Mirage Men is out.

I decided to look for references in the book regarding Bill McGarity/Jason Bishop and found these that could be of interest:

What was apparent from this expedition was that something did in fact crash at this location. It was also apparent that Paul was providing correct, factual information about certain aspects of the “aerial missions” he was performing in the area. Before leaving the area, we started taking random pictures. When we returned to town, we each went back to our normal routines. Dr. Gille eventually wrote a short report on his observations, and Bill (McGarity) also wrote a short summary of the events, under the name of Jason Bishop. (pp. 129-130)

Gabe (Valdez) was always helpful and gracious to anyone who ever came to Dulce searching for information about the mutilations, UFOs, or any other matter for that case. His personality was what led to his friendship with Paul and his involvement with the wide variety of people with questions about Dulce and the strange events in the area. And this was the case with Bill (McGarity): When Bill arrived in Dulce, he stated that he worked for Los Alamos National Labs, which was later verified to be true. He also claimed that he worked at Area 51 on the electronic systems of the stealth aircraft, which according to his resume is also true. What Bill never mentioned, according to his resume, were his NSA and CIA security clearances. He never mentioned some of the projects he was involved with, which are still classified according to his resume. (pp. 133-134)

Since Bill (McGarity) worked at Los Alamos, he had the photo of the mystery aircraft enlarged by photo experts affiliated with the Labs, which he never disclosed for reasons we will get to later. He returned to Dulce with the enlarged photo, which showed a tremendous amount of detail in the aircraft and revealed an insignia on the side of the aircraft which, for lack of a better explanation, resembled a reversed swastika. (Do not take this information to suggest any type of sinister plot or affiliation with Germany, Hitler, or even a swastika for that matter. It is merely the best way of describing the emblem because of its unique features.) The insignia was never accurately identified but bears an eerie resemblance to images of a radio electromagnetic transmission signal and turbine, which may be a possible explanation if the aircraft was electromagnetic. We will explore this possibility later. As quickly as Bill showed the pictures to Gabe and Edmund, he left Dulce and refused to provide copies of the enlarged pictures to Gabe, citing that his contacts in Los Alamos who enlarged the photos would lose their job if the photo became available to the public. Bill soon faded out of the Dulce story but would appear from time to time after several years to touch base on new developments related to the Dulce base. His entries into and exits from the investigations were always taken with a grain of salt because of his refusal to provide copies of the photograph. His NSA and CIA ties, which were not discovered until later which verified some of the suspicions about Bill. There was some suspicion that Bill was actually keeping tabs on Dr. Gille because of his ties to and previous work experience experience with the French Government, but that was never confirmed. (pp. 137-139)

Then you have the mysterious Bill McGarity (aka Jason Bishop) with CIA and NSA ties who shows up at the right time and place to help diminish the relevance of the crash site with stories that it was simply a stealth aircraft that crashed, which were later to be proven as false. More important was the photo of the aircraft taken at Mount Archuleta during the expedition in 1988 with Dr. John Gille and Bill McGarity. Bill would not release the enlargements of the photograph, which clearly showed details of this classified aircraft. (p. 319)

At the end of the book Greg Valdez includes Thomas W. McGarity's alleged resume. I say alleged because I found McGarity's resume (or at least most of what is listed in the book) on this weird page about Area 51, that is allegedly kept by someone named Thornton D. "TD" Barnes.

From the bio on his own website Barnes states he was Army intelligence, and worked for the CIA and NSA, and at some point he "joined the special projects team at Area 51 for the CIA's A-12 Project OXCART, a number of Soviet MiG plane exploitation programs, the Have Blue stealth plane, and others that remain classified today."

You know it might be advantageous to looking at the resulting career moves of these Aviary and related chaps.

For instance Valle is now I understand into investment banking. I wonder how good he is doing?

Did he turn in his chips?

And the others, how did their careers go?

In other words did they get paid well for their services?

One has to look at patterns in this type of research I think in order to at least form some hypothesis.

For instance, it seems that two of the recipients of the Bennowitz sagas crazy lore of Dulce, Bill Cooper and Phil Schneider came to violent ends. Cooper gunned down by police and Schneider, a suicide, or more sinisterly speaking: suicided, according to some.


Their careers didn’t turn out too well.
Is this merely the instance of psychological weirdness meets a bad end, the likely scenario, or something more sinister?

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ok now i have some actual facts, your torrent etc, fair do's.

arse hole considerd kicked.

(me too with the "gimme it!!! PM's)

reply to post by vbstrvct
I remember reading the McGarity resume now. Maybe some clues there. The following is a blurb from a book written by "TD" Barnes:

EmPv- Nuclear Winter is the 1st book in the EMP series. Book 1 a true to life account of what the world can expect if and when terrorists or a rogue nation uses an EMP, Electromagnetic Pulse or nuclear device upon civilization. The story follows the life of a group of survivors sheltered inside the aborted Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository at Jackass Flats, Nevada. EmP depicts the end of the world as we know it. Warning!! The story is brutal.

td-barnes.com...

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A book is a book like any other, what one writes about is an opinion, he will claim this is the ultimate truth but it is not... Similar to how works by proponents of the alien visitors theory get bashed and criticized for being ;just an opinion without ground; the same can be said for what may appear to be this holy bible of 'skeptics'.

If it was all about the cold war, do you think it was that easy? Why the Phoenix lights case, why some still continuing cases to this day, why so many people are involved, why the ANCIENT people had more advanced technology, and more importantly WHY IS THIS NOT OFFICIAL NOW DECADES AFTER THE COLD WAR ENDED?

does this book explain that all? I doubt it.

Why did no one on his deathbed say - Yes, I created that whole story, yes the US made up the story to use it for the Cold War

Where are the #ing whistleblowers? So do not believe whistleblowers of other worldy technology, then where are the people who reveal this was all a lie?

Don't give me a book, it has as much heaviness as the books that you criticize for talking about extraterrestrials...

For The GUT and everyone else that might be interested in these shadowy character types, there's another one that might be of interest: Mike Younger.

Norio Hayakawa and Greg Bishop talk about Younger on this episode of Greg's podcast. There's also an episode of Don Ecker's podcast where Don and Richard Sarradet talk about their interactions with Younger and Don (mostly) plays parts of an episode from his older show (early 90s) where they had Younger on to talk about several topics including Lazar, Area 51.

Mike Younger sounded knowledgeable and a level-headed guy, and the consensus among all those people, I believe, was that he was at least a conduit for information, but don't know who was handling him, if anyone was. If you try to find anything on Younger on the internet however it's all outlandish and weird claims, almost like the ramblings of a crazy person à la Bill Cooper, Phil Schneider.

I haven't revisited this information in a while but if I remember correctly Younger showed up dead, with his hands tied behind his back, by some rail road tracks.

Willtell
You know it might be advantageous to looking at the resulting career moves of these Aviary and related chaps.

For instance Valle is now I understand into investment banking. I wonder how good he is doing?

Did he turn in his chips?

And the others, how did their careers go?

In other words did they get paid well for their services?

One has to look at patterns in this type of research I think in order to at least form some hypothesis.

For instance, it seems that two of the recipients of the Bennowitz sagas crazy lore of Dulce, Bill Cooper and Phil Schneider came to violent ends. Cooper gunned down by police and Schneider, a suicide, or more sinisterly speaking: suicided, according to some.


Their careers didn’t turn out too well.
Is this merely the instance of psychological weirdness meets a bad end, the likely scenario, or something more sinister?

Vallee actually wrote a financial guide along alchemical principles back around the turn of the millenium. Considering the IT stuff he was involved in, I think he did pretty well for himself. As for your concluding question, one of the things we seem to have going on is a phenomena that warps people who encounter it. Good or bad, it seems to be pretty damn amoral.

Now there are a few anecdotal stories about weirdness following Vallee around. His journals indicate that he had a few episodes of poltergiest activity at home... yet he doesn't seem to have been affected by it. Very strange stuff.

ImpactoR
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A book is a book like any other, what one writes about is an opinion, he will claim this is the ultimate truth but it is not... Similar to how works by proponents of the alien visitors theory get bashed and criticized for being ;just an opinion without ground; the same can be said for what may appear to be this holy bible of 'skeptics'.

If it was all about the cold war, do you think it was that easy? Why the Phoenix lights case, why some still continuing cases to this day, why so many people are involved, why the ANCIENT people had more advanced technology, and more importantly WHY IS THIS NOT OFFICIAL NOW DECADES AFTER THE COLD WAR ENDED?

does this book explain that all? I doubt it.

Why did no one on his deathbed say - Yes, I created that whole story, yes the US made up the story to use it for the Cold War

Where are the #ing whistleblowers? So do not believe whistleblowers of other worldy technology, then where are the people who reveal this was all a lie?

Don't give me a book, it has as much heaviness as the books that you criticize for talking about extraterrestrials...

You haven't read a thing I've posted have you?

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That is not to say that the topic of UFO has not been used for coverup and including for deception during the cold war, but this can't go for all that exists about the topic, yes I Tl-dr-ed

Reading a little more showed that you people believe some disinformers who try to mud the waters even more.

There are the cases used for military coverup but there are real cases REAL CASES, that are the ones we care about, screw these 'alternative sources'

Willtell
You know it might be advantageous to looking at the resulting career moves of these Aviary and related chaps.

For instance Valle is now I understand into investment banking. I wonder how good he is doing?

I've wondered about the exact technologies Doc Jock and partners have backed. Might be some clues there, eh? :

Jacques F. Vallee serves as a General Partner of Euro-America Ventures, a Silicon Valley group that invests in North America and Europe, primarily in high-technology. He was born in France, where he received a B.S. in mathematics at the Sorbonne and an M.S. in astrophysics at Lille University. Coming to the U.S. as an astronomer at the University of Texas, where he co-developed the first computer-based map of Mars for NASA, Jacques later moved to Northwestern University where he received his Ph.D. in computer science. He went on to work at SRI International and the Institute for the Future, where he directed the project to build the world's first network-based groupware system as a Principal Investigator on Arpanet, the prototype for the Internet.

A venture capitalist with Euro-America since 1987, Jacques Vallee has spearheaded early-stage investments in over 60 high technology start-ups. One third of these companies reached the public markets. They include, SangStat Medical, a biotechnology firm based in Menlo Park, California and Nantes, France; Accuray, a medical device company specialized in robotic surgery; Ixys, a power semiconductor firm; and Ubique, Inc., a web teleconferencing company (acquired by AOL).

Other investments that he led for the fund include Com-21, P-Com, Harmonic Lightwaves, Regeneration Technologies and Mercury Interactive, all of which made successful IPOs on the Nasdaq market. He has also served as a director of Class Data Systems, a networking company (acquired by Cisco), and recently Alter-G, a medical device company. In Jan 2010, HandyLab was acquired by Becton-Dickinson.

www.jacquesvallee.net...

And the others, how did their careers go?

A tidbit on 2 more:

Harrington Group Limited (HGR.AX) earlier today advised the Australian Stock Exchange of the appointment of an additional three world-renowned homeland security experts as founding members of the Harrington Group Advisory Board.

Joining Colonel John Alexander, a global authority on non-lethal weapons and defense, will be Dr. Christopher Green, a forensic medicine and electrophysiology specialist, Dr. Edward Stephen, a specialist in pharmacology and bioterrorism defense, and Dr. Allen Bain, a leading pharmacologist focused on specialised drug development including new treatments for disorders of electrically active tissue.
The combined expertise of the Advisory Board will provide Harrington with outstanding guidance in strategic product development and commercialisation, and grow the Company's profile in the law enforcement, defense and homeland security sectors.

Harrington Group CEO Marshall Couper said: "All four Advisory Board members have extensive knowledge of Harrington's ShockRounds(TM) electric ammunition technology, as well as outstanding expertise in less-than-lethal weapons, Homeland Security issues and human effects.
"Harrington is focused on accelerating its product development, formalising strategic and commercial relationships and securing the expertise of leaders in the field. The formation of a world class Advisory Board is an important step forward in this strategy."

Joining Colonel Alexander are:

Christopher C. Green, MD, PhD, FAAFS
Dr. Green is in the practice of forensic medicine (American Academy of Forensic Sciences) and neuroimaging (Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital/Wayne School of Medicine).

His work clinically relates to his expertise as a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. A special research interest involves the way cognition in "making decisions under stress" are modulated by brain systems and neuromuscular control. He is both a faculty member at the Medical School and Fellow in Diagnostic Radiology, and Executive Director for Emergent Technologies.

Dr. Green serves on numerous Department of Defense, Intelligence and National Academy of Sciences Commissions. He Chairs the Science Board for the Undersecretary of the Army for Operations Research and has served as Chair of the Board on Army Science and Technology. He holds the National Intelligence Medal for investigations in forensic intelligence and served as an Officer and continues as a consultant with the Central Intelligence Agency.

www.prweb.com...

Thanks much…Gut and 1 of the 9 for the info

In other words if you play ball and are loyal you do very well indeed.

I think that’s a given pattern.

Though Puharich didn’t turn out too well…and I think I know why:

He dared to research something having to do with saving energy: water as fuel!

Old Rocky himself went after him

www.redicecreations.com...

You don’t mess with their money! Or their sacred money cows like energy.


A message to all:

If you do decide to go with the gov

Don’t cross these people, because if you do your career won't go too well, believe me.

The GUT

combatmaster
The problem is that the myths of other-worldly/dimensional beings/gods, supernatural events/miracles, ufo's etc. found their way into the human psyche thousands of years ago. Hence the multitude of beliefs and religions we have today.

The US military are not the ones responsible since they have only existed for the last few centuries!

Of course, your quote is in no way silly...but I think you are missing the finer-points of this discussion. Happens a LOT with this particular topic.

Please can you elaborate?

combatmaster
Please can you elaborate?

Yes. Simply: Most involved in this discussion understand the general historicity of the phenomenon and the observations you made.

The discussion here focuses more on the modern interpretation of the enigma and why factions within the USG and military-industrial complex might seek to promote certain mythologies mostly birthed in the modern era.

This does not mean, for me at least, that there aren't clues to the true nature of the phenomenon scattered within this wilderness of broken mirrors. I personally think there might be.

If that aspect interests you, feel free to u2u and I'll suggest some threads/links/books that will elaborate more on this aspect of "ufology." Peace.

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Where zeroing in on one spoke of the wheel.
Many here, myself included, are in agreement with your ideas but this is an elaboration of that specific area where the information from the gov and related people have interfaced and the lore of some of the UFO and related matters have emanated form that area.
It’s like going to the scene of the crime…in that sense we are FORENSIC UFOLOGISTS!

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I see.... Well said

I agree that this needs clarifying!

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Apology Accepted. I like you guys or I wouldn't be in here.

From the Mirage Men Facebook page:
"The Mirage Men film is slated for release in North America in March 2014, with the dvd release slated for June 2014."

There's also some discussion of "extras" on the DVD.

I wonder what the average citizen would think if this was shown as a double feature with Greer's "Sirius?"

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I also owe your good self an apology, your right, I bought the DVD the men who stair at goats as well as the book and have also purchased copy's of secret space.

So I've come across as a hypocrite & also rude. Not cool
Especially as I really enjoy your astute input in this field.

I miss read into the posts and took it as a personal attack, IF it was placed up on the tube and pulled as a promotional stunt I can see how it would be effective.

Never thought of it like that. Peace.

As one of the producers of Mirage Men, I'd like to thank you for your interest in our film. Can I assure you we did not leak the film on to the net for publicity - basically this film has been in production for ten years, it was funded entirely by ourselves because of our personal interest in the subject. We have only recently secured a distribution deal through which, eventually, we may recover our costs (all of us are in debt over this project).

Although I appreciate that you want to see the film as soon as possible I hope you understand why we issue take-down notices as any unlicensed releases undermines our relationship with our distributor. Random will be releasing it in North America in March and we have a number of cinema screenings lined up in the UK. We are also preparing a substantial amount of additional material which we intend to include on the DVD release.

For those who have not seen the film (and perhaps for those who have too), may I make a couple of things clear: this it not a film that attempts to analyse or explain the entire UFO phenomena, it really is concerned with the story of Richard Doty and his colleagues at AFOSI and what has rippled out from their disinformation campaigns. Nor does it take Doty at face value - every time he offers an explanation, it opens up more questions, and I think really that is the whole mode of the film: to open up the stories we hear to critical examination and allow the audience to decide who or what they want to believe.

Thanks again.

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I read Mark's book and have followed the development of the movie for a while, anxiously awaiting its release. I won't lie and say I didn't watch the leaked version but, as I said before, I intend to buy the movie when it's officially released because I think the community should support this kind of research.

I understood the purpose of the movie and so did many other members, and I'm sure they'll tell you they are equally satisfied and grateful you decided to dedicate your time and money to this project.

From my experience, those who missed the point and believe your movie is either supporting Doty's assertions or claiming that UFOs are all fabrications of intelligence agencies, unfortunately will not understand it no matter how many times or how eloquently you describe your position.

But those of us who understood it, we appreciate it tremendously, and we can only hope it sparks further intelligent discussion and research into this and other areas of this field, which unfortunately aren't as popular as stories of underground alien bases.

Thank you for all your work.