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Uncovering Aliens BLACK OPS CONSPIRACY. The Best Evidence I've Seen of Alien UFOs!!

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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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jrod
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Of course I do not trust what a state senator says, however it does make a lot of sense that some of the most powerful and wealthiest corporations would have the most to loose if disclosure were to happen, hence the cover up. I used to assume it was because the impact on religion, especially the Christians in the US. However the financial and power motivation seems plausible.

The evidence for contact is out there if you know where to look.


Highlighted in yellow: That's actually quite naive and more poor reasoning faculty at work in making such an assertion.

If there were any such thing as ET visiting our planet, the MARKETING Campaign done by any and every company that thought it could exploit such a thing would be overwhelming.

"Get your new iPhone6! Now with verifiable Alien Technology!"

Whether or not any actual "alien" technology would be in use in any such advertised products would be a matter of public opinion until a politician hoping to make a name for themselves introduced regulations and standards for who could use "Alien Technology" claims, on what grounds, and to what extent.

Any and every company on the planet would stand to profit from exploiting any such 'disclosure'.

In business, war is good for business. Peace is good for business, ANY huge societal change in public perception is good for business. It's all about marketing and spin as well as driving the narrative and exploiting the public perception.





posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:35 PM
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If they are here and it was made public big oil would be over!

For less than the cost of a year's power bill, a house could have a simple way to make electricity, think Tesla and his free energy ideas. Big oil and friends do not want to give up their wealth and power. Oil and power plants would quickly become a thing of the past.

We are slowly getting fed technology that we have got from ETs. If it was all given out at one time there would much less profit to be made. Making a 'new' product that is top of the line, then a year later releasing a more advanced product is a great way to keep money flowing into a company.




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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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jrod
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If they are here and it was made public big oil would be over!



What Alice is trying to say is that Big Oil would transform itself into Big Fusion, or Big Antimatter, or Big Zero Point or Big Quarks or Big Higgs Bosons or Big Black Holes or whatever "they" would use to power their stuff.

It's naive to think global corporations such as them would sit around twiddling their thumbs, stuck on stupid while the world around them changed.


General Electric for example made the transition from the steam era to the oil era to the nuclear era without missing a beat.

Why wouldn't they transition to the alien tech era?
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posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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I have always thought our leap in technology since the 1940's is one of the biggest pieces of evidence for ETs.


You do realize we were already making leaps in technology. Ever since the advent of the steam engine we have been making leaps. Rocket science was already underway in fact I am starting to think the hole Roswell incident is connected to rocket scientist Robert Goddard. Of course it could be a coincidence.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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The cover up is NOT energy related.
It is military related.

If I can create cheap little drones that look like foo fighters by the hundreds, I can fly them over enemy positions and use them as chaff.
The added bonus is giving them radar signatures and then being able to project holograms onto them.

This is heavy duty tech.
Highly guarded.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 05:50 PM
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jrod
We are slowly getting fed technology that we have got from ETs.


Care to name this "ET technology"?



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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JayinAR
The cover up is NOT energy related.
It is military related.

If I can create cheap little drones that look like foo fighters by the hundreds, I can fly them over enemy positions and use them as chaff.
The added bonus is giving them radar signatures and then being able to project holograms onto them.

This is heavy duty tech.
Highly guarded.


Not only that, but imagine a fleet of plasma balls acting as radar transmitters for a HAARP-spin off plasma reflector in the ionosphere. Big remote sensing applications right there.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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JadeStar

What Alice is trying to say is that Big Oil would transform itself into Big Fusion, or Big Antimatter, or Big Zero Point or Big Quarks or Big Higgs Bosons or Big Black Holes or whatever "they" would use to power their stuff.

It's naive to think global corporations such as them would sit around twiddling their thumbs, stuck on stupid while the world around them changed.


General Electric for example made the transition from the steam era to the oil era to the nuclear era without missing a beat.

Why wouldn't they transition to the alien tech era?


Exactly.

I wonder how much money Big Oil could save if it didn't have to spend all that money on the operating costs, hazard and environmental licensing, insurance, taxes and everything else that goes into the vast acreages of land given over to oil refinement?

If Big Oil could do away with their refineries, cut the cost of all the specialized workers, cut the cost of all the environmental regulation, cut the cost of everything that goes into the refinement process, including the vast sums of money spent on geologists, constant speculation, International relations and agreements with other nations where product is pumped out of the ground, cut the costs of gigantic supertankers and other logistic concerns, wow, the profit margins on the energy market would be phenomenal.

Big oil could up stakes and run cheap sweatshop style gadget factories out of whichever 3rd world country starving for work and revenue offers the best deal.




posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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AK907ICECOLD
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OKAY! LOL

I'm not quite sure I am understanding what your saying friend.

can you paraphrase that again.

To rebuttle: or however you spell that. Your saying that 500,000+ people that stampede that area would have no effect regardless of the outcome?

I'm a bit lost on this.. BTW this Caribou Whiskey is great!

ADDED:You might actually get a return on your investment. Easier to sell to shareholders.

Please elaborate. I'm just a stupid college edumacated construction worker
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Stuff like this. All the people in the world wouldn't make a difference if we can't ask the right question to begin with.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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I truly believe that it is systems like HAARP that act as their projection system.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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This subject has evidence of a major cover up going on.Just hard to sort through the real stuff and fake stuff.No doubt people see these objects.I think the alien stuff is real myself but not sure what it all means and how much of the government knows or what they do or do not know.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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What you've done is show a perfect example of what little evidence is actually required for believers to claim "compelling evidence".


They meet with a man who has a picture of a UFO he took one night while out in the desert. After having the picture analyzed by a professional, the conclusion is, it's real.

So the photograph was studied and shown not to be Photoshopped or faked. You interpret "real" not to mean a real untouched photograph, but to mean a real alien spacecraft? An object photographed that happens to be using Earthbound aircraft navigation colored lighting? Including helicopter traffic which they say is all around. How is that "compelling evidence" of an alien spacecraft?


They also meet with a former Senator (I forget the state) who talks about his knowledge of the cover-up inside the government concerning UFOs. And he tells WHY they are covering it up.

So once again, we're expected to take the word of someone providing zero evidence or verification to what he says? Maybe you've been out of the loop, but this "WHY" because of money has been going around many years. How is this "compelling evidence"?


Then there is a man toward the end of the video that provides documented PROOF by the government talking about their involvement with the UFOs, and their using the ones that crashed to do reverse engineering on them.

So again, we have the "Majestic 12" documents pulled out and assumed to be genuine. One of the UFO "experts" asks about his authentication process of the documents. He states you can cut a 1 mm section and do electrophoresis testing on the ink as well with pencil. Sounds very scientific doesn't it? In reality, the "original" documents were sent by mail on 35mm black & white film. There wasn't an original document that could be tested. Through the years, other portions of this supposed document were mysteriously leaked. But, testing of any ink or pencil needs to be done on the actual documents in question, not other types that have been sent over the years. The Truman signature, which is obviously a photocopy of his signature on the Vannevar Bush letter, would be a great start.
So the depth of this UFO "experts" investigation ends at this mans word with no follow up investigation to back up anything he has said? Great!

It's this weak level of investigation where believers have to stop and not demand anything further. Because once they delve further into it, the truth of no evidence will reveal itself.



posted on Dec, 31 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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The part at the end where the 'old man' showed the documents seemed pretty convincing to me. It could easily be staged, however I like to entertain the idea that some governments have retained crashed 'UFO' and reversed engineered them.
All of a sudden valves are replaced by circuit boards and fiber optics is discovered. Both are pretty significant leaps in technology in the 50's I think. Fits in nicely with say a Roswell recovered saucer and a few years to get some designs into production.
UFO's, the reversed engineered ones if true, could easily originate from within the solar system or even the planet. It is a very old place this spaceship we reside on, with our civilization but a grain in the sands of time
Pure speculation on my behalf but I will get to the bottom of the UFO phenomena that is.... quite real indeed. *insert X-Files theme here*



posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 12:01 AM
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TheDualityExperience
All of a sudden valves are replaced by circuit boards


valves were NOT replaced by circuit boards, what makes you claim they were?


and fiber optics is discovered.


The principles of optical fibre were discovered back in 1840, the FET was invented back in 1925....


Both are pretty significant leaps in technology in the 50's I think.


As shown, you are out by 110 years! What significant leap of technology was demonstrated in the 1950's

If you did some proper research you would realise there was no huge leap, but a steady progression of technology.



posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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Hi Bruce.
This is where I got my information on the radio. I am no specialist in the subject of radios though.
www.encyclopedia.com...

Regarding fiber optics, you are on the money with that. I was misleading. Here is a link on the history.
www.timbercon.com...
Would seem a bit of a stretch to link the discovery or refinement with Roswell.



posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 12:33 AM
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Oh boy...it's HelloBruce again lol. Hey there buddy!

While I don't really believe that we got technology from alien craft, I felt I had to chime in to your last comment about "no significant advances" being made in the 50's. I don't know what you claim as "significant", but that decade produced LEAPS and BOUNDS of advances....not just progressions as you claim. Here are just a few:





Solar Cells were invented that decade.

The HYDROGEN BOMB was invented that decade.

The computer language Fortran was developed in that decade.

The friggin MICROCHIP was invented in that decade.

The LASER was invented that decade.

The computer modem.....invented in that decade.


Those things above are NOT just progressions from inventions in the 40's. You can't claim that the MICROCHIP is a normal progression from the vacuum tubed computers invented a decade prior.

The Hydrogen bomb is not a natural progression from the Atom Bomb invented a decade earlier, both use completely different science.

What was the natural progression of the Laser? There wasn't one. Perhaps it came from the Slinky?


I also find your above response about Optic Fiber to be very misleading. Claiming that a "principle" was founded a hundred years prior doesn't mean that it was a feasible one, or even reasonable. Using that analogy, I could say that it's possible to go beyond the speed of light by using x,y, or z. In a thousand years, if that becomes possible, I wouldn't get credit on ATS for having actually INVENTED something based on that principle would I?

There's many principles and theories floating around which have no progressional basis. It's the actual invention that counts in my opinion.



You've proved me wrong before, and I'll await your response.


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posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 01:35 AM
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Miniscuzz
Solar Cells were invented that decade.


Wrong again the first solar cell was invented in 1883.....


The HYDROGEN BOMB was invented that decade.


Wrong, "The idea of a thermonuclear fusion bomb ignited by a smaller fission bomb was first proposed by Enrico Fermi to his colleague Edward Teller in 1941"


The friggin MICROCHIP was invented in that decade.


No, "Early developments of the integrated circuit go back to 1949, when the German engineer Werner Jacobi (de) (Siemens AG) filed a patent for an integrated-circuit-like semiconductor amplifying device showing five transistors on a common substrate in a 3-stage amplifier arrangement. Jacobi disclosed small and cheap hearing aids as typical industrial applications of his patent."


The computer modem.....invented in that decade.


Well, as the electronic computer had to be built before a computer modem could be....


Those things above are NOT just progressions from inventions in the 40's.


Yes they are....


You can't claim that the MICROCHIP is a normal progression from the vacuum tubed computers invented a decade prior.


It is a normal progression "The idea of integrating electronic circuits into a single device was born, when the German physicist and engineer Werner Jacobi (de) developed and patented the first known integrated transistor amplifier in 1949 and the British radio engineer Geoffrey Dummer proposed to integrate a variety of standard electronic components in a monolithic semiconductor crystal in 1952. A year later, Harwick Johnson filed a patent for a prototype integrated circuit (IC).

These ideas could not be implemented by the industry in the early 1950s, but a breakthrough came in the late 1958. Three people from the three U.S. companies solved three fundamental problems that hindered the production of integrated circuits. Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments patented the principle of integration, created the first prototype ICs and commercialized them. Kurt Lehovec of Sprague Electric Company invented a way to electrically isolate components on a semiconductor crystal. Robert Noyce of Fairchild Semiconductor invented a way to connect the IC components (aluminium metallization) and proposed an improved version of insulation based on the planar technology by Jean Hoerni. On September 27, 1960, using the ideas of Noyce and Hoerni, a group of Jay Last at Fairchild Semiconductor created the first operational semiconductor IC. Texas Instruments, which held the patent for the Kilby's invention, started a patent war, which was settled in 1966 by the agreement on cross-licensing."


The Hydrogen bomb is not a natural progression from the Atom Bomb invented a decade earlier, both use completely different science.


Very wrong, the hydrogen bomb used a fission bomb to initiate it... "The basics of the Teller–Ulam design for a thermonuclear weapon. Radiation from a primary fission bomb compresses a secondary section containing both fission and fusion fuel. The compressed secondary is heated from within by a second fission explosion."


What was the natural progression of the Laser? There wasn't one.


You really do not know much about science, do you! "In 1917, Albert Einstein established the theoretical foundations for the laser and the maser in the paper Zur Quantentheorie der Strahlung (On the Quantum Theory of Radiation); via a re-derivation of Max Planck's law of radiation, conceptually based upon probability coefficients (Einstein coefficients) for the absorption, spontaneous emission, and stimulated emission of electromagnetic radiation; in 1928, Rudolf W. Ladenburg confirmed the existences of the phenomena of stimulated emission and negative absorption;[11] in 1939, Valentin A. Fabrikant predicted the use of stimulated emission to amplify "short" waves;[12] in 1947, Willis E. Lamb and R. C. Retherford found apparent stimulated emission in hydrogen spectra and effected the first demonstration of stimulated emission;[11] in 1950, Alfred Kastler (Nobel Prize for Physics 1966) proposed the method of optical pumping, experimentally confirmed, two years later, by Brossel, Kastler, and Winter.[13]"

It came from the show boosted hydrogen device built and tested by the physicists Theodor V. Ionescu and Vasile Mihu in 1946. Followed by the MASER, then came the LASER!


I also find your above response about Optic Fiber to be very misleading.


That is because you do not know much about OF's Their principle was DEMONSTRATED in 1842, "Practical applications, such as close internal illumination during dentistry, appeared early in the twentieth century. Image transmission through tubes was demonstrated independently by the radio experimenter Clarence Hansell and the television pioneer John Logie Baird in the 1920s. The principle was first used for internal medical examinations by Heinrich Lamm in the following decade"


You've proved me wrong before, and I'll await your response.


And I have proved you wrong yet again!

Actually I find it very sad some people refuse to accept that man is smart enough to be able to develop the technology ourselves, they think we must have taken it from aliens!
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posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 02:15 AM
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To all the skeptics on here, having a field day ridiculing us poor, gullible believers who will believe anything, I say just wait until you see one (or two, like me) less than 25 yards away. It's not a vague light in the distance that can be easily explained away, it's very close to you, and it has no sound or wind coming from it.

It's so easy to explain what someone else saw when you weren't even there. You just use known examples of whatever phenomena fits the situation to say, "Oh, but what they REALLY saw was this..." and you really have no clue what you're talking about. Yes, you know your facts... yes, these phenomena exist. What you can't say is that it was definitely your particular phenomena (fill in the blank here) that someone else in a totally different location saw.

You cry NO PROOF, but wait until you see your first big one less than 25 yards away, and no one believes you. Then you will be saying, "But I saw it with my own eyes, it couldn't have been anything else!" Then the only people who may believe you are the ones who have been telling you all along what they've seen.

Hats off to the OP for sharing her video find, and wanting to give people who may not have seen it a glimpse of some additional information. Hats off to ATS for allowing us to share information and ideas to begin with.



posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 02:25 AM
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This show was basically "Finding Bigfoot" with self-appointed ufo experts and a skeptic. Assumptions and hyperbole run amok all over this show : /



posted on Jan, 1 2014 @ 02:42 AM
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I would love to see a UFO Phenomenon, especially up close.
Unfortunately, as seems most often to be the case; the more familiar one is with the sky and what goes on in it, the less likely they are to ever see/experience UFO Phenomenon.

As far as witnessing something perhaps 'classically' UFO personally:
Considering I know a thing or two about observation and making specific, objective, detailed distinctions in observation, I wouldn't be crying "Aliens" just because I didn't understand what I saw.

If I saw something that appeared solid, I would say that I saw something that APPEARED solid, until, or unless I had reason enough to confirm solidity by, um, perhaps throwing a rock at it, or closing distance enough such i might actually poke it with a stick, touch, or interact with the phenomenon.

I would maintain that i witnessed a "UFO Phenomenon" event, that appeared to be ..., gave the impression of ..., seemed to ..., etc.
I would do what I could to confirm whether or not the event was, or was not singularly subjective, or in other words, an illusion, or even delusion.

I wouldn't be making any definitive statements.

I wouldn't be crying from the rooftops "I know what I saw", because, as an UNKNOWN, if I didn't know what it was, then I certainly would NOT know what I had seen.

See how that works?




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