Apple Stands Up: Calls US Government, "Malicious Hackers"

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amicktd
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

Well if your using the internet. You could use the Tor network, which allows anonymity. But that still doesn't help in regards to text messaging and calls.

Snowden files : NSA can crack almost any Encryption including Tor anonymity network
thehackernews.com...

If you read the article you'll find that they say it's just a legend, they also go on to say that the NSA hasn't mathematically cracked the software but has instead attempted to put backdoors into the software while it's being developed. They then went on to say to use open source encryption software so that that can't be done.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Maybe all the Tech communication companies should band together and wage a lawsuit against the NSA. I don't know if that's legally possible to sue the government, but they should all have their corporate lawyers wage some kind of legal battle against the NSA. They all have mutual interests at stake.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I do not buy this for a second! I am sure there was a time that apple was not brought into the fascist network that is the inner working of this government and all of these multinational companies, however as soon as they started handing out Iphones for free my gut told me that it was the latest tracking attempt that has worked beautifully! Lol I bet the top executives at apple along with the top levels of the NSA have been circle jerking themselves off to the attention, those sadistic parasites of the world!

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Good for Apple for doing this. Just like the American people should stand up to the Govt. for all the BS they do to us daily... By the people for the people is what should happen, but we see "by the few, for the elite" as the new norm..... Sooner or later things will happen, either peacefully or with brut force, but the Govt. shouldn't be allowed to go against this citizens like this. If anything, they are the ones committing treason. They are attempting to take advantage of us, they don't have our best interest at heart and they are straight-up agenda driven... The NSA/Govt./and all the other alphabet agencies need to stop with this power trip on us....I'm sure this post just put me on "some list", well, I'm sure being a member of ATS already has me on there... But good for Apple, I hope more companies/people stand up soon enough and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH".....

elementalgrove
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I do not buy this for a second! I am sure there was a time that apple was not brought into the fascist network that is the inner working of this government and all of these multinational companies, however as soon as they started handing out Iphones for free my gut told me that it was the latest tracking attempt that has worked beautifully! Lol I bet the top executives at apple along with the top levels of the NSA have been circle jerking themselves off to the attention, those sadistic parasites of the world!

Apple has been a morally reprehensible company for a long time. They have neat designs with amazing aesthetics that everyone could learn from but their business practices are awful. I remember the iMac's back in high school, even back then they could remotely disable your device and access any data they wanted to on it. If Apple were shut down this very moment we would probably revert 15 years in interface design but our devices on average would become twice as friendly in regards to all the malicious behind the scenes thingsthey do.

Not to mention that Apple is one of the kings of sheltering funds offshore away from the US tax man. They use Ireland as a safe haven.

Is that what is behind their connection to "fascist puppet" rockers U2?

It wouldn't at all surprise me if U2 did their big advertising campaign with Apple during the Jobs era, either at the urging of the Irish government or in conjunction with them in some way.

Blaine91555
It's hard to know who to believe to be honest. These companies have a lot to loose by alienating the government and who knows what is staged propaganda and what is not? When billions and billions are on the line, I can easily see statements like these being just a way to keep the heat off, while at the same time cooperating with the NSA.

Seems to me that these vulnerabilities in these products are intentional to begin with, to be used for marketing purposes. It's hard to take this seriously considering that. It's OK to invade our privacy to know what to market to us, but they want me to think they are upset the government takes advantage of the built in weaknesses?

Actually all the engineers I know are upset about the NSA looking for holes say that NSA hacking is actually weakening security. Apple could just stay quiet - now Tim has come right out and said Apple didn't leave a back door so that would mean that NSA found a hole. Apple really doesn't need to do this kind of PR stunt. And one thing everybody does know about Apple is that it makes a big deal about protecting its own secrets and so privacy is a personal issue for them.

Another thing - these are international companies, allegiance is to the biggest markets and that's not the spies. If a German Official wants to buy an iPhone say… there's a lot of reasons for Tim to be pissed.

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Oh yes like very International. They even have a Andrea Jung on the Board of Directors. Really international. Who is Andrea Jung?

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She is on the far right. Notice the actor. Guess she is in on it to.

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By the way who were those other two women in the first picture? And where were they?

reply to post by trusername


And how about this.

www.cnn.com...

Benjamin: The defense industry has changed radically from when you first started in it and changed again since the end of the cold war. Where do you see the future?

Sugar: I read a piece just a couple of days ago that indicated that we really have begun a next world war. We didn't realize it but in fact we are in a next world war. And it's a different kind of war than the kind of wars we've experienced in World War I or World War II or even the Cold War and the rules are going to be different. But the one thing which I think is going to be necessary is for technological advantage wherever possible because we don't have human advantage in this country. There are many more people outside this country who would probably do us harm than we have that we can defend. The only differentiator we have is the quality of our technology.

Benjamin: How will this manifest itself?

Sugar: A great deal of digitalization of the battlefield. The greater use of improved intelligence gathering, sensing, unmanned aircraft, spacecraft, information processing, information warfare where you have a better understanding of what the other guy is saying to himself before he can actually act on it. You can interrupt it, you can disrupt it. And of course you cannot deny the need for kinetic weapons and the actual ability to strike something which is the target.

Oh but that guy is on the Board of Directors of Northrop Grumman.

Well he is also on the Board of Directors of Apple.

www.apple.com...

How about this one?

mrs-o.com...

J.Crew clothing seems she really likes it. Who is J.Crew?

Millard Drexler.

He is also on the Board of Directors for Apple.

www.apple.com...

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


tablets and smartphones are so easily hackable. Duh, folks, they are made that way.

Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by six67seven

 

And i have a feeling if Apple is lying that they will be exposed sooner rather than later.

I am highly skeptic of this as well. Seems like a stretch Apple's developer's wouldn't notice. They have top notch programmers. We are to believe all of their developers, including the ones intimate with the infrastructure, wouldn't notice this software? Hmm. I'm a developer myself. Mostly traditional web applications but I have coded for mobile devices (using Javascript frameworks), and I would identify foreign code rather quickly. That's just one 1 application and obviously there is a lot more code entailed with their native iOS and apps…. still seems like a stretch it would continue to go unnoticed. Seems more likely Apple cooperated. Additionally, that the other companies did as well with their platforms.

You are very much mistaken. Apple prefers IOS to be crap. Why? Because the government then has to buy software from Good Technology.
Good Technology
Apple gets a cut of the sales from Good Technology via Itunes. So it is in the best interest of Apple to have crappy software. Their base will buy their phones anyway. The government will harden them with Good Technology. It is a win win for Apple.

Evidence? Look at the lock screen fiasco on the latest IOS. Three lock screeen bypass hacks. Convince me Apple doesn't notice these flaws.

Lock screen fubar

JBA2848
reply to post by trusername

 

And how about this.

www.cnn.com...

We're definitely in a worldwide economic war. The interesting thing about it is that we're all just competing for position, to leverage our country better than others can leverage theirs. Due to the nature of international debt it's a war in which there can't be a decisive loser because that will destroy everyones economy, even the winners.

This so stands out as apple saying we are so sorry to their users now we are going to name call to take the heat away from the name calling corporation.

They don't care the government is spying they just want to sell you more government spy gadgets.

It's funny that people believe this stuff. 0.7%.

Not saying Android is any better, but a 100% success rate into ANY iPhone. Crazy.

jessejamesxx

It's funny that people believe this stuff. 0.7%.

Not saying Android is any better, but a 100% success rate into ANY iPhone. Crazy.

People who have had their iphones pwned by the NSA have no clue they have been hacked. It isn't like all of a sudden you are getting Viagra adverts. It will not show up on a malware survey. Probably the only way they would have noticed the hack would be from a network log.

How do you define a hack? Look at IOS and how it wifi sniffs. The iphone will sniff nearby wifi and send your location to the mothership along with data about the WAP. This can be intercepted. It isn't a hack, it is a feature. ;-)

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The point I was trying to make is that the whole thing is Malware/backdoors, but it ranks as the least susceptible to it.. which is hilarious. The difference between a hack and malware is subjective, I guess. But if you're able to move files, turn on the camera, and do pretty much anything you could with phone in hand, it is definitely a trojan/backdoor, super malicious malware, no matter how you want to dress it up.

There was a trojan/backdoor called Sub7 for PCs back in the early 2000's. It did all the same things, and it was malicious as hell. Just because they don't leave traces/don't get caught/leave no adware, it doesn't mean that it isn't malware/hacked

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To be fair here, sub7 was a windows hack. Some people run linux on their PC.

The older Macs had a similar problem.
RAT on your MAC

It isn't explained well here, but the idea is the camera needs a bit of firmware uploaded to it in order to function. That is part of what the driver does. So you upload hacked firmware to the camera. The warning LED goes to the standby line on the board. Put the positive end of the LED to the power rail. Connect the negative side of the LED to the standby line through a resistor for current limiting. Under normal operation, the the standby line goes low and the LED turns on. But the hacked firmware can use the camera with the standby line still high.

The lack of local flash on peripherals is the source of many hacks. Some good, like the hacks on those DVB-T dongles that turn them into software defined radios. Others bad like the RATs.

When it gets to the point where the iphone can't be jail broken, I will start to believe it is secure. But at the moment, IOS security is crap.

Everything I have read here in this thread does not surprise me ONE bit! You know that Apple and Dell and MS etc, knows about this but is incapable of doing anything about it. They were probably paid big right? NSA is capable of doing horrendous things that mortify me.

Well this video of a seminar in Europe by journalist Jacob Appelbaum explains the slides for us people in lay terms! The video is 1 our long, but worth every single second!!

Need more reasons to feel paranoid about the NSA? Watch this