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So a man posts his hospital bill online of $11,119.53 (with insurance). How do you feel about this?

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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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Yet another reason I'm happy I live in Canada. In November I had artifical disc replacement surgery completely free of course. It cost between 35,000 to 45,000 in the states.




posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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MBMASON
Yet another reason I'm happy I live in Canada. In November I had artifical disc replacement surgery completely free of course. It cost between 35,000 to 45,000 in the states.
Hell of a deal! I had to pay $32 for my(successful) prostate cancer treatment. Hospital parking, eh?

For most of us in the First World, discussions like this are simply surreal!



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Big pharma is the problem not the insurance companies. And Obamcare is doing nothing to stop them but giving them more victims to ripoff.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:50 PM
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You got to be kidding....I can get an Rx filled for $10 on my prescription insurance plan. I got to pay $4500 deductible out of pocket before my health insurance ever kicks in.

The pricing of medical procedures is what is out of whack; significantly more so than the cost an Rx.

It's the greedy "for profit" Dr.'s, clinics, ER's, etc that are skyrocketing our medical expenses. If there is one single thing in this country that is deserving of becoming socialized, it's health care.
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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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I likely have rheumatoid arthritis I've been told. I am lucky the ACA was passed otherwise I would be SOL when my husband gets out of the army.

I'm only 31 too. Just unlucky I guess.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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Yet another reason I'm happy I live in Canada. In November I had artifical disc replacement surgery completely free of course. It cost between 35,000 to 45,000 in the states.


I agree, I have had invasive heart surgery, hundreds of tests of all kinds for the heart stuff this is over a 20 year span and still ongoing at this time.

Broken bones, hernia operation, infections, and so on and so on......the only thing I ever had to pay for was gas for out of town hospital visits and parking which is mentioned above as well.

Just in the past two weeks I have had 5 cardio grams, two blood tests, two Xrays, 1 echocardio gram, 2 Iv's,
A room for 6 hours x 2 for two visits, and I know I have forgotten some of the stuff they did for me.
It becomes routine for me and some stuff slips the mind.

Mind you the taxes are sky high here in Canada but we will take those over what my medical bill would have been by now.

Conservative guess would be in the high hundreds of thousands.


Ideally they want to get me a new heart but its doubtful, I can't imagine the cost of a transplant nor could we pay it if we lived in the States or other countries that have poor health care funding.

What the problem is in the States is anyone's guess so here is mine, Politics and payoffs.

Just thought I would chime in here with some outside perspective.

Great thread and in should concern all regardless of what country they live in.

Regards Iwinder

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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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Save the argument, there are just people in this world that want the entire human race to pay out the nose for things that are basic needs, they're either staunch capitalists or they have stock in those areas (either literal stock like they work in that field or they have stock options in insurance) They'll never see our point of view because they don't have to worry about choosing to die or choosing to feed their family. They want those that can't afford to pay these prices to die anyway, to stop muddying the gene pool, and let there be no mistakes about it, it has zilch to do with personal responsibility. They want us out of the equation, though I wonder who they think will make their hotel beds, clean their hospitals, serve their Mcdoubles, clip their pooche's hair, and so on oh and harvest and deliver their food. I certainly don't believe they will let their children do this. SMDH.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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They want us out of the equation, though I wonder who they think will make their hotel beds, clean their hospitals, serve their Mcdoubles, clip their pooche's hair, and so on oh and harvest and deliver their food. I certainly don't believe they will let their children do this. SMDH.


They want a cheap labour pool they can control and work as slaves.
They wont use their children of course not, No they will get your children to do it. You better fill them in now on the harsh reality of the future.
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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:51 PM
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AthlonSavage
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They want us out of the equation, though I wonder who they think will make their hotel beds, clean their hospitals, serve their Mcdoubles, clip their pooche's hair, and so on oh and harvest and deliver their food. I certainly don't believe they will let their children do this. SMDH.


They want a cheap labour pool they can control and work as slaves.
They wont use their children of course not, No they will get your children to do it.


Actually it seems they will get Mexico's children to do it as far as I can see, but I think they may find they're going to be harder than Americans to control...they have no qualms about illegally entering the country, they are messing with the wrong hombres methinks.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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That's the whole problem really. What are the actual costs when not inflated. How much does it cost to have someone in a room? How much to the medicines really cost and how much does the doctor cost. I'm thinking that you could run a hospital a lot less expensive than this. I could. And it would be good. The only problem with be the insurance, lol, that you'd need for lawsuits and all of that. It all comes back to lawyers and insurance companies. eh?



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:59 PM
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LeatherNLace
It's a good thing this kid had insurance; otherwise, he would have gotten the medical care for free and those of us that have insurance would have higher premiums to cover his medical care.

Additionally, $11K isn't too bad of an expense for a $50K medical bill. He probably could have had the entire bill covered by insurance if he had gone with a better (more expensive) coverage. With lower tier insurance plans, one can expect to pay higher deductibles and co-pays....it's the way insurance has always been and probably the way it will always be.


The biggest problem is the entire procedure+hospital expenses should have only been say $5,000. The inflated cost of health care is ridiculous, as is being forced to pay for insurance that will still leave one with a huge bill after any significant medical expense.

Health care is one of many reasons why the US is falling behind the rest of the world. In another decade or two we will no longer be considered a first world country unless we can fundamentally change this country for the better.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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Actually it seems they will get Mexico's children to do it as far as I can see, but I think they may find they're going to be harder than Americans to control...they have no qualms about illegally entering the country, they are messing with the wrong hombres methinks.


Well if those Hombres are going to be the poor class then the rich will want to eliminate much of the middle which I guess is where you reside.

Will this become the song chant of Americas rich.
Bye Bye Miss American Pie lol



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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The whole mess started with wage controls instituted by ... guess who ... the Democrats.

It was thought that no one should make more than a certain amount, so employers began looking for certain other perks to entice and keep good workers. This is where the whole idea of benefits like health insurance among others came from. Then, the unions saw what some employers offering and began demanding it because they decided it was simply "unfair" for some to have what others did not. Pretty soon, even though the wage controls got removed, health insurance was inextricably married to your job.

Then, because insurance as so common for so many to have, people stopped shopping around and feeling like they should have to pay for even routine health care like standard checkups and office visits for minor illnesses or injuries. This is when insurers and doctors began the godawful price skyrocketing system.

And then, when government started sticking its nose in to make things "affordable" it only got worse because that's all that ever happens when people start pricing to the government ... after all, as we all know, government money is "free" money from a bottomless pit or something.




posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:19 PM
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No I reside in the poverty class from a middle class family. No where has it been so prevalent that the following generations are far poorer than their parents than it is today.

Yes they are getting rid of the middle class...that's what the foreclosures are all about. This is orchestrated, but I think that they are picking the wrong people to replace us, we are the ones who've they had control over for centuries. Mexico can't keep any control there and the Wealthy Elite here thinks they'd be able to, that's hysterical.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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If that's their idea, then it's a significantly dumb one. One of the reasons why public health care has been a public matter is because human society virtually requires it. On an economic level, it may take a family from being financially sound and contributing to a variety of portions of the economy and turn it to foreclosure, bankruptcy, diminished spending, decreased taxes (medical expenses are deductible), and more. That's just the economic aspect of having an inadequate health system.

On the biological side, it can create a freaking nightmare scenario. How many of your coworkers go to work when they are sick because they have to? How many of them put off going to a doctor to get checked out because they can't afford it? We've had plenty of instances, historically, where some nasty little bug rises up and tends to wipe out a whole heck of a lot of people. Spanish Flu, SARS in Asia, Bubonic Plague (aka the Black Death), Smallpox, TB, and Cholera, just to name a few. All were historic big killers. The difference between now and then is that we actually do have ways to treat all of these but quite a few actually require treatment to begin right away. Now think about it--how many of your coworkers go to work sick and put off seeing a doctor again?

It's ripe for disaster really and if they actually think that they are guaranteed to survive such things because they'll have that access to medical care, well, I wouldn't be so sure about that because contributing conditions that increase risk hit irrespective of social status/wealth.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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It's about breaking us and making us utterly dependent on them. And reducing us to a single payer, government run system will have that effect just as well as bankrupting us does. After all, when the government controls all your access to health care ... well, they control your life from cradle to grave.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Thanks for the amazing responses guys, whether itd be on my side or against my side.

I'm happy that my first thread(besides the introduction) on ATS got attention.......lol
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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Totally agree with you there, but nobody ever said that the rich were very smart, that is a fallacy and they're still human capable of making idiotic assumptions just like the poor guy. Maybe it's they have underground hiding places to hide in when TSHTF so they may have a little higher sense of security, but you're right, if they're not in them when it hits they are pretty much screwed too, these forward thinkers are not really that forward thinking. They are still human and make mistakes and can sometimes be incompetent.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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ldyserenity

Yes they are getting rid of the middle class...


This reminds me of the homeless Japan has been using to clean up Fuku. The pick them up off the street, promise an honest wage then after food and housing is deducted they are still broke or even in debt.

This appears to be what they are doing with the working/middle class. They work 40 hours + a week for an okay wage, after housing, food, car payments, gas, utilities, and now health inusrance the worker is left with no many or in debt to credit card companies, while those in control of continue to grow the wealth because they own the bank, the food companies, utility companies, or the insurance companies. Since the middle class worker is likely in debt to the bank/credit company he must continue to work until he or she drops dead.

It is getting tougher by the day for the middle class to save any money. The middle/working class is almost enslaved by their debt in a rigged game.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Walter White.




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