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When the god of the bible creates Adam and Eve, Without knowledge of the difference between right and wrong, And then punishes them for eating from the tree of knowledge, It's kinda like finding a wild wolf, Putting a steak in front of it, And then telling it not to eat it. Then when it does, you torture it (and every other wolf) for eternity.
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Not to mention the advantage you hold over religious people when you swoop into a thread. And bash the hell out of everything they believe of this existence. Without first putting your own ideology on the table to also be viewed under a microscope. And blaming religion on God, won't fly either. Religion is with man but God is in heaven. And he and also not everyone who believes in him, by way of Christ, is religious. I my self am not religious.
reply to post by C21H30O2I
Do you actually believe this nonsense? So people have rights, but don't have the right to have ideas? Clearly not a lot of them floating around up there thats for sure...
ETA: This thread is just one more example of why this subject is completely pointless. We could sit around and have this discussion for thousands of years (hell, we HAVE had it for thousands of years) and nothing will change. People who hold on to one belief will refuse to acknowledge the other. How many of us have ever REALLY changed our minds about such a big topic? I know I have. But I doubt we'll be seeing any life changing swings in belief in this thread, or even a bit of compromise, so I'm done with it. Have fun chasing your own tails.edit on 4-1-2014 by DeadSeraph because: (no reason given)
In your race to prove modern evidence is more valuable than older evidence you clearly missed the point of my original post. That happens when your so smart and so right all the time.
I don't want to be rude here or offend anyone, but is there any proof that god exists?
Noel, friend, you missed my point early on, in the first post that you responded to and in the second.
If we want to provide EVIDENCE about Jesus, we need the same kind of things. Not photos, not papers ... but EVIDENCE.
That's my only point, and I agree it should be blatantly obvious.
Granted these details were written well after the time of Pythagoras....but doubting those records does nothing in terms of proving that Pythagoras himself was not ever a living individual....
Once again, I have no preference for new evidence or old just evidence. I don't dismiss the old evidence for Jesus' existence just because it's old, I just observe (again) that there's not any from his own time. Thereafter, yes. Were there Christians, yes. Do Christians imply a Christ, yes. But, because of the lack of evidence, there's no way to know.
They didn't write just one book of crazy claims (which other books did John, Mathew, Luke and Mark wrote?),