In the region of the Tien Shan mountains North of the Tarim basin are found petroglyphs that date to around 4,500 years old, a region that was then
inhabited by the Yuezhi, which translates as 'Moon Clan', an indo-European people associate with the Tocharians.
The interest for me in these carvings are the traditions that suggest a Mountain of the Gods or ancestral Patriarchs in the Zoroastrian Avesta and
also in the the traditions of the Syriac Church, which both suggest a sacred mountain of the first time in conjunction with a 'Cave of Treasures'
Carved in bas-relief, the scene has been sheltered in a grotto at the base of a massive red-basalt outcropping in the Tien Shan, Xinjiang,
partially bordered by the rugged Tien Shan Mountains and the Pamirs as well as hosting the extensive Taklimakan Desert, was culturally an extension of
the Eurasian steppes. Mummies desiccated by the desert
The Tian Shan, also spelled Tien Shan, is a large system of mountain ranges located in Central Asia. The highest peak in the Tian Shan is Victory
The Chinese name for Tian Shan may be derived from the Xiongnu language name Qilian which was described by Sima Qian in the Records of the Grand
Historian as the homeland of the pre-Xiongnu peoples of the region, the Yuezhi
The name is formed from yuè (月) "moon" and shì (氏) "clan". According to the Kangxi Dictionary, it referred to a country beyond China's
The Yuezhi were an ancient Indo-European people often identified with the Tókharoi of Classical sources. They were originally settled in the arid
grasslands of the eastern Tarim Basin area, in what is today Xinjiang and western Gansu, in China
As early as the mid-first millennium BCE the Yuezhi engaged in the jade trade, of which the major consumers were the rulers of agricultural China.
During the Qin Dynasty period, the Yuezhi earned the support of Chinese rulers by providing them with large supplies of war horses.
According to former USSR scholar Zuev, there was a queen among the large Yuezhi confederation who added to her possessions the lands of the on the
headwaters of the Huanghe c. 3rd century BCE. According to Zuev, the Chinese chronicles began referring to the queen's tribe as the Great Yuezhi and
to the Tochars as the Lesser Yuezhi
Evidence of the Indo-European Tocharian languages also has been found in the same geographical area, Although the first known epigraphic evidence
dates to the 6th century CE, the degree of differentiation between Tocharian A and Tocharian B and the absence of Tocharian language remains beyond
that area suggest that a common Tocharian language existed in the same area of Yuezhi settlement during the second half of the 1st millennium
Those who look to interpret the petroglyphs inevitably come to the conclusion that pro-creation is involved, that little people seemingly emerge from
the genitalia of the larger figures, who one might take as Gods or ancestral Patriarchs.
Wang Bing-Hua of the Xinjiang Institute of Archaeology published the first information on the Kangjiashimenzi petroglyphs before 1992. He notes
that the figures range in height from 10 cm. to the larger-than-life-size 2.5 m. The lowest carving is 2.5 m above the current ground level while the
highest is 10 m .
All the images are portrayed with long, slender noses and well-defined superciliary ridges, indicating they represent a Caucasoid population. The
female and male figures are identifiable by unique artistic conventions assigned to each sex. Most of the female wear truncated conical headdresses
adorned with two projecting antennae that coil outward. Both sexes have triangularized bodies but stylization is unique depending upon the sex. A
large inverted triangle forms the torso of each female while hips, thighs and calves are quite realistically modeled.
In the top register, ten very large images are portrayed. Nine females, each about two meters high, dance in a circle. A tenth personage on the left
is partially reclining as if it were about to fall into a trance. This image is stylization as a bisexual personage. It wears a female headdress with
antenna and a “bra” similar to the shamanic figure in scene although its torso and legs are stylized as the male and it is ithyphallic. Both arms,
raised over its shoulders, have deviated from the normal dancing position. To complete the scene a single human head and two pairs of heraldic
animals, probably goats—one pair markedly ithyphallic—are interspaced between the female dancers.
An aspect of the dating of these figures is comparison to similar found in Cucuteni culture, it can also be seen there the suggestion that there may
have have been an astral association, the female figure perhaps representing Orion.
Even more remote from Xinjiang in time and space is the representation of a ritual dance painted on the fourth-third millennia Cucuteni-Tripolye
pottery. This is an agricultural culture found in Romania, around Chisineau, Moldova and the Ukraine These female dances have hourglass figures
composed of double triangles; they wear fringed dresses, and pose in the exact stance as those on the Kangjiashimenzi tableau
The traditions of the Avesta and Syriac church would posit this region as an actual place of origins for Eurasian people,the birthplace of Adam,
rather than a region they have migrated into at an early date, whether that is the case or not they seem to have been in the region from an early
date, thus giving rise to the traditions
...the people who emerge as Tocharians in Western sources are often equated
with a branch of the Yuezhi of Chinese sources who were driven first from the Gansu borderlands by the Xiongnu, then further west by the Wusun,
arriving at the Oxus, and going on to conquer Bactria and establish the Kushan empire.
Narain argues that once one accepts the equation Tocharian = Yuezhi, then one is forced to follow both the Chinese historical sources (which for him
would propel the Yuezhi back to at least the 7th century BC) and the geographical reference of their first cited historical location (Gansu) to the
conclusion that they had lived there ‘from times immemorial’. Narain infers that they had been there at least since the Qijia culture of c. 2000
BC and probably even earlier in the Yangshao culture of the Neolithic. This would render the Tocharians as virtually native to Gansu (and earlier than
the putative spread of the Neolithic to Xinjiang) and Narain goes so far as to argue that the Indo-Europeans themselves originally dispersed from this
Wow! Awesome presentation, Kantz. Thanks for posting this. I think if I had it all to do over again (or, perhaps, I am recalling fragments of a
past lifetime), I would be an archaeologist and anthropologist (for now I just enjoy digging in soil and finding things; and studying as a lay
person). I'm still in my 50s, and people have certainly taken on "second careers" as such. It's actually on my written "bucket list" to participate
in an archaeological dig someday.
Doubt that I'd get to go abroad, though....there are ancient relics in the area right around my home, however, on the south banks of the Missouri
The video was fascinating - especially toward the end, when they climb up to that high cave and find the paintings of buddha-figures with haloes, and
kneeling before them are western-looking people with red and blonde hair, beards, etc.
This seems to me to indicate even more possibility that the man called Jesus did, in fact, travel that silk road and may well have studied with those
Buddhist holy men. It was all at about the same time period as Jesus is recorded as living.
Thanks. Amazing stuff.
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There was certainly interest in that region by the Syrian Church, who as i mentioned tended to locate the tradition of Adam and the Patriarchs up to
the time of Noah there, and in the 6th century they established Christianity there for a couple of centuries which merged with the Taoist tradition
The tradition of the Mountain of the ancestors i'm looking at with regards to the seeming interest also in the Magi with the region, after Bybyots
On the third day, God planted the garden in the east of the earth, on the border of the world eastward,beyond which, towards the sun−rising,
one finds nothing but water, that encompasses the whole world, and reaches to the borders of heaven.
2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of water, clear and pure to the taste, unlike anything else; so that, through the clearness thereof,
one may look into the depths of the earth.
Again, also, because God is merciful and of great pity, and governs all things in a way that He alone knows −− He made our father Adam live in the
western border of the garden, because on that side the earth is very broad.
Now Adam and Eve were virgins, and Adam wished to know Eve his wife. And Adam took from the skirts of the mountain of Paradise, gold, and myrrh,
and frankincense, and he placed them in the cave, and he blessed the cave, and consecrated it that it might be the house of prayer for himself and his
Double headed figures are quite common in ancient figurines and could have been seen as male and female cojoined in a spiritual and physical sense,
there is much confusion of the two in the petroglyphs, this is a Syrian-Hittite example;
Of course there is the tradition of the Baphomet, which at least in some interpretations has male and female faces, there is the Hermetic basis for
As it was at the begining so shall it be at the end...with regards to Noah
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Great thread... a good few years back i watched a documentary on mummies from the same region...one of the female mummies had what looked like a
witches hat,i cant remember the name of it to save my life?
Nice thread. Love reading about this stuff.
My first reaction to the petroglyphs would be starmap. They are the moon clan after all...
Maybe the double headed dude represents Gemini? The animal Leo? The curvature of the design might suggest they were tracking a cosmic body (planet,
asteroid, whatever) through the stars. Each body represents a deity or personality, makes it easy to remember. The long line of bodies at the bottom
left might be years or generations or just represent how many people were involved... All speculation, I know... I may just look into this a little
bit more... I may just leave it hanging...
what is interesting is the sexual representation. On those black&whites clearly are visible strange "penises" and "tails"...or at least...they
look like it to me. No mention of those features in the info description.
There it is...you found it and it is as amazing as the first time i saw it. This shows that stories for the past have some reality that these people
used and wore these clothing is ritual and ceremonial purpose. Who would have ever thought that a real witches hat would pop up from thousand of years
ago, after been popularized in last 100 years or so. There are so many things yet to be discovered.Hopefully this part of China will be accessible for
all ,we all know how China can be and were lucky that they didn't behead the church and man mummy.
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