because of the flu itself....
www.newscientist.com...



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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Double post.
Please delete.
edit on 7/1/14 by Pardon? because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:20 AM
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Pardon?

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by carabao
 


Be quiet... I wasn't speaking to you...However, I'm glad to see that your reading comprehension skills are about on the same level as my 'desperateness'.

You purposefully misrepresented my argument, which is not only dishonest but is also very suspicious, just like Pardon? and a number of other members here...

Yes, the Nazi's not only captured political dissidents and Jews, but forced medical treatment and experiments on them that was not wanted, to simply see what would happen.. They after all were prisoners of war.. But it is that totally jacked and screwed authoritarian power that ALL countries should be suspect of...

Who are you to say that I, who have never been vaccinated nor have I succumbed to any of that BS/sickness, should be mandatorily vaccinated or injected with viruses, dead or not, against my will? Seriously you kind of communists need your heads exam'd...


So we've gone from nazis to communists.

Instead of throwing insults and accusations why don't you try to provide decent evidence to say why vaccines shouldn't be enforced other than saying "it's ma right as a murican".


You should maybe read a little more about Marxism a and socialism. It's the same thing as Democrats and Republicans support. What had history told us time and time again?



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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reply to post by Grimpachi
 


However, you have to weight in the fact that more and more children, and adults these days are getting cancer and other diseases which could very well be caused by a combination of pollution and the mercury and Thimerosal or whatever other toxic substances can be found in vaccines.

I was vaccinated for chickenpox, and still got it, and I know many people who were also vaccinated and still got the disease.

Look also at the fact on how many viruses and bacteria are now anti-biotic resistant and are getting deadlier.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 07:30 AM
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Pardon?

So we've gone from nazis to communists.

Instead of throwing insults and accusations why don't you try to provide decent evidence to say why vaccines shouldn't be enforced other than saying "it's ma right as a murican".


Really?... So YOU, and some others want to FORCE people to live as YOU want them to live?...

It's called FREEDOM when you are able to choose how to live your life.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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Really?... So YOU, and some others want to FORCE people to live as YOU want them to live?...

It's called FREEDOM when you are able to choose how to live your life.


Do you drive? Do you blow through stop lights because you won't be FORCED to drive the way you want to? Do you assert your FREEDOM to drive the wrong way on the on ramp to the freeway? The key to freedom is that you accept responsibility for your choices. Sometimes the consequences are natural, sometimes they are imposed by society for the benefit of its members. Not acknowledging this is not freedom, it is sociopathy.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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However, you have to weight in the fact that more and more children, and adults these days are getting cancer and other diseases which could very well be caused by a combination of pollution and the mercury and Thimerosal or whatever other toxic substances can be found in vaccines.


More and more people are getting cancer because they are not dying of other things first. Remember the good old days when young people would die of "consumption?" That was cancer.


I was vaccinated for chickenpox, and still got it, and I know many people who were also vaccinated and still got the disease.


Nothing is 100% effective.


Look also at the fact on how many viruses and bacteria are now anti-biotic resistant and are getting deadlier.


Vaccines are not antibiotics; they develop the body's own immune system. Antibiotics are over used in modern society. They are injected into farm animals for no reason and can be found in all manner of soaps and topical preparations. This exerts survival pressure on bacteria, breeding hardier strains. MRSA is an example of this. Rather than rage against vaccines, write your congresspeople and insist that they investigate the situation and order the FDA to take appropriate regulatory action.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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Pardon?

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by carabao
 


Be quiet... I wasn't speaking to you...However, I'm glad to see that your reading comprehension skills are about on the same level as my 'desperateness'.

You purposefully misrepresented my argument, which is not only dishonest but is also very suspicious, just like Pardon? and a number of other members here...

Yes, the Nazi's not only captured political dissidents and Jews, but forced medical treatment and experiments on them that was not wanted, to simply see what would happen.. They after all were prisoners of war.. But it is that totally jacked and screwed authoritarian power that ALL countries should be suspect of...

Who are you to say that I, who have never been vaccinated nor have I succumbed to any of that BS/sickness, should be mandatorily vaccinated or injected with viruses, dead or not, against my will? Seriously you kind of communists need your heads exam'd...


So we've gone from nazis to communists.

Instead of throwing insults and accusations why don't you try to provide decent evidence to say why vaccines shouldn't be enforced other than saying "it's ma right as a murican".


Or you could just read, instead of ignoring the factual basis for not wanting poisons in you or your children. But instead you just speak of fear, and ignorance. I guess you can only speak on what you know. I feel pitty for you and your familly.

Vaccines contain toxic chemicals such as formaldehyde, mercury, lead, antifreeze, RNA/DNA from animal tissues and aborted fetal tissues and other foreign proteins in the form of live, attenuated or dead viruses and bacteria. In many cases the vaccine additives are far more toxic than the viral component.
Vaccine fillers and ingredients include:
• acetone (solvent used in fingernail polish remover)
• aluminum hydroxide
• aluminum phosphate (toxic)
• ammonium sulfate
• amphotericin B
• animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
• dog kidney, monkey kidney
• chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
• calf (bovine) serum
• betapropiolactone
• fetal bovine serum
• formaldehyde
• formalin
• gelatin
• glycerol
• human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
• hydrolized gelatin
• monosodium glutamate (MSG)
• neomycin (antibiotic)
• neomycin sulfate
• phenol red indicator
• phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
• potassium diphosphate
• potassium monophosphate
• polymyxin B
• polysorbate 20
• polysorbate 80
• porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
• residual MRC5 proteins
• sorbitol
• sucrose
• streptomycin (antibiotic)
• thimerosal (mercury)
• tri(n)butylphosphate (neurotoxin)
• VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
• washed sheep red blood cells
Aluminum, a neurotoxin, is associated with Alzheimer’s disease and seizures.

Formaldehyde is a known cancer-causing agent commonly used to embalm corpses.

Glycerin, a tri-atomic alcohol extracted from natural fats which are putrefied and decomposed, has known toxic effects including kidney, liver and lung damage, dieresis, pronounced local tissue damage, gastrointestinal damage, death.

Neomycin and streptomycin (antibiotics) are known to cause allergic reactions.

Phenol (carbolic acid) is a deadly poison; a common disinfectant and dye.

Phenyethanol is known to depress the central nervous system and may cause vomiting and diarrhea (FDA)
Thimerosal (a mercury derivative) is a toxic heavy metal that is not easily eliminated from the body.

Metal toxicity can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease.

Oil adjuvants are known to cause hypersensitivity reactions, cysts and adjuvant arthritis.

In 2000, Congress strongly recommended that the pharmaceutical companies take the thimerosal out of vaccines (it was not mandated; simply recommended).

The drug companies were not told to take the existing lots off the market.

The recommendation only applies to new product lines manufactured. An unknown amount of vaccine containing thimerosal (mercury) may still be on the shelves (see KNOW Contents of Vaccines).

But lets not look at that, thats just science, lets talk about fear and ignorance so you can be involved in the conversation...
edit on 7-1-2014 by AmenStop because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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All you've demonstrated is how little you understand of chemistry and biology. It's always amusing to see someone cry "toxic!!" without specifying dosage. For example, you know that formaldehyde (OMG!! A known cancer-causing agent commonly used to embalm corpses!) is essential to human metabolism? You know that most of those "OMG TOXIC!!" chemicals are already produced by the human body or consumed through food and the environment but at levels that (just like the vaccines) aren't toxic? Obviously not. Even a cursory search on Wikipedia of the very first item on your list (acetone) shows that it it produced and disposed of in the human body through normal metabolic processes. Your ignorant fear mongering is only effective on those who don't have a first clue what they're talking about and care not to find out.



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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That's the ONLY reason I need.... Holy hell, should everybody in America be an omnivore just because a bunch of other people like meat? Why can't I reserve the right to be vegan just like I reserve the right to be un-vaccinated, which IS A CHOICE>.. Seriously dude, jog on..



posted on Jan, 7 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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BS, and more BS... It seems like you guys here are full of it...

Getting the flu and almost dying isn't a 'mild' reaction... Jesus Christ I'm done with the people riding the coat tails of Big Pharma...



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