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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:50 AM
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I haven't read the book yet but this review, from Amazon, should be kept in mind...

"Some wit once observed: "The trouble with confirmation bias is that once you know about it, you begin to see it everywhere." This is the fundamental fallacy which Mark Pilkington falls for in this widely-publicised and well-written book. Whilst `Mirage Men' is not without merit and contains a few small nuggets of interest, its governing premise - that most reported UFO encounters have been the work of the US intelligence agencies in order to either delude the research community or hide secret hi-tech aerospace projects by making witnesses mistake them for alien spacecraft - is completely untenable. No-one acquainted with the evidence at close quarters could possibly be so gullible as to fall for such nonsense.

Unfortunately UK-born Pilkington has a major credibility problem right off the bat, as he admits to being a serial (no puns please) crop-circle hoaxer; a trespasser causing criminal damage, a charlatan and a deceiver. This admission tells us something about the author's character, and should put any attentive reader on his guard about taking anything in the book seriously."




posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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In the following article by investigative journalist Gus Russo titled Is Uncle Sam a Closet Ufologist? we find some interesting information pertaining to our subject from a fellow called by the pseudonym, "Jim" who has been identified by various researchers as Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green---Jacques Vallee's longtime friend and professional collaborator as well as a member of The Aviary and Col. B. John Alexander's so-called "UFO Working Group."

You know; the CIA scientist guy that took over the Remote Viewing program oversight from MK-ULTRA project manager Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and is also associated with NIDS, etc., etc., etc.


Then there is Jim, whose professional history in the subject goes back to his personal involvement in the Stargate project in the 1970’s and as a participant in the legendary “Working Group” meetings in the eighties. As one of the intel community’s most senior medical analysts, Jim frequently communicates with UFOlogists.

Chris Iverson believes that Tom and Jim clearly have differing agendas, noting, “Jim is the person I have had the most contact with over the last several months and he seems to be interested in the spreading of viral memes over the internet, particularly in relation to this subject.”…


“The whole subject,” Jim says in wonderfully measured speech, “is composed of three components: delusion, sociological groupthink, and a kernel of truth.” Jim then reminds that he is first and foremost a medical scientist. “My interest in this subject is much, much more professional than it is personal. That is, 90 to 95% of all persons who are engaged fully with this [UFO] subject are psychiatrically ill, and by that I mean that they are on medication or should be.”

Jim elaborates that “viral memes,”[see below] in which disturbed people seek validation in numbers on the web, is, or should be, a growing public health concern. That said, Jim nonetheless has a real interest in UFO’s, and seemingly with good reason.

Both Tom and Jim seem to share at least one rationale for their internet excursions: studying the frightening potential of “viral internet memes.”

Coined by evolutionary theorist Richard Dawkins in 1976 (The Selfish Gene), a meme is a unit of cultural information that evolves the way a gene propagates from one organism to another, and subject to all the analogous unintended mutations. In the view of many, computers and blogs could function as powerful meme “replicators.”

Richard Brodie, the creator of Microsoft Word, notes, “Most of these viruses of the mind are spread because they are intriguing or frightening or inspiring, and not necessarily because they're true. That's the problem.” It doesn’t take much intuition to envision an enemy creating memes that can be used to destabilize a society, or a freelance predator utilizing them to cozy up to potential victims. Caryn Anscomb writes online,

“The UFO community has been deeply penetrated by the manipulators of information, who couldn’t really give a fig whether there might be any valuable data pertaining to Aliens and contact hidden behind the deafening noise. That’s not their business; their business is information warfare.”

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...


So maybe that's what he was up to with SERPO and other topics? Practicing & refining "information warfare" techniques? Monkeying with the control system so to speak...and us?

The thought also hits me--especially in regard to the uber-silly Serpo story--that by using the Kit's own diagnostic criteria as related above, that he's either an architect of memes or psychiatrically ill and needs to be medicated. Maybe even both?!



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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:29 AM
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There are many conclusions Mark Pilkington draws that I don't agree with, no doubt, but the fundamental point of the book is that there was (and is) government involvement in promoting UFO and alien stories and memes. And that some of those, regardless of whether there is also a genuine non-human source, have become myths. So we should be aware of that, especially those who choose to embark in the journey of investigating the phenomenon. That's the message I take from the book and it's one I feel others should be exposed to and contemplate as well.

I don't think it ever hurts to listen to every argument, opinion or theory. That is only a threatening or dangerous proposition to those who have strongly held beliefs and let their beliefs dictate their course of action instead of the evidence.

Pilkington's opinion - or anyone else's - regarding the existence of non-human source(s) to some UFO sightings or events is not really that important. What's important, I think, is to be exposed to different and even contradictory opinions and theories, and be comfortable not having to make up your mind or adhere to one particular set of beliefs.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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Here's a bit from Dr. Jacques Vallee on his "control system" theory which, it seems increasingly probable, has deeply impacted social engineering. I'd even hazard to say that if there had been no Vallee or Keel there might not have been a Mirage Men. The modern UFO phenomenon--as Vallee has opined--is a first for the modern sociological sciences: The birth of a new "religion" that can for the first time be studied and tracked.

The profundity of which would certainly not be ignored by the social engineering/psychological/neurological intelligentsia.


“When I speak of a control system for planet earth, I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God.

What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power...

“The phenomenon presented by UFOs is far larger than current speculation about “aliens from space.” It raises questions about consciousness, about the nature of reality and about human history on the Earth. I welcome every opportunity to meet specialists in these disciplines and learn from them.

...Now, if you go to the movies while the movie is playing, it’s suddenly different because now it is a sensory experience—you see it; you react! It speeds up your heart, and does all kinds of physiological things to you. But does it mean that Bambi exists?

Of course not. There is a basic flaw in that level of analysis, and I think that’s a pitfall in which the whole of UFOlogy, especially American UFOlogy, has fallen. There is only a first-level reading….

...Instead of looking at the screen, what I want to do is to turn around and look the other way. When we look the other way what we see is a little hole at the top of the wall with some light coming out. That’s where I want to go. I want to steal the key to the projectionist’s booth, and then, when everybody has gone home, I want to break in. And what you find there is a meta-system.

It’s a system of wheels that can generate anything you want—Bambi, Rambo, “Close Encounters"…

.Usually there is a consensus on the major aspects of the physical parameters of it [the abduction experience], but people can disagree on, for example, when there is interaction with entities. Different people may be perceiving different things.

There is a social, mythological aspect to it also, and that can be very tricky. I think it’s important to bring this out so that people can be alerted to it, especially since the publication of “Communion.”...


...Let me explain what I mean. We live in a society that is oriented toward technology, so when we see something unusual in the sky we think of it in physical terms. How is it manufactured? What makes it tick? What is its propulsion system? We tend to assume that the physical phenomenon is its most important aspect and that everything else is just a side effect and much less important.

But perhaps we’re facing something which is basically a social technology. Perhaps the most important effects from the UFO technology are the social ones and not the physical ones. In other words the physical reality may serve only as a kind of triggering device to provide images for the witness to report. These perceptions are manipulated to create certain kinds of social effects.

If that’s true, then the abduction cases are quite revealing….Those questions may be totally irrelevant because maybe that person never actually went inside the object

...I came to that conclusion because abduction cases, in close encounter cases in general, what the witness is saying is absurd...

...I don’t mean simply to imply that the account is silly. I mean it has absurdity as a semantic construction. If you’re trying to express something which is beyond the comprehension of a subject, you have to do it through statements that appear contradictory or seem absurd.

For example, in Zen Buddhism the seeker must deal with such concepts as “the sound of one hand clapping” - an apparently preposterous notion which is designed to break down ordinary ways of thinking. The occurrences of similar “absurd” messages in UFO cases brought me to the idea that maybe we’re dealing with a sort of control system that is subtly manipulating human consciousness.

www.brainsturbator.com...



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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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EnPassant
Unfortunately UK-born Pilkington has a major credibility problem right off the bat, as he admits to being a serial (no puns please) crop-circle hoaxer; a trespasser causing criminal damage, a charlatan and a deceiver. This admission tells us something about the author's character, and should put any attentive reader on his guard about taking anything in the book seriously."

Which makes him not only honest in that particular regard, since he admits circle-making up front, but puts him in a rather unique position to grasp the subtleties and tactics of myth-makers I'd say. Sometimes, it takes one to know one, eh? Of course the adjectives above are the reviewers, not Mark's.

I find some holes in Mirage Men myself. How did Kit Green do such a magnificent end-around run on Mark & John for one. However, much in the same vein as vbsrvct has already noted, it's almost certainly an important work and should be lauded for what we can learn from it.


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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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Vallee is a bit of an overwrought intellectual, imo.

If anything what the abduction experiences are is very pedestrian and not outside of human experience, since we do the same things to animals, in-fact we do much worse to animals than anything EVER recorded done to humans in abduction experiences.

Also, the consciousness changing experiences of abductees are NOT spiritual, therefore inside the familiar realm of, again, human experience, such as drugs taken during surgeries and many other physical mind altering drugs we know of that alter the memory.

The aliens, more than human beings are following a universal law that maintains peace:
That is "speak to people according to their level of understanding"

It is humans who constantly BREAK THAT LAW!
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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More about the "control system" theory from Jacques Vallee:


But perhaps we're facing something which is basically a social technology. Perhaps the most important effects from the UFO technology are the social ones and not the physical ones. In other words the physical reality may serve only as a kind of triggering device to provide images for the witness to report. These perceptions are manipulated to create certain kinds of social effects. 

If that's true, then the abduction cases are quite revealing. I am not concerned with how many switches there were on the control panel or whether the percipient felt hot or cold when he was inside the flying saucer. Those questions may be totally irrelevant because maybe that person never actually went inside the object.



But the report is extremely important for its symbolic content. It can help us understand what kinds of images are coming through. One might illustrate the difference in this way: 

An engineer observing a computer would want to look at the back and open up the boxes. He would want to take a probe and examine the different parts of the computer. But there is another way of looking at it; the way of the programmer, who wants to sit in front of the computer and analyze what it does, not how it does it. That's my approach. I want to ask it questions and see what answers I get. I want to interact with it as an information entity.

In the case of the abductions I think we're dealing with the information aspect. I came to that conclusion because abduction cases, in close encounter cases in general, what the witness is saying is absurd.

www.ufoevidence.org...


DIA TIGER Study - Chair: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green & Alien Abductions:


True and False Memories as an Illustrative Case of the Difficulty of Developing Accurate and Practical Neurophysiological Indexes of Psychological States

An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories. Earlier work examining behavioral differences between true and false memories revealed that group differences were sometimes found ...

…A notable exception can be found in the work of Okado and Stark (2005), who examined true and false memories in the context of a misinformation experiment and thus studied richer false memories. Misinformation studies show how readily memory can become skewed when people are fed misinformation…

Richard McNally and his collaborators (McNally, 2003) studied people who had very rich, although likely false, memories of alien abduction have been studied. One study explored whether people who believe they have been abducted exhibit heightened physiological reactivity (heart rate and skin conductance) that occurs commonly in patients who have posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) when they think about their traumas.

The “abductees” studied had experienced apparent sleep paralysis and hypnopompic hallucinations, which are vivid dreamlike hallucinations that occur as one is waking up, such as seeing figures hovering near their beds. Most had recovered memories with such techniques as guided imagery and hypnosis. Some of the recovered memories involved sexual intercourse with aliens or having sperm extracted for breeding purposes. Their physiological reactions were similar to those seen in PTSD patients who listen to audiotaped scripts of their traumas. Thus, expressed emotion is no guarantee that a memory is true.

www.nap.edu...


Please do NOT mistake this to mean that I think ALL abduction cases are psychological. What's important here, I think, is what our players are thinking and working on and, imo, provide some elucidation as towards their motives.


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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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Great stuff GUT.
I'm not certain where to take this next...

Anyone have a suggestion or two?



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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The GUT
Besides misidentification and hoaxes, I maintain a "top 3" suspects list. ...
1.) The phenomena stems from some deep subconscious Jungian-esque mechanism. Possibly for complex societal reasons.
2.) We are indeed being visited by intelligent beings from deep space.
3.) Some variation of the extra-inter-ultra dimensional concept.
For the record, these days I rank them, 3, 2, 1.

Thanks for your answer and sharing your opinions The GUT!

With the same misidentifications and hoaxes caveat, I agree with your categorization and I tend to rank them based on what I think is more probable. I'm with you on ranking the first explanation as the least probable, but I have a problem with explanation #3 vis-à-vis explanation #2 insofar as, in my opinion, it requires an additional assumption: we don't know if anything can exist in some extra/inter/ultra dimensional realm, while as to #2 we know that intelligent beings can exist in deep space (we're living proof).

So my ranking, in terms of what I think is more probable, is 2-3-1. But, like you, I don't exclude any possibility, including a combination of multiple explanations, including some not contemplated.


While it's of course possible that Roswell was a psy-op from the very beginning, I lean more towards the idea that something top secret did crash at Roswell. If that's the case then maybe the "Crashed Saucer" story was quickly put together and released to the media.

I also tend towards the idea that something crashed, but I can't choose a human explanation over a non-human, or vice-versa, because I see problems with either explanations.

Whatever it was, however, I'm not sure I can necessarily agree that the story behind it was "quickly put together." If that were the case I think we'd see more holes in it, allowing us to lean towards one explanation over the other with a higher degree of certainty. Or maybe that's a flawed assumption on my part.


It kills two birds with one stone. Obfuscates the terrestrial project (hopefully) and suggests (also hopefully) that the USG possess out-of-this-world technology to our cold war opponents. "Pulling" the story the next day would help validate and give credence to the disinformation. Pulling the story could also include the top brass panicking over the phone calls and hassles that traditionally landed on the military's plate as regards UFOs. Nothing new in those theories of course and "all of the above" could even exist without being necessarily mutually exclusive.

I think with a non-human source behind the crash much of the tactics you describe would work as well. Hypothetically, if we assume an alien craft, the story and actions at the time by the military would also obfuscate, in this case, an alien craft, but at the same time suggest - especially to foreign intelligences, who don't take things at face value as much as the public - the US government might have came into possession of presumably highly advanced alien technology. Over the years the government would have time to tweak and elaborate the story in the ways they wished.

But we also shouldn't overlook a dichotomy on the government's part, as noted by Pikington in Mirage Men

The Mirage Men want us to believe simultaneously in both extremes of possibility: that the UFOs and their occupants are real, and that they never existed at all. In the longer term, US Air Force policy seems to have been to encourage those who were already beyond discouragement while dissuading the professionals — the military men, the scientists, the engineers, the astronomers — who might see through their set-dressing to the smoke and mirrors beyond.

The problem remains that even aware of the dichotomy, it doesn't reveal which possibility is more likely.

If one assumes there is no knowledge of non-human intelligence on the part of the government, then the smoke and mirrors might be just to cover up secret projects, and to project ideas of superiority and demoralize the enemy, and those dissuaded to not take the phenomenon seriously - the military men, the scientists, etc - are simply because they are the ones more likely to figure out its true nature (the secret projects).

On the other hand, if one assumes knowledge of non-human intelligence, then the smoke and mirrors might be intended - among other things - to protect a fact that carries possible societal consequences, and those dissuaded not to take it seriously are the ones more likely to figure out there is indeed a non-human intelligence.

I'm sure the propositions and ideas I've expressed only raise more questions and answer none, really. But that is the situation I think we - at least the majority of us - find ourselves. If we take into account all the history, all the available data, then there is certainly an indication of something but objectively we are unsure of what. And I think it's okay to admit we don't know.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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1ofthe9
Great stuff GUT.
I'm not certain where to take this next...

Anyone have a suggestion or two?
Thank you 1o9. Someone mentioned Mirage Men II. Starring Kit Green maybe?


Serious joking aside: Maybe a look at the "weird science" projects of these cats? Seems to me there are some clues there about what they are actually thinking about the legitimate aspects of phenomenology. I know you are looking into that in some depth, too.


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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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Great discussion guys! Based on all your suggestions and links I think I have weeks worth of reading material ahead of me.

I already started on that Dulce book btw The Gut, thanks!

I read on facebook and some blogs that the UFO Updates List moved to facebook? I don't know if IsaacKoi has been abandoned his "collective list" idea in light of recent events but it's obvious from the quality of this thread that perhaps there should be some kind of "Mirage Men collective".

Keep it coming guys!



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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The GUT

1ofthe9
Great stuff GUT.
I'm not certain where to take this next...

Anyone have a suggestion or two?
Thank you 1o9. Someone mentioned Mirage Men II. Starring Kit Green maybe?


Serious joking aside: Maybe a look at the "weird science" projects of these cats? Seems to me there are some clues there about what they are actually thinking about the legitimate aspects of phenomenology. I know you are looking into that in some depth, too.


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His marine science background is very interesting, and I suspect he knows the answers to some of the weirder underwater things. The Sealab II sabotage incident, whatever 'quakers' are, the entire Project JENNIFER thing, and details about the military dolphin program. That last bit has the whole 'anti-swimmer' thing off Vietnam thing that very few people ever write about, as well as whatever the truth is to whatever John Lilly was doing with dolphin ESP. Supposedly that was done to find UFO crash sites, but I dunno - it was the late 1960's.



I read on facebook and some blogs that the UFO Updates List moved to facebook? I don't know if IsaacKoi has been abandoned his "collective list" idea in light of recent events but it's obvious from the quality of this thread that perhaps there should be some kind of "Mirage Men collective".


Recent events? I heard UFO Updates had shut down. However, I do agree that we might want to graft a collective together. There does seem to be a number of folks who have picked up on the same trail of weirdness. I also believe that the 'UFO' field really lacks something approaching the sophistication of the early groups (and I will point out - there was some pretty interesting stuff done). I think we know enough about the history of the UFO subculture to build a functionable working group with innate hardness against disinformation. If we make enough of a presence in the meme-sphere, we can get things done right.

Maybe we could even try monkeying with the control system.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 06:26 PM
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A guy like Valle is the typical arrogant post modern intellectual “scientist”
Who doesn’t understand the basic and simple reality( or more likely he understands but is hired to obfuscate) that if the aliens are at all intelligent their only agenda would be to try to understand why a smart guy like the Vallee types are so smart they created the atomic bomb.

His theories likely are to obfuscate this

The Kit Green types, which I include Vallee, Puharich, Alexander, the Satanist guy and a few others, are the modern priesthood of the ruling class: scientific mystics.

When they obfuscate the AlienUFO phenomena the most important thing they do is hide not if the aliens are real or not but WHY THEY ARE HERE.

That is likely the biggest secret they want to hide

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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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Willtell
A guy like Valle is the typical arrogant post modern intellectual “scientist”
Who doesn’t understand the basic and simple reality( or more likely he understands but is hired to obfuscate) that if the aliens are at all intelligent their only agenda would be to try to understand why a smart guy like the Vallee types are so smart they created the atomic bomb.

His theories likely are to obfuscate this

The Kit Green types, which I include Vallee, Puharich, Alexander, the Satanist guy and a few others, are the modern priesthood of the ruling class: scientific mystics.

When they obfuscate the AlienUFO phenomena the most important thing they do is hide not if the aliens are real or not but WHY THEY ARE HERE.

That is likely the biggest secret they want to hide

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The post-modern approach is more valid than you'd think. Marshall McLuhan and all.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 10:44 PM
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Gut, do you see the Aviary as still active?
If so, what is your idea of what there are doing now?



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 12:39 AM
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Willtell
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Gut, do you see the Aviary as still active?
If so, what is your idea of what there are doing now?


I suspect The Order of the Dolphin has supplanted the aviary.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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Statistical drift I very powerful in this area. For example, if one abductee reports seeing a hybrid baby, that is a bit weird, to say the least. But if another and another report the same thing, it is not likely to be a false memory. Various themes have emerged from investigating abduction reports and while it is hard to say if any particular memory is real, emergent themes make for a strong argument because of their persistence. I am very persuaded by Jacob's book, The Threat.

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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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This sounds interesting...

www.ufoevidence.org...
TMJ-12 is a ULTRA TOP SECRET Research and Development, Intelligence Operation established by President Truman on September 24, 1947. MJ-12 was a "Committee" set up inside the NSC. In 1954, President Eisenhower signed the Secret Executive Order, "Order Number 54-12".(NSC=National Security Counsel) The NSC called this group the "54-12" committee which gave the President responsibility of approving all "Black" covert projects. This committee has undergone several changes over the years, and since then, has been called the "Special Committee"; the "303 Committee" and currently the "40 Committee". It is described as the "Directorate" of the NSC. The "40 Committee" (PI-40) has access to advanced technology and teams to cover-up, "the cover-ups". In the past, this committee was headed by Dr. Henry Kissenger (Code name: "The Overseer") ext





OPERATION MAJORITY - CR-20M7/6.2 - FILE: MTR/K-25 MWC/JL - AFMWC/1972 USN Operation Majority is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project and all consequences of Alien presence on earth. MAJESTY was listed as the code name for the President of the United States for communications concerning this information. GRUDGE contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of the United States investigation of the Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) and Identified Alien Crafts (IACs). The project was funded by the CIA, (confidential funds, non-appropriated) and money from the illicit drug trade. (It was rumored in the higher echelon's of the Air Force that participation in the illegal drug trade was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society.) The purpose of GRUDGE was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from UFO & IAC sightings as well as contacts with Alien Life Forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Air Force Space Program, (ULTRA TOP SECRET).





JASON SOCIETY (Jason Scholars) Former President Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as the Jason Society (or Jason Scholars) under the leadership of the following; Director of Central Intelligence, Allen Welsh Dulles, Dr Zbigniew Brzezinski, President of the Trilateral Commission from 1973 until 1976, and Dr. Henry Kissenger, leader of the scientific effort, to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deceptions and find the truth of the Alien question. The society was made up of thirty two (32) of the most prominent men in the USA. MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group inside the Jason Society. The top 12 members of the 32 members of the Jason Society were designated as MJ-12. MJ-12 has control of everything. They are designated by the code J-1, J-2, J-3, etc. all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of Central Intelligence was appointed J-1 and is the Director of the MJ-12 group. MJ-12 use to only be responsible to the President of the United States (not true anymore). The actual cost of funding the Alien connected projects is higher than anything you could imagine! Believe it or not, MJ-12 runs most of the worlds illegal drug trade. This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from congress and the people of the United States. It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak and undesired elements of our society.
www.ufoevidence.org...




A secret meeting place was constructed for the MJ-12 group in Maryland and is only accessible by air. It contains full living, recreational, and other facilities for the MJ-12 group and the Jason Society. It is code named "The Country Club". The land for The Country Club was donated by the Rockerfeller family. Only those with ULTRA TOP SECRET - MAJI clearances are allowed to go there. MAJI - Majority Agency for Joint Intelligence. All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this agency. This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA, DIA, and the Office of Naval Intelligence. This is a very powerful organization and all Alien projects are under its control. MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all Alien connected material, projects, and information.



Overall GUT may be right about the disinformation scams. But we don’t know the exact details.

Interestingly Doty claims that Serpo is legit and Green that it is a hoax, typical misinformation method of these deceivers.

So we have to deduce that they have succeeded somewhat in their controlling the AlienUFO info, and gone back underground buried within the infrastructure and bureaucracy of the gov…



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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Interestingly Doty claims that Serpo is legit and Green that it is a hoax, typical misinformation method of these deceivers.

No, Doty maintains that Serpo was a hoax, but he had nothing to do with it and doesn't know who created it. He does maintain, however, that some of the information in it is true.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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Willtell
Interestingly Doty claims that Serpo is legit and Green that it is a hoax, typical misinformation method of these deceivers.

What Doty claims and tells some people probably is the opposite of what he personally believes. There's some indications that Doty seemed interested that some people believed and promoted Serpo, but whether that's because he wanted the Serpo story to spread for some reason, or because he just enjoys deceiving people for fun, that's anyone's guess.

For example, from Mirage Men I got the impression that Rick was interested in Bill Ryan believing and promoting Serpo, but not in that Pilkington would.

Rick looked up suddenly. Bill Ryan had appeared at our table.
‘Rick! Great to see you, we'll talk later! Hi guys!’
‘Hey Bill, what are you doing? Care to join us?’
‘No thanks, I've been invited to a private screening of a video. It's an interview with a live extraterrestrial. I'd take you along but only six of us have been invited. See you later!’
Bill strode out of the foyer, clearly in his element, already settled into the starry folds of the community's inner sanctum.
‘I've seen that video,’ said Rick, a touch of disdain in his voice. ‘It's bull#.’
He looked at us both seriously for a moment. ‘You're not with Bill, are you?’
‘With him? No, we're not traveling with him, if that's what you mean. We're here to film him, but we don't know him well.’
Rick looked relieved. (p. 169) ...

When Rick wasn't with us, he was with Bill Ryan. Rick was reluctant to talk about the Serpo story with us, but the subject always came up when Bill was around. (p. 211)


So we have to deduce that they have succeeded somewhat in their controlling the AlienUFO info, and gone back underground buried within the infrastructure and bureaucracy of the gov…

Probably in contrast to what others believe, I actually think "The Aviary" were just an informal group of people who were/are interested in the UFO phenomenon and exchanged ideas and information, in hopes of finding out "the truth." Kind of like if some of us in this thread communicated in private about our interest in UFOs, exchanged ideas and information, evaluated information and stories put out by others, someone might refer to us, as per FelixB's suggestion, the "Mirage Men Collective."

Of course those alleged to have been in "The Aviary" group, unlike most of us here, seem to have been intelligence, military, government agents and scientists, so generally it is assumed by those in the UFO community as it being either a group tasked with covering up UFOs or government insiders working towards 'disclosure.'

Presently I don't adhere to either, and I think the answer is actually less straightforward than any of those options.



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