Uncovering Aliens BLACK OPS CONSPIRACY. The Best Evidence I've Seen of Alien UFOs!!

sled735
I still believe in aliens, UFOs (Gov and ETs), and the government cover up.
No one has changed my mind on that, nor will they.

Don't be a fool, stop believing in UFOs and government cover ups. Both have been proven to exist beyond any reasonable doubt

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sled735
I still believe in aliens, UFOs (Gov and ETs), and the government cover up.
No one has changed my mind on that, nor will they.

Don't be a fool, stop believing in UFOs and government cover ups. Both have been proven to exist beyond any reasonable doubt

I don't understand your post. Your statement is contradictory. Which is it?

Nevermind. The comma threw my perception of the sentence off. I see what you're saying now. I was reading it like the comma was a period.

Where DID I put my reading glasses!

sled735
Where DID I put my reading glasses!

On the table in the kitchen, where you left them, I'd say :-P

sled735
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

Can a show not provide truth mixed with entertainment within the same show?

I think a show has to have some entertainment included to keep the people from turning the channel... sometimes.

I just wonder how many people posting on this thread are here (on their job) to discredit the UFO information that comes in.

It's like I heard before,"Put it right in front of them so they won't see it. Then start bashing the evidence to make the people back away in fear of being called crazy if they show signs of belief."

Seems to work!

Please do not resign yourself to pulling out the "shill card" when faced with evidence of intentional deception in the show we are debating. Presenting facts in an interesting manner is fine....really. Heck, I agree. However, when a production makes a point to display that phrase containing the word "dramatization" they are saying exactly what I posted. That way, they can absolve themselves from sticking to facts....that is how it works in that industry. That industry is geared toward making $$ at entertainment at all costs...ALL COSTS.

Now, if they did not make the statement, then it means the claims they make in the production are factual...unless the film/show makes no claims as such. The simple fact that they added it means a lot to this discussion and cannot be ignored. Alluding to the presenting of that information as that of a paid shill is disingenuous to you and the thread IMO.

As I've stated personally many times here, I believe 100% there is not only life (but intelligent life) in this vast universe....the probabilities are clearly in support of this being so. Conversely, this does NOT mean these life forms are visiting (or have visited) the Earth at all. I would love there to be actual real (not manufactured or "dramatized") evidence of this, but, as it is, that is still elusive and non-existent.

ETA: I have worked with folks in this industry (tangentially), and if you want to understand their mindset, I highly recommend you rent/view the film Sweet Liberty with Alan Alda. The director of the film they are shooting clearly indicates they are NOT interested in accuracy or historic fact, but only "three things" sell a movie/production. It is that attitude that does represent the majority of the mindset (not all of them to be sure). But, for productions such as we are discussing, since they do not clearly indicate during the production which scenes ARE dramatizations, then they are intentionally trying to deceive purely for entertainment purposes.

In this case, entertainment is the foremost element, and factual representation is a distant thought.

AthlonSavage
Good thread, the old guy at end does have the smoking gun documents. Im a full believer the US government has reversed engineered technology from retrieved crashed discs.

And then gave them away so others could profit on them....in return for these huge windfalls these companies are giving the govt what? I think we all know the answer to that question.

I didn't want to expose myself like this, but I think some people here need this...

My name is Zola. I am a hybrid from the planet Zephroid.

I'm here to monitor the human race and report back to my commander when I think the Earthlings are ready for fully disclosed visitations from our heavenly brothers and sisters.

I must say, you humans have failed miserably to acknowledge our presence with any signs of Love and Acceptance.

Why should we come and make our presence known when the barbaric actions of your people try to kill us, shoot us down without even finding out what our purpose is?

No, you aren't ready yet. But soon. Very soon, you will know we are here. We are watching!!

This is me...


And this is me without my wig:



Get ready! My family is on it's way!

Holla, Zola
An advanced being would in no way consider this tripe food for thought.....Despite the stimulating discussion generated....the show (which i did watch) is crap....same ole same ole, innuendo and fakery as ghost chasers etc etc....garbage
And i am not sure that was the Skinwalker ranch either.......

reply to post by stirling


Just kidding! Trying to lighten the mood here.


Happy New Year, Earthlings!!! I'm out of here!

stirling
Holla, Zola
An advanced being would in no way consider this tripe food for thought.....Despite the stimulating discussion generated....the show (which i did watch) is crap....same ole same ole, innuendo and fakery as ghost chasers etc etc....garbage
And i am not sure that was the Skinwalker ranch either.......

edit on 1-1-2014 by stirling because: (no reason given)

Yeah, seems more like the "Snake Oil Ranch" to me... lol

The show itself is trashy, staged and pretty bad... no offense meant to anyone (except the producers). And of course all the folks at that motel in the beginning saw some UFO's or they wouldn't have come to see the TV people in the first place!

The "frantic" chase of the black helicopter was funny and staged. Notice the cameras shooting from all angles, the camera man getting the Jeep door slammed in his lens and then reaction shots from all over and inside- outside the Jeep/SUV. It all resulted in funny edits and reshot, badly acted excitement ... not to say the helicopter wasn't seen and filmed, just that the "chase" was reconstructed later... which lacks credibility in a marginal subject that really needs some.

The info, though, is a different story. I know people who've seen weird stuff in Sedona and all over Arizona... heck, I'm one of them. The rest of the world gets some odd aerial action, too.

I know there are unconventional aircraft in the airspace over AZ, at least. I don't know where they are from or who made them, etc., but I have seen them and know they exist... which helps nobody else but me and even then I'm not any more informed other than knowing that unconventional aircraft, of some sort, exist.

I have close relatives who've seen spectacular UFO's, too, and one actually saw a rubbery armed, typical grey-esque pilot of an egg shaped craft following him in the wee hours on a lonely country road in Illinois and the burly man will still not drive alone at night... nearly 20 years later.

Thousands of other folks have had these experiences, too, and not all of them are loony, seeking attention or after loot. Outside of some unstable UFO convention types, the majority of witnesses I've talked to are very stable and truthful.

Dr. Woods and the Majestic Documents are a seemingly reliable source and the best part of the show. His website is at www.majesticdocuments.com and he and his brother, Ryan, have them all compiled along with his testing methods and best educated guess as to authenticity. He IS invested in them, but heck, he seems like he's truthful and knows what he's doing.

There's some truly interesting things discussed in those papers... and the real question for some is not when and by whom they were produced, but rather if they were part of a govt disinformation campaign to make our enemies believe we had alien tech, if they were duped by some other govt's psi-ops or if they are actually discussions of unknown advanced technology.

If "real" and from the time period in question, and there's at least a decent probability that they well might be, then the papers are truly reality shaking.

Then one has to contend with the slippery slope of what else might be part of our reality... and things get weirder.

But if one takes the time and looks into the varied claims from seemingly respected and solid sources in the govt and private aerospace sectors, and the leaked papers that back them up, there sure seems to be something extraordinary going on.

Whether it's some convoluted plot or disinformation, or if it's simply what it seems to be, namely clandestine research into unknown high tech from unknown sources, it really seems to exist and is of importance to our (and other's) government.

The mass of information in favor of UFO's, whatever they are, is overwhelming, despite the lack of a consensus opinion on the matter.

reply to post by sled735


Awesome Thread!!!!

Thanks for the thread and video man! I'm a definite believer in a presence on earth, probably many, but what they are is beyond me. As far as a government coverup, that's possible, in fact it would make a lot of sense to me. but I don't know enough about it to comment matter of factly. I do know from personal experience and a few of my own sightings, from west Texas to Arizona, that something is here.. possibly monitoring us or possibly, existing parallel to us on a different frequency, in a form or mode of existence completely unrecognizable to us.

A quick story of my own about Sedona; I used to live there and during that time I witnessed something that changed my view on UFOs forever. It was near Cathedral Rock, I was with my girlfriend and a friend on the balcony drinking some brews and enjoying the night. It came shortly after a friend mentioned there was this green light that came to "visit him" once in a while, my girl and I sort of looked at each other with a smirk but then about a minute later.. here was this brilliant lime green orb that appeared out of no where about 50 yards away, so bright it left tracers in my eyes and seemed to be "slipping" in and out of existence- it was moving in a sort of like a hummingbird in figure 8 movement but was disappearing a reappearing in a different spot. It stayed for about 40-60 seconds, it almost seemed aware of our presence and reacted to our thoughts and words. After I turned away, overwhelmed with awe and confusion (you can research sightings, be an enthusiast or debunk all you want, but nothing will prepare for the moment you actually see one) I said something like "I see you over there man, but this is way too intense for me right now!", and it disappeared right then! I will never forget that night because it took me completely out of my comfort zone and it shifted my perspective on what "UFOs" might actually be.. maybe they ARE the craft? I don't know and don't claim to know.. Maybe the veil "between worlds" is a bit thinner in those areas. just an idea though, and thought I'd share that experience as it relates to the filming location and was the reason I joined ATS.

Anyway, good to know other people out there are interested in this topic and keep an open mind and I appreciate your desire to get the truth out. Hopefully we can all sift through the BS, hoaxes and disinfo and eventually find out what the hell is going on. because the government sure as hell isn't talking. Personally, I don't know what the truth even is so I'm left to wonder.. don't know much about the alleged humanoid aliens, grays or whatever, other than what I've researched about Roswell. it's all very fascinating that's for sure- there could be a hell of a lot more going on up there than we know about, or are even able to see in our range of visible light. Good luck in your search!

reply to post by SecTownKid


I wasn't going to post any more on this thread, but I have to come back and say thank you to you and the member above you for chiming in.
It takes courage to post in a thread with so many non-believers, especially since you both are rather new members.

Thanks again!!!

i'm going to watch the whole thing. at this moment i'm skeptical. i watched the first few minutes and was instantly reminded of the mermaid documentary that everyone was RAVING about and it turned out to be fake. so far, it looks scripted to me. i'm not saying it IS or that i'm calling bull**it right away but i'm leaning heavily toward this being fake and for entertainment purposes only.

editing to add - i'm 11 minutes in and i'm googling each person in this. george pilgrim is an actor. he's the guy that is interviewed just after the photographer (looked him up too - not seeing anything he's photographed that looks particularly interesting).


edit again to add that i just googled mike bara and "rational wiki" has a hilarious write up on him. the ending is particularly telling about his character. i'm not putting too much stock into anything he says.

reply to post by unb3k44n7


All these made for TV UFO/alien shows are horrible. This one is no exception.

South Park does a better job explaining UFOs than any of these dramatized programs.

sled735
I didn't want to expose myself like this, but I think some people here need this...

My name is Zola. I am a hybrid from the planet Zephroid.

I'm here to monitor the human race and report back to my commander when I think the Earthlings are ready for fully disclosed visitations from our heavenly brothers and sisters.

Ok Zola, I have one question. It is one I've asked other people who claim to be contactees, abductees and human-alien hybrids.

Can you tell us something about the universe which we do not already know but is within range of our current technology to test?

I'm not asking for the cure to cancer or a new form of energy.

I'm asking for some basic information about the universe which we both share and which you presumably know more about.

So, can you tell us any one or more of the following?

What is the nearest star system that has a planet which would be considered habitable for humanity in terms of composition, temperature, atmospheric oxygen, etc?

What is the most common atmospheric composition of terrestrial sized worlds?

What is the true nature of dark energy?

Are Super Earths more like Earth or more like our planet Neptune? Or both? Explain.

Are water worlds such as the two around the star we call Kepler 62 inhabited by any form of life? If so, what is its nature?

Which star system or point in space does your alien side originate from? How far is it from our solar system and how old is your planet?

You must understand that as rational beings we need to know something beyond our current knowledge base but which we can verify either with current or planned future instruments. There are all sorts of human beings, some of them with different motives to tell stories so providing us with answers to questions like these goes a long way in verifying what you tell us if it all checks out.

reply to post by pasiphae


Mike Bara, THIS man is the "aeronautics engineer" of the group in this TV show, the one speaking like he needs hard evidence? He is the author of 3 conspiracy books spanning alien structures on the moon, Mars, and a published advocate of both the lunar landing "hoax" and Nibiru 2012 doom porn. his last documented position in the aeronautics industry was as a CAD/CAM technician/draftsman at Boeing, until he was let go....at which point he hooked up with Richard Hoagland ('nuff said).


Wow....just, wow. This is the shows "voice of reason". I really wish they would produce a good, fact-finding show on this topic, that actually was not scripted nor "dramatized".

I believe this existing ATS thread on Mike Bara says more from ATS members as well.
How wrong is Mike Bara?

ETA:

Mike Bara is a New York Times Bestselling author, lecturer and TV personality. Mike is a frequent guest on radio shows like Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. He is a regular contributor to the History Channel programs Ancient Aliens and America’s Book of Secrets

PAID WORKSHOP - Mike Bara Ancient Aliens: The Extraterrestrial Question

Krakatoa
reply to post by pasiphae

 

I really wish they would produce a good, fact-finding show on this topic, that actually was not scripted nor "dramatized".

And there lies the core of the problem, IMHO: if you really want to do a fact-finding documentary on UFOs you need to invest a lot of money and may end up with something that does not really score well in terms of audience rating. No commercial organisaton would do this, they need easy ROI.

On the other hand: there is nothing to stop us, right? Why don't we, the ATS community, make such a documentary? Or even a set of them? We would not be driven by any commercial reasoning, we would simply try to make the best UFO documentary we can. No show, no "amusement", no funny dramatizations, no special effects, just bone-dry facts. Provable stuff only. No speculation, just the facts.

Why don't we?

That video was very bad. Turned off after about 20 minutes. Terrible documentary. Cheesy music and quick cuts...lame.