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posted on May, 26 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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Here is what I think presently: It is real. 75% of what the average witness sees is human technology. That technology includes vehicles capable of going from ground to beyond orbit. In the remaining 25% is to be found ET craft, among other things. ET population includes humans, maybe a lot more than what ufology has speculated. ET has and continues to come here. It doesn't make a crap's worth of difference in the lives of average people. I do not think ETs are more morally advanced than we are just because they may have more advanced technology. I distrust "space brother" dogma. I'm not interested in the 'Roy Neary' experience. Some ETs have manipulated the hell out of us via organized religion. That said, I'm not an atheist, as I see a distinction between God(s) and religions. And that said, I am highly skeptical of groups who see ET as some sign of the coming of God(s). To paraphrase James T Kirk: "What does God need with a starship?" I think Roswell was an event that happened on multiple levels, including as a composite of multiple events. I think Kecksburg was The Bell. I don't know why the Rendlesham Forest incident is so fascinating to some. I do not think disclosure is coming as such. I think ufology has been duped and affected by activities related to Andrija Puharich. I am thoroughly bored with discussions about people's sightings of UFOs. Likewise the ET hypothesis as the answer to the mystery. As stated above, of course ET is part of it, but I think there is more to it and that is more fascinating to me. I think a ufo researcher should conduct a thorough investigation for a period of at least five years without intention of writing a book and without saying anything publicly about that investigation -- and see what emerges under those circumstances. I think that what I think doesn't mean jack, nor should it, to someone interested in finding the truth.

Those are the things I think about UFOs.

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posted on May, 26 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: WalterBosley
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Here is what I think presently: It is real. 75% of what the average witness sees is human technology. That technology includes vehicles capable of going from ground to beyond orbit. In the remaining 25% is to be found ET craft, among other things. ET population includes humans, maybe a lot more than what ufology has speculated. ET has and continues to come here. It doesn't make a crap's worth of difference in the lives of average people. I do not think ETs are more morally advanced than we are just because they may have more advanced technology. I distrust "space brother" dogma. I'm not interested in the 'Roy Neary' experience. Some ETs have manipulated the hell out of us via organized religion. That said, I'm not an atheist, as I see a distinction between God(s) and religions. And that said, I am highly skeptical of groups who see ET as some sign of the coming of God(s). To paraphrase James T Kirk: "What does God need with a starship?" I think Roswell was an event that happened on multiple levels, including as a composite of multiple events. I think Kecksburg was The Bell. I don't know why the Rendlesham Forest incident is so fascinating to some. I do not think disclosure is coming as such. I think ufology has been duped and affected by activities related to Andrija Puharich. I am thoroughly bored with discussions about people's sightings of UFOs. Likewise the ET hypothesis as the answer to the mystery. As stated above, of course ET is part of it, but I think there is more to it and that is more fascinating to me. I think a ufo researcher should conduct a thorough investigation for a period of at least five years without intention of writing a book and without saying anything publicly about that investigation -- and see what emerges under those circumstances. I think that what I think doesn't mean jack, nor should it, to someone interested in finding the truth.

Those are the things I think about UFOs.



Well, first off welcome to the forum.
Its very exciting to have folks from the documentary swing by. I hope you don't mind if I fire a couple more questions your way...


What do you think the Bell was, and where did Kammler go?
What was the deal with Puharich? I don't suppose you know anything about the 'space kids' thing?



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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What I think the Bell was/is will be better described by Joseph Farrell. Essentially, though, it was a human-engineered device based on old known principles. Kammler either ended up in the US or South America, is my personal guess.

I don't give much attention to space children and the like because there is so much BS in the mix with the ET subject in general. I tend to refer to the ET hypothesis as the 'ET religion', so that should tell you where I stand on most any question that pops up in UFO circles. It's mostly a sleight-of-hand, the ET/UFO subject -- regardless that I am convinced ETs exist and have or do come here. Basically, if you hear about it on a podcast or radio show, question it deeply. If you experience it personally, you'll be better able to answer the questions for yourself. I include that advice where my research and conclusions are presented, for the record. I gave up desiring to convince people of anything and that was partially motivated out of respect for the skeptical nature of the average reasonable person. Unfortunately, all things UFO have been poisoned for so long that it's difficult to take much of it seriously -- without personal investigation, which tends to immediately disprove a LOT of claims without much effort. However, being an investigator into the weird, I also shy away from assuming another researcher is lying. That poor bastard may also be trying to share something real.

All this stuff is ultimately very personal, if you seek what's real and what's not. The real question you should ask is what YOU think. That's what counts.
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posted on May, 26 2014 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: WalterBosley
a reply to: 1ofthe9

What I think the Bell was/is will be better described by Joseph Farrell. Essentially, though, it was a human-engineered device based on old known principles. Kammler either ended up in the US or South America, is my personal guess.

I don't give much attention to space children and the like because there is so much BS in the mix with the ET subject in general. I tend to refer to the ET hypothesis as the 'ET religion', so that should tell you where I stand on most any question that pops up in UFO circles. It's mostly a sleight-of-hand, the ET/UFO subject -- regardless that I am convinced ETs exist and have or do come here. Basically, if you hear about it on a podcast or radio show, question it deeply. If you experience it personally, you'll be better able to answer the questions for yourself. I include that advice where my research and conclusions are presented, for the record. I gave up desiring to convince people of anything and that was partially motivated out of respect for the skeptical nature of the average reasonable person. Unfortunately, all things UFO have been poisoned for so long that it's difficult to take much of it seriously -- without personal investigation, which tends to immediately disprove a LOT of claims without much effort. However, being an investigator into the weird, I also shy away from assuming another researcher is lying. That poor bastard may also be trying to share something real.

All this stuff is ultimately very personal, if you seek what's real and what's not. The real question you should ask is what YOU think. That's what counts.


That works. The trick is figuring out how to experience 'it'.


What do you make of Vallee? We've been chewing his stuff for the last while on here, and I'll be damned if some interesting material didn't turn up.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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I have liked the work of Vallee for several years. He was one of the first researcher/authors I read who sees UFOs from a much different perspective than I was used to. This was around the time I found my new perspective (new for me) on the subject and began to lose interest in the subject as such. Mid-late 80s. What Vallee was saying resonated with experiences I'd had but kept to myself for the longest time. I think Vallee long ago figured out that traditional UFO phenomena -- for that matter, our experience of reality -- is, as he has said, a subset of something else. I wish more UFO enthusiasts would read his work, and a few others.



posted on May, 28 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: WalterBosley
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I have liked the work of Vallee for several years. He was one of the first researcher/authors I read who sees UFOs from a much different perspective than I was used to. This was around the time I found my new perspective (new for me) on the subject and began to lose interest in the subject as such. Mid-late 80s. What Vallee was saying resonated with experiences I'd had but kept to myself for the longest time. I think Vallee long ago figured out that traditional UFO phenomena -- for that matter, our experience of reality -- is, as he has said, a subset of something else. I wish more UFO enthusiasts would read his work, and a few others.


Yeah. I think, regardless of whatever his ultimate agenda, that hes one of the top writers on the phenomena. Granted, half the fun with this stuff is following the threads and seeing the wacky hijinks government folks get up to.

What was the weirdest stuff you encountered that you can tell us about?



posted on May, 28 2014 @ 10:53 PM
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Most of that was not during standard duty hours. However, what was relates to technology I can't talk about. Might not thrill you anyway.





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