Why is there no real proof of Jesus existing outside of biblical references?

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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr




Just this fact alone proves his existence since if he didnt Jews and Romans would have easily destroyed the myth since they saw christianity as a threat.


Unfortunately, nothing you have stated in your post is factual. It's all a product of your personal fantasy of what was happening. It's your imagination filling in the blanks in the wholes of a history you aren't even aware of.





posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sum

originally posted by: tsingtao

how do you know He didn't exist?


That's a variation of the "unicorn" argument (how do you know they didn't/don't exist?). It's because it is mythology, not history.



how many others existed at that time, that have no references?

Special pleading?

There were mentions of various and reasonably insignificant people called (in anglicised lingo )Jesus.

Though none that were claimed to have walked on water, healed sick and lame, known far and wide, followed by multitudes, had the sanhedrin convene on passover/eve, threw money lenders out of a large and heavily guarded temple (kung fu jesus), an extremely improbable trial by Pilate...and so on. Leaving out the magic, it's extremely unlikely jesus wouldn't have got a mention. Unless of course.....


There is nothing (in a historical sense) to indicate he existed. What is claimed to indicate this, does not and is far more consistent with storytelling/ mythology. Believers seem to at least realise how ridiculous the story is, so they settle for agreement that he must have at least been historical. Even that's unlikely.





nope, you insist He never existed because you claim it mythology and made up stories and if He did, it would be all over the front pages.
i suppose if one starts with mythology, most likely they would end up where you are, on this.
how much is written about the great pyramid being built at the time? gobeki tepi?
yet there they are.

i was not talking about people called jesus, i was talking about the joe blow, down the street from Him.
no mention of that guy either.
there are people today that don't know who the VP is. lol, in this country.

listen to yourself, you don't believe Jesus did those things so He couldn't exist.
who would really want to write they saw miracles but didn';t believe it anyway?

i'm not surprised there are not more writings about Jesus.

who could have guessed how it all turned out?

your last paragraph is so off base, it's funny.



posted on Jun, 28 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Do you think your spirit dies with/when your meat sack is worn out; your heart has beaten its billionth pulse?

I don't know that there is such a thing. I am very skeptical of those who do claim to know.

Either way, I have little say in it. Should it mean non existence, I won't mind at all. I'm not sure it wouldn't be preferable.


Rings true for every other system of faith/dogma that has ever existed; its just following the pattern of an archetype that is proven to work. Horus was the first template for Jesus for instance. You really should not be taking these things so seriously; as most of it is meant to be understood as a 'designed metaphor'. Thanks for explaining, I now have a general idea of your thought process. Don't think I also do not feel cheated in that the Universe will not automatically disclose its intentions to me or for me. That was never its purpose; you have to work at it in order to understand how and why you incarnated (lazybones).

I don't take the claims seriously. I don't think jesus existed at all.

Assuming a purpose at all implies an immense amount of knowledge. I'm skeptical of such claims.



posted on Jun, 28 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: tsingtao

nope, you insist He never existed because you claim it mythology and made up stories and if He did, it would be all over the front pages.
i suppose if one starts with mythology, most likely they would end up where you are, on this.
how much is written about the great pyramid being built at the time? gobeki tepi?
yet there they are.

i was not talking about people called jesus, i was talking about the joe blow, down the street from Him.
no mention of that guy either.
there are people today that don't know who the VP is. lol, in this country.

listen to yourself, you don't believe Jesus did those things so He couldn't exist.
who would really want to write they saw miracles but didn';t believe it anyway?

i'm not surprised there are not more writings about Jesus.

who could have guessed how it all turned out?

If you wish to pursue the genuine academic/historical claims for your mythical hero, it seems you are left with two unpalatable alternatives.

He existed as someone unremarkable and insignificant enough to have been completely overlooked by the entirety of people who should have noticed such a person. Which would make the gospel accounts of this normal unremarkable person, even leaving out the magic (which is what all genuine historians will do anyway)...extremely unreliable and useless for such a purpose by way of being wildly fictitious stories (not to mention contradictory even though largely copied off each other lol) Where does fact stop and myth begin..?

There are no end of mythical heroes who we could also consider just as real historically this way.

Or the more consistent conclusion that no one noticed because whole thing was made up.



your last paragraph is so off base, it's funny.

Yet I'm not hearing the laughter...

edit on 28-6-2014 by Cogito, Ergo Sum because: for the heck of it



posted on Jun, 28 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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posted on Jun, 29 2014 @ 02:42 AM
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originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sumoriginally posted by: veteranhumanbeing

[I]VHB[/I] Do you think your spirit dies with/when your meat sack is worn out; your heart has beaten its billionth pulse?


[I]CES[/I] don't know that there is such a thing. I am very skeptical of those who do claim to know. Either way, I have little say in it. Should it mean non existence, I won't mind at all. I'm not sure it wouldn't be preferable.

I don't know or make any claims. You are stuck on a fence wondering what side of that fence to climb down east or west/north or south. You are sitting at the fulcrum (pivot point) of a teeder todder. Non existence is not part of the equation; you are alive and existing. Your preference as to being a living soul you decided before you incarnated. What exactly is your problem? Disappointment in that you were not given the rule books/the primer to "how to be a human incarnate" or is it you in fact are too lazy to figure this all out on your own (there are some of us that have put some effort into this). Lazybones.

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posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing


I don't know or make any claims.


Your preference as to being a living soul you decided before you incarnated.

See any contradiction?


You are stuck on a fence wondering what side of that fence to climb down east or west/north or south.

There was no jesus, all religious gods amount to nonsensical and delusional fantasy. That doesn't appear to be "fence sitting" IMO.


Non existence is not part of the equation; you are alive and existing. What exactly is your problem? Disappointment in that you were not given the rule books/the primer to "how to be a human incarnate" or is it you in fact are too lazy to figure this all out on your own (there are some of us that have put some effort into this). Lazybones.

You seem to be doing a bit of "projecting" in amongst those assumptions. Perhaps your efforts have failed and like most "wise ones/gurus" you have settled for the easy option?


edit on 1-7-2014 by Cogito, Ergo Sum because: for the heck of it



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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Goes back to when the church decided what and what not to put in the bible like how jesus killed his best friend by shovong him off his families roof top when jesus was tena reply to: Scope and a Beam



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

I guess you don't understand the ultimate parable (it wasn't written just alluded to). The whole 'JESUS" idea (REAL OR NOT is of no matter). It was/is just an overlay metaphor for yourself as a direction or possible life path to follow in goodness and lovingness of your fellow man. THAT IS ALL IT WAS in INTENTION. Not meant to become the 'New Testament" taken seriously (that was unexpected but thanks to Paul created it) and now have POOF Christianity.

edit on 2-7-2014 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2014 @ 05:21 AM
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