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The Romans were meticulous record keepers. They have records of each citizen and what they paid in taxes. We have found records of a citizen being charged with petty theft even but there is absolutely no record of a Jesus Christ being charged with anything let alone someone by his name being crucified. He didn't exist.
That said Christianity is no less significant. Christ himself should have said that it isn't about the man, it is about the message. Love thy God with all thy heart and soul and love thy neighbor as thyself. That's the important thing not that a man named Jesus did the things proscribed to him.
Now why in the world would the Roman's promote an enemy of theirs?
Why should they promote Jesus agenda by even mentioning him in any of their records?
Why should they elevate such an enemy of the state?
Also, have we found exhaustive records? I mean, wasn't there a revolt that ended with Jerusalem destroyed a few decades after Jesus died? Followed by the collapse of the Roman empire?
I mean, if the US collapsed right now, I bet that in a thousand years we could find petty theft records, but I also bet we wouldn't know the names of everyone executed. Shoot, I bet that there were quite a few people legally executed since the late 1770s of which we have no surviving first-hand records, and that was only three hundred years ago. Why would we expect to find records of a rabbi executed in a backwater province when we only started looking more than a thousand years after it happened?
Pharaoh Hatshepsut enjoyed a peaceful and prosperous reign. She built magnificent temples, protected Egypt's borders and masterminded a highly profitable trading mission to the mysterious land of Punt. She should have been feted as one of the most successful of the 18th Dynasty kings. Not everyone, however, was impressed by her achievements.
The female king vanished from Egyptian history. Soon after her death in 1457 BC, Hatshepsut's monuments were attacked, her statues dragged down and smashed and her image and titles defaced. The female king vanished from Egyptian history. She would remain lost until, almost three thousand years later, modern Egyptologists reconstructed her damaged inscriptions and restored her to her rightful dynastic place.
They were obviously influenced by the bible and to me I cant accept that.
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
False. When the cross replaces Jesus (or the Jesus image replaces Jesus) it becomes an idol. But it's directly tied to Christianity, the cross is a symbol of what Jesus died unto, and when you pray to the cross you pray to Jesus, NOT the cross. Same for the image of Jesus.
The day you value the symbol of the cross or the statue of Jesus more than Jesus himself is the day it becomes an idol.
reply to post by Dianec
What do people need? A snapshot and fingerprints? Of course Jesus was real.
Just the snapshot.... It would help immensely!
I understand the bible says he was real. I mean, he would have to be, the bible says he got himself crucified. So, he wasn't just some electrical, supernatural, entity. And ok, his deeds weren't documented till after the fact.... umm ok, more please, a statue? real bust sculpture, anything. Otherwise, it's IMO, just blind faith.
We demand the facts......
Mohammed, Buddha, and the Dahli Lama all say he was real
Mohammed, Buddha, and the Dahli Lama all say he was real
The Buddha died about 500 years before Jesus was born aha but Buddhists do recognise him as an enlightened being, the Buddha's birth place has not long since been found, and he was a royal prince and should have been thoroughly documented. It's easy to see how any record of Jesus could have been destroyed / his identity covered. It's just another one of those mysteries but rather than debating his existence and reading between the lines, why don't we just take the good "love thy neighbour" "do not steal" and forget the dogma and altered texts made by men that followed.
I don't really care about the person, I care about Jesus' message, and it was and is beautiful and profound, one path to enlightenment/salvation. Idol worship serves no one. Whether or not he lived the message ascribed to him is one to me that makes sense and seems to be the best way to live your life, but this of course is just my own opinion.
Worshiping Jesus, praying towards a cross IS idol worship
The Essenes, like other monastic orders through the ages, collected and studied ancient writings and had an extensive library, among the largest of the ruined buildings excavated at Quarom. The fact that no Essene connection is made to Jesus I find to be typical of the history of the church of surpressing new ideas. Just as the realization that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of our solar system, it took generations for the church to admit that and not prosecute scholars who challenged the status qou, perhaps that happened to Allegro as it did to Galilelo. There are connections between the Essene beliefs and Christianity, but they are not identical. Considering Jesus as part of alternative Jewish sect that saw this life as a preparation for the next, were not interested in wealth and materialism, and a devotion to God as the purpose of life all fit well with what reportedly Jesus spoke about.
Another thing that really bugs me about the Jesus story;
There is a 2 decade silence of his doings. Wouldn't his disciples and followers ask about his past? Was the Messiah so boring for 20 years that there is nothing noteworthy??
And accounts of his birth must just be hearsay, since the two gospel writers mentioning it weren't there...
AND the new testament books were written 70 to 100 years after Jesus lived anyway, so books names may well have just been attributed to people who never even wrote them --with even more hearsay.