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How time does not exist, what it really is and how it limits our life.

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posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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In science and physics the concept of time and the effects it has certainly is real. Days and years are not arbitrary human constructs but based on the point when the Earth completes a full rotation, a day, and completes a full orbit of the sun, a year. Time is unlike anything else, we cannot see it or touch it or change it but it governs our lives and the universe in the most fundamental way.




posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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Wisdomer

If in your mind, the immaterial world you perceive that in 20 days time you'll have aged double the amount you have in 10 days. Then you can say you accept that within 5 days a carcass will have undergone a certain level of deterioration and in 10 days the amount of deterioration will have doubled.

If you comprehend this you are acknowledging, to your mind and your higher self, that within a certain amount of time there is a level of deterioration that takes place. So if our minds how power to manifest the material reality even if weak depending on the persons will and intent. You are limiting yourself by comprehending the levels of change. By this i mean we are unconsciously making ourselves old and wither'd.



Nice post. I believe you are on the right track.

Time and space do not exist but are merely representations of movement. Only movement exist.

Our clocks are based on earth's rotation on its axis and revolution around the sun. Without these movements we might measure time by looking at a plant growing. As you say we will recognise the time concept if we see a change in the physionomy of a person.

It is of course possible to stop time by stopping movement but it will be fatal is we did it to our cells and blood circulation. But there is a clue out there. Have you ever wondered why time flies these days? It is simply because we have faster communication (both media and transport).

Now to put it in a practical context : How do we slow time to live longer ? I think you have already provided some useful methods. But to achieve more drastic results it is necessary to move out of the timescale of the average individual.



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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NorEaster
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Are you Wisdomer's girlfriend or something?



Time exists in spite of the impact it has on material things and their structural survival. There is a unit of measure that physicists established when they realized that material reality is based on quantized progression of units - one replacing the previous unit in direct succession - and they realized that in order for quantization to exist in any form whatsoever, it would be necessary that each quantum of whatever it was that was being observed or measured exist within its own existing unit of Now, relative to the unit of Now that was occupied by the previous quantized unit (or quantum, if you prefer). They decided to call this unit of quantized Now, Planck Time, and even offered a formula that they could all agree on for using Planck Time within other formulas.

This is the formula -


That formula basically describes the time it would take a photon traveling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length - within a vacuum, of course.

Planck Length is the smallest spatial measurement, and if you Google it, the Wiki page will help you out with that.

Yes, these measures are arbitrary, but that's actually not the point. The point is that there is direct logical inference that proves beyond any doubt that Time is not an illusion - even if your own personal experience of time progression is undoubtedly illusory (as is all mind perception). Even physicists have to deal with the progression of Time as they calculate and calculate and work to prove that all sorts of impossible things either exist or don't exist as they've been previously defined.

String Theory doesn't work as a bona fide theory that can be falsified due specifically to the fact that they refuse to address the 800 lb gorilla in the room that is Time progression within the confines of any of their hypotheses. And they all know this is why String Theory is struggling so badly now.

Einstein went to his grave upset over what had become of Quantum Mechanics because of the fact that Time progression had been so aggressively ignored by the blackboard junkies and their obsession with math calculations. I guess that Einstein would've been one of those guys criticizing Einstein, if what you suggest is true.

The "Time is an illusion" notion isn't new, and it's not supported by much more than 20-something kids who've just discovered the metaphysics section on Youtube and whatever talking points they've recently picked up on Internet forums like this one. You and Wisdomer are both aging, and you're aging whether you believe in Time or not. Time is the progression of each quantum of Now replacing the previous quantum of Now. At the Planck Time rate or at whatever Unit Rate of Change it actually is that this progression is happening. It's the common rate of synchronization within our universe, and it's what allows all that exists within this universe to physically interact - thereby establishing this universe as the physical whole that it is.

Not difficult or mysterious. And certainly not a projected illusion from some human mind. The human mind is the result of reality. It's not the author of reality.


Interesting post Noreaster,
So if i understand correctly that formula can be used anywhere in the cosmos to calculate the same measurement of duration?
Obvioulsy our clocks would not keep time too well on other planets but that is because they are constructed from the reference point of earth. If gravity is effecting photons and the speed that they travel, would this not make the formula inconsistant depending on the area (planetary distance from the sun) time is calculated?
I think the fact that the 'unit' of time is not really an objective thing, but duration is, has everyone confused as to what is the illusion is when it comes to time.



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 07:26 PM
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TheDualityExperience


I think the fact that the 'unit' of time is not really an objective thing, but duration is, has everyone confused as to what is the illusion is when it comes to time.


Now getting interesting. you refer to two concepts : "unit" of time and "duration" of time.

Useful distinction I have to say and valid in my view.

UNIT - This is our measure (eg Sun passing through sky. If earth did not rotate we could watch a rose bloom as a measure of time (provided day time always). Alternatively we could watch our hair or nail grow as a measure of time.

DURATION - Yeah, I like this one. This is the programming isn't it. Even without any form of measurement, we would still be ageing.

Time is only a measure of movement. Movement is effectively your "duration" .

Can I fly home now. I think I have resolved it

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posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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TheDualityExperience

NorEaster
reply to post by AK907ICECOLD
 


Time exists in spite of the impact it has on material things and their structural survival. There is a unit of measure that physicists established when they realized that material reality is based on quantized progression of units - one replacing the previous unit in direct succession - and they realized that in order for quantization to exist in any form whatsoever, it would be necessary that each quantum of whatever it was that was being observed or measured exist within its own existing unit of Now, relative to the unit of Now that was occupied by the previous quantized unit (or quantum, if you prefer). They decided to call this unit of quantized Now, Planck Time, and even offered a formula that they could all agree on for using Planck Time within other formulas.

This is the formula -


That formula basically describes the time it would take a photon traveling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length - within a vacuum, of course.

Planck Length is the smallest spatial measurement, and if you Google it, the Wiki page will help you out with that.

Yes, these measures are arbitrary, but that's actually not the point. The point is that there is direct logical inference that proves beyond any doubt that Time is not an illusion - even if your own personal experience of time progression is undoubtedly illusory (as is all mind perception). Even physicists have to deal with the progression of Time as they calculate and calculate and work to prove that all sorts of impossible things either exist or don't exist as they've been previously defined.


Interesting post Noreaster,
So if i understand correctly that formula can be used anywhere in the cosmos to calculate the same measurement of duration?


I did mention that Planck Time is an arbitrary measurement, and one that was merely agreed upon by physicists for the sole purpose of allowing their calculations that involve time to balance out unless otherwise prohibited. That formula isn't "reality" but the inference of its requirement is based on the reality of Time as an actual presence within the macro system that we call the Universe.


Obvioulsy our clocks would not keep time too well on other planets but that is because they are constructed from the reference point of earth. If gravity is effecting photons and the speed that they travel, would this not make the formula inconsistant depending on the area (planetary distance from the sun) time is calculated?


Clocks are human constructs. The most advanced and precise clocks are based on the structural breakdown of micro-systems that are extremely stable in duration, but only if allowed to remain in the exact confluence structure that existed when they were initially employed. Take them out of the gravity well and "time dilation" occurs. Obviously clocks are not definitive measures of the progression of Time.


I think the fact that the 'unit' of time is not really an objective thing, but duration is, has everyone confused as to what is the illusion is when it comes to time.


Each 'unit of time' is objective and consistent. You're confusing Time with humanity's effort to measure it.



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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It's a fun topic to ponder. It's a perception issue I suppose. I see it as another labeling system or tool we use to help us grasp the world around us. An earthly adaptation I guess. Our lives are ruled by our perception & perspective of the passage of time, and it may indeed be limiting our potential.

It gets me to thinking..

How would a more advanced human race, or otherworldly life form perceive time?

How do animals perceive time?



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 09:41 PM
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Yesterday Today was Tommorrow, and Tommorrow Today Will be Yesterday, so try telling the Sun its wasting iys 'Time'. daylight, nightime, time does exist and so too does we, ask the Guinness book of records. Happy New Year, and that



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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Thank you very much for the feed back and great welcoming.

Glad to see the idea is widely shared and understood so clearly.I think it would be easier to reply individually to the ones with long explanations, but you are welcome to all those who thanked and thankyou.

Although i say time does not exist, instead you could say it is a misconception, that what people believe the concept time to be, it is not. What they perceive, is of a great distance to what is, to where you can say what they perceive, is not.



ancientthunder
time is just the grafitti of man on the outside shell of eternity.


Great quote




posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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These things you state about time, such as...

Wisdomer
Time is made up of hours, minutes, seconds, years, days and months.
So say you count the time it takes to get to the shop from home, but if we count the time it takes, we count using seconds and time is made up of seconds. To me that says time counts time, an infinite loop of illusion ed finite.

.. apply equally well to distance.

Will you now claim that distance is illusory as well?

Harte



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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No need to get upset with me,im open to different ideas which is why i come to this site but OP just came here with an idea that popped in his head while he was sitting in his garden,you cannot compare that to the work einstein and newton did because as of now time is known to exist and unless someone can come up with the scientific proof to show otherwise we have no choice but to accept it.

Its like me saying the moon is made of cheese and providing no research to back it up,would you believe me?


With your first comment i don't think you read what i put properly or with understanding not trying to be harsh, just try look at it a different way.
The only proof you have of time is a clock, when i say time does not exist i mean for what people perceive it to be. What i'm trying to say is time and motion of matter are different.
So different to the point where they can be called different things and people hold the mis-conception that time is the flow of matter.



posted on Jan, 2 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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NorEaster

TheDualityExperience

NorEaster
reply to post by AK907ICECOLD
 


Time exists in spite of the impact it has on material things and their structural survival. There is a unit of measure that physicists established when they realized that material reality is based on quantized progression of units - one replacing the previous unit in direct succession - and they realized that in order for quantization to exist in any form whatsoever, it would be necessary that each quantum of whatever it was that was being observed or measured exist within its own existing unit of Now, relative to the unit of Now that was occupied by the previous quantized unit (or quantum, if you prefer). They decided to call this unit of quantized Now, Planck Time, and even offered a formula that they could all agree on for using Planck Time within other formulas.

This is the formula -


That formula basically describes the time it would take a photon traveling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length - within a vacuum, of course.

Planck Length is the smallest spatial measurement, and if you Google it, the Wiki page will help you out with that.

Yes, these measures are arbitrary, but that's actually not the point. The point is that there is direct logical inference that proves beyond any doubt that Time is not an illusion - even if your own personal experience of time progression is undoubtedly illusory (as is all mind perception). Even physicists have to deal with the progression of Time as they calculate and calculate and work to prove that all sorts of impossible things either exist or don't exist as they've been previously defined.


Interesting post Noreaster,
So if i understand correctly that formula can be used anywhere in the cosmos to calculate the same measurement of duration?


I did mention that Planck Time is an arbitrary measurement, and one that was merely agreed upon by physicists for the sole purpose of allowing their calculations that involve time to balance out unless otherwise prohibited. That formula isn't "reality" but the inference of its requirement is based on the reality of Time as an actual presence within the macro system that we call the Universe.


Obvioulsy our clocks would not keep time too well on other planets but that is because they are constructed from the reference point of earth. If gravity is effecting photons and the speed that they travel, would this not make the formula inconsistant depending on the area (planetary distance from the sun) time is calculated?


Clocks are human constructs. The most advanced and precise clocks are based on the structural breakdown of micro-systems that are extremely stable in duration, but only if allowed to remain in the exact confluence structure that existed when they were initially employed. Take them out of the gravity well and "time dilation" occurs. Obviously clocks are not definitive measures of the progression of Time.


I think the fact that the 'unit' of time is not really an objective thing, but duration is, has everyone confused as to what is the illusion is when it comes to time.


Each 'unit of time' is objective and consistent. You're confusing Time with humanity's effort to measure it.


Thank you for taking the time to reply.
If the unit of time was objective and constant i would say it cant change from location to location but it does. Even if the way it is measured is constant the actual measurement itself is by no means something that i consider objective. The reason this is so is because i can argue what the time is with you but who is correct?
Perhaps the way time is measured is the issue but until there is a universal way to measure duration that is not related to observing light from a specific reference point, the 'unit of time' i myself cant see being a constant.
I do not get tired by the clock, i get tired when it is dark. If i were living on a planet with a longer day my circadium rythm would sync with the planets resonance. I suspect this would effect the rate of entropy that my body undergoes.
I am still waiting on a trip to Mars to test my theory though.
I am not trying to argue semantics here either, i am just reconcilling my thoughts on the matter.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 12:38 AM
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Snarl
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I like your post. S&F

What do you think about DNA strands and what happens to them (construction) over 'time'?


Thank you.

In basic i think a rose got its thorns because people picked them excessively and frequently and the roses wanted them to defend themselves.

I see this was done by the plants mental interpretation of its surroundings and its intention, like all things subconsciously, until the consciousness becomes co-operate with the sub.

I believe that the universe and everything in it is mental, that our interpretation of it is mental which is the message in the matrix.

There is a fruit fly which on each of its wings has created pictures of ants, this is obviously for the intention of predators attacking their wings instead of them, as a last stand/near miss/distraction.
sploid.gizmodo.com...

Our DNA strands change slowly through each generation, showing through each other generation.
This is because of our limit to our control of matter and our lack of co-operation with the subconscious which is 95% of the workings of your body. If we was to work with the subconscious and understand it like we are it then you could probably just hope to be 50/50 but time limits you like i said in the post.

If you don't understand the subconscious and you believe that time is real then you have 80 years to live, i mean to perceive that you age because of time, instead it is by oxygen, stress, low vibration energies that rot you, the amount of this low energy is what determines the rate of deterioration.

But in terms of vibration and frequency i think that as everything vibrates and the vibrating holds a frequency, the images, feelings and thoughts all have frequency's that alter other vibrations depending on how long they are in contact for and to what magnitude the frequency is. The bigger the range between frequencies the more distance they travel to meet, the more compromise, which means the bug would have needed great persistence of some kind.


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posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 01:43 AM
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Jukiodone
Sat out at midnight "smoking" then having an epiphany.
Did your revelation came under the guidance of mother 'erb ?

Time does exist as physical property of the Universe because if it didn't, everything would happen at once.

Human perception of time is definitely an abstract notion but "t" as the event wave in the causality of reality is the basis of all measurements we make in our "ultimate reality" so cannot be discounted.



She merely showed the sign post on my path, i only mentioned it because each ingredient makes the recipe's taste, so isnt every factor of importance?

The lips of wisdom, open only to the ears of understanding.

We perceive time as a misconception. People think time is a force, but the real force is motion/matter flowing. Matter flows on a space continuum, it just continues, it doesn't go 1,2,3,4,5 or even 0.011111 0.111111. The air you walk through does not goe, 1,2,3,4, the body you have does not goe, 1,2,3. Your life isnt subject to time, but when you perceive it you age yourself.

And yes everything would happen at once, it is, the millions of star particles that we are has found away to speak in another language, by creating a body with senses, in which it can feel itself, that is force flowing.

Tomorrow never comes.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 01:45 AM
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I have reconciled my thoughts on the matter to the following.
Duration/movement is the cause, this is the constant for everything in reality. Time is the effect, this unit of measurement is subject to variation depending on perception.
In my conclusion, duration is very real however time is a construct of our perceptions.
I am open to the possibility that there is a unit of measurement for duration that is not effected by gravitational forces and thus holds constant in the universe from any reference point.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 02:26 AM
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Harte


Will you now claim that distance is illusory as well?

Harte


Yes it is as well.

Space (distance) is movement in time

Time is movement in space

Both are representation of movement.


The distance to an object is effectively the time it takes me to walk (movement) to it.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 02:52 AM
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Matter flows on a space continuum, it just continues, it doesn't go 1,2,3,4,5...


time in biology...

in the linked paper is shown an excellent example of a biological molecular clock that has recently been discovered. this example is empirical evidence that at the biomolecular level time is very well defined.... not merely the "rate at which things decay"... this molecular clock is LITERALLY counting 1,2,3,4,5...

your hypothesis is shown to be false.
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posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 03:41 AM
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People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually from a non-linear non-subjective viewpoint its more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey... stuff.
And here is a thought: Time is the æther.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 03:55 AM
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bluemooone2
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect.


Cause and effect is a paradox. "Cause to effect" would be linear thinking.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 04:03 AM
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True , I see time more as a loop or the gluten in a pizza dough.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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S&F for a couple of very well thought out posts

Even from a metaphysical standpoint Planck values are fascinating (especially Planck Time and Length) as they seemingly describe one end of the "Constants of Nature"- i.e the smallest discrete units available.

Using a combination 5 Planck Values ( Planck Length, Planck Time, Planck Charge, Planck Mass and Planck Temperature) we can describe any unit of measurement ever used by Man, providing a very real measurement of our reality.

It is suggested that these 5 values simply reflect the multidimensional fractal Geometry of Quantised Space (the theory- and common sense- suggests curvature of space probably has a minimum and maximum value) providing natural constants; of which time is one.



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