5 Days Non- Stop Animal Mass Die in the Coast of Peru Happening Now

It's not an El Nino. We are still at La Nada state, almost perfectly neutral.

litterbaux
reply to post by Trueman

 

"a similar event in recent years"

What does that mean? It means it's happened before. If it's never happened before it would be an unprecedented, ecological disaster.

Sorry if I'm being nit picky but this is all the info we have, if this really is the first time this happened, they shouldn't use terms like "recent years".

edit on 31-12-2013 by litterbaux because: (no reason given)

Your quote is wrong and is misleading, what it really said is : "never have seen a similar event in recent years".

Kratos40
reply to post by Trueman

 

I don't think it is Fukushima, since the Pacific convergence zone is up further north. Otherwise, people on the West Coast of the North and Central Americas would have seen a similar die off or even worse.

I have a few theories:

1.) Seismic activity that could have released methane hydrate and displaced the oxygen in the water.

2.) Increasing CO2 levels leading to acidic conditions in the ocean. The reason why corral reefs are disappearing.

3.) Increased favorable conditions for jellyfish to flourish. Everything and anything is stung in their presence.

4.) Man-made pollutants being dumped off the coast.

Just my thoughts..

Kratos

For some reason, I would pick #1 on that list.

Trueman

Kratos40
reply to post by Trueman

 

I don't think it is Fukushima, since the Pacific convergence zone is up further north. Otherwise, people on the West Coast of the North and Central Americas would have seen a similar die off or even worse.

I have a few theories:

1.) Seismic activity that could have released methane hydrate and displaced the oxygen in the water.

2.) Increasing CO2 levels leading to acidic conditions in the ocean. The reason why corral reefs are disappearing.

3.) Increased favorable conditions for jellyfish to flourish. Everything and anything is stung in their presence.

4.) Man-made pollutants being dumped off the coast.

Just my thoughts..

Kratos

For some reason, I would pick #1 on that list.

I am leaning towards that pick as well. In the vicinity of Peru, there have a few quakes above 4.0 magnitude.

Increase of only a couple of degrees in water temp can cause mass die offs.
Seismic activity, volcano

That would be my first guess

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


I believe that is a turtle - not a crab but maybe crabs look like that there? My guess - gasses since these guys live on the sea floor but that wouldn't explain the birds unless there is an area they're fishing in that has high levels coming from the surface. There will be a spot for release but it's all just a guess.

One of our posters has some good info on methane. That's why this is my first thought. If it were Fukushima a more diverse population would be dying. Are there any volcanoes we know of out to sea?

The species include sand beach on mollusks, crabs, shells, mussels and even sea birds, whose decomposed bodies are dragged by the tide to the area where swimmers are usually reported Canal N.

If decomposed animals wash ashore they are dead for a while. So it's not they are dying for 5 days in a row. Only the "results" of a massdying event wash ashore. And we don't know yet where, when or why the animals died. We can only say it has been from the bottom of the ocean to the surface as we have proof of where the animals live in waterlevels.

reply to post by litterbaux


I think you don't know the ATS T&C , otherwise you wouldn't insult me. Anyway, I want to let you know you've been reported.

Could it be due to the expansion of the Dead Zones in the ocean?

deadzonesinoceans.weebly.com...

flammadraco
Could it be due to the expansion of the Dead Zones in the ocean?

deadzonesinoceans.weebly.com...

I don't know too much about it, it's possible too.

Dianec
reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

I believe that is a turtle - not a crab but maybe crabs look like that there?

Oh crap I was observing the picture from a different angle! LOL

I feel so embarrassed and yes, it is a turtle! So embarrassed right now, what was I thinking?!?!?

reply to post by Dianec

Are there any volcanoes we know of out to sea?

Yes! The number is debatable however and possibly not known. There are thousands, if not millions.

Volcanic activity in the oceans could be on the rise. We do see more on land spewing these days so it wouldn't surprise me if there are many under water spewing as well.

Skywatcher2011

Dianec
reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

I believe that is a turtle - not a crab but maybe crabs look like that there?

Oh crap I was observing the picture from a different angle! LOL

I feel so embarrassed and yes, it is a turtle! So embarrassed right now, what was I thinking?!?!?

Don't feel too embarrassed, I thought it was a crab as well

It's probably increased seismic activity, but we all need to keep an eye on this.

It could also be radiation, or possibly a mixture of both

This only goes to show how Fragile our Earth really is. Until now I can not remember and mass die-offs while growing up so this actually bothers me.

Here humans are on top of the food chain and do nothing to stop any of all of it. Yes, some are due to natural causes only now the causes can be float back towards Man. Not to say all men are evil, some do spend the time and do give their best at working to solve some of the problems happening today.

No matter how you look at it really, it is related to many factors piled on top of each other. One could start from the any point, say oil. Earth itself uses oil to keep itself cool from the core while the air blocks out the sun's hotter rays from hitting the Earth. Since both are now either gone or trashed, would explain why the melting of the ice caps. And who actually knows whats sleeping in them ice caps, just waiting to come alive!

We could say that their are way to many people on Earth. Balance is now gone out the window, some now are thinking WTF? Yes, just think on how many corp went to China to make things. No rules out there so pour anything down the drain if you like in China. So many rules in the US it was hard to keep anything going because of this!

I have so say many factors are at play on this! Even the gulf oil spill is still having effects, who's to say that life from the gulf has some effect for all the water masses down the line? What is coming from Japan is nothing compaired to say 5-10 yrs later down the line. One things for sure, it's heating up this planet!

Here I was told to take a look at what we have created! I see nothing but great pain for Earth and the years to follow. It has me wondering something. With all these great toys we have today, why don't we give something back to Earth?

Peace

Trueman
Here another source :

Translation :

The landscape along the beach also has a foul odor generated by the intense heat, scaring swimmers who intend to spend a moment on the edge of the beach. This has forced municipal workers to clean up the coast.

The purpose of cleaning is to prevent an epidemic that put in danger the health of vacationers and those who decide to camp for 2014.

Villagers demand to investigate this, because they believe it is a ecological attack and never have seen a similar event in recent years.

www.rpp.com.pe...

The foul odor would lead me to believe that they have a serious hydrogen sulfide issue on the sea floor somewhere off that coast. There is probably a major leak going on and could have been a result of the recent earthquakes. The gas is poisoning all the sea life and the birds in the area. Just a thought.

Dianec
reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

I believe that is a turtle - not a crab but maybe crabs look like that there? My guess - gasses since these guys live on the sea floor but that wouldn't explain the birds unless there is an area they're fishing in that has high levels coming from the surface. There will be a spot for release but it's all just a guess.

One of our posters has some good info on methane. That's why this is my first thought. If it were Fukushima a more diverse population would be dying. Are there any volcanoes we know of out to sea?

In this case, because of the odor, hydrogen sulfide fits. Also, large enough plumes would escape the water and could gas the birds over the water. Obviously, this has to be a pretty large plume if all species are dying off in one area like this. And, this is most likely a constant flow of the gas.

Skywatcher2011

Dianec
reply to post by Skywatcher2011

 

I believe that is a turtle - not a crab but maybe crabs look like that there?

Oh crap I was observing the picture from a different angle! LOL

I feel so embarrassed and yes, it is a turtle! So embarrassed right now, what was I thinking?!?!?

Don't be embarrassed. I thought it was funny - and we need some of that in this world.

I'm with the methane and hope they can either rule this in or out conclusively. If it is they should locate it and see "why". Not that anything could be done but to know whether it will grow into a larger problem.

Well hydrogen sulfide is a volcanic gas, so a release of gases somewhere under the seafloor that knocked out a bunch of birds would fit. There are instances of lakes releasing large clouds of poisonous volcanic gases before, so why not the sea in a tectonic zone?

Well, seems that we have some more information here. Honestly...., I don't buy it but have to share it anyway.

For the president of ORCA, Carlos Yaipén-Llanos, the phenomenon would respond to environmental factors such as violent change in temperature. "The stream of hot water has entered abruptly in the area where there are usually cold water," he said. This increased solar radiation and effects on atmospheric pressure adds.

The specialist added that this stranding is also registered with and Chimbote in northern areas bordering the La Libertad region, so it is recommended constant monitoring of the Peruvian coast.

www.larepublica.pe...

About ORCA (ORGANIZATION FOR RESEARCH AND CONSERVATION OF AQUATIC ANIMALS) :
Nothing in their website is clickable, so no way to confirm whatever this specialist said or ask how he made that conclusion. Certainly "fishy".
www.orca.org.pe...#

Also, here is ORCA on Facebook (I don't have a FB acc.) : es-es.facebook.com...

With that said, I'd like to repost this from another thread. Remember the dolphins mass die in Peru some time ago ?

Trueman
Hi Son, as I was explaining in the other thread :

I lived in Peru, I've been there when "El Nino" striked in the 80's. I walked the beaches and I saw about the same scenario.

The "anchoveta" is a little fish which is the key of this situation. The waters got lot warmer now so the anchoveta moved to colder waters far away. That means no food. All dead pelicans found had empty stomachs, according to last official investigations, in other words, they starved to death. The dolphins eat anchoveta too.

I reapeat, I saw that happen before, I used to go fishing there.

Even without "El Nino", every year about the end of summer in Peru (march - april), many dead birds are found on the beaches, those are the old ones.

The only thing I find hard to explain is the information about the damage organs and broken ears in the dolphins.

Radioactivity was ruled out by peruvian government as a possible cause for this tragic event. Recently, I read about researchers conducted some controlled explosions in the coast, they were looking for oil (will try to find a source for that). Even if the government considered there is no connection with the dead animals, it can't be good for dolphins I guess.

Some charts (spanish) explaining the situation were published by peruvian newspaper La Republica, for those who can read spanish, these are really helpful.

www.larepublica.pe...

Update. Regarding de explosions :

(Translation)

This type of activity creates some artificial seismic activity that may affect whales and dolphins.

These works are carried out from a ship that shoots compressed air through a canyon to the seafloor, producing echoes or sound waves for exploring possible oil and gas. This echo produces a shock wave that can harm an animal to reach it. However, this screening method is used in Peru since 1973.

Initially, the second hypothesis was identified as the most probable, but in recent days has lost consistency. Deputy Minister of Environment, Quijandria Gabriel announced that according to the analysis of internal organs, there are no signs of common symptoms found in dolphins when they are affected by this type of wave. Moreover, the theory seems very good for these animals appear dead both before the initiation of these marine works (carried out by the company BPZ), and after its conclusion.

actualidad.rt.com...

edit on 11-5-2012 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

In my opinion, dolphins and pelicans died for different reasons. Will update this point if possible.

edit on 11-5-2012 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Here :

(translation)

Carlos Yaipen, director of the Scientific Organization Science for Conservation of Aquatic Animals (ORCA), said: "Oil companies use different frequencies of sound wave and the effects of these bubbles are not visible to the naked eye, but also generate downstream effects in animals. That can cause death by acoustic impact not only dolphins, but also sea lions and whales. "The generalized internal bleeding evidenced in autopsies point to relentless noise impact

malcolmallison.lamula.pe...

edit on 11-5-2012 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Link to that thread :

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I strongly suggest click on that link and take a look in the other posts I did there. There is much more.