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The "NO" votes for independce in 1776. Can you guess which ones still wanted to be under the crown

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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:45 AM
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1.Pennsylvania
2. South Carolina
3. Delaware was a split vote between Thomas McKean (who voted yes) and George Read (who voted no). For some reason the split vote counted as a no vote.
4. The New York delegation was abstained due to the invasion of their offices and not able to vote.

So it seems as were taught in school that all the colonies wanted Independence from the crown, not true as it turns out.
Remember the next time you are in these states, remember they sought to stay loyal to the crown!

How would New york voted if they were able too? Any clues?


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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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Between the hoplophobia and 24/7 surveillance societies I'd bet if the vote were taken today at least 10 states that would be happy to strap on a powdered wig and pay tribute to a syphilitic monarch.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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Helpus2014
1.Pennsylvania
2. South Carolina
3. Delaware was a split vote between Thomas McKean (who voted yes) and George Read (who voted no). For some reason the split vote counted as a no vote.
4. The New York delegation was abstained due to the invasion of their offices and not able to vote.

So it seems as were taught in school that all the colonies wanted Independence from the crown, not true as it turns out.
Remember the next time you are in these states, remember they sought to stay loyal to the crown!

How would New york voted if they were able too? Any clues?


edit on 27-12-2013 by Helpus2014 because: (no reason given)


Another either/or choice. I'd like to know how many of them were opposed to EITHER choice, making "no" the default position.

Like today's non-voters who see no difference between the republicans or democrats, so they abstain. Of course their non vote means nothing to those who end up holding the reins.


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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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The number of people supporting the revoltion was never a majority of the population. 40 to 45 percent supported the rebels, 15 to 20 percent supported the crown and the rest stayed nuetral. If not for the French and the Spanish seeing the revolution as chance to hurt England and get involved the revolution would never have amounted to much more than another crushed rebellion in a colonial territory.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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There was much much more than 'Loyalty' to the crown involved.


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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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I know I've said this before, but if we bring a nice fruit basket, a polite apology letter, maybe some flowers. . . .

Do you think the Queen will take us back?



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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Remember the next time you are in these states, remember they sought to stay loyal to the crown!


That is not really fair. lol That was over 200 years ago. I doubt those states/the citizens in those states would have any interest in being under English rule today.

Also, I thought this was nothing new? lol The 'PATRIOTS' were the colonists who wanted independence from the crown and then you had the 'LOYALISTS' who wanted to remain under the crown.

I don't recall ever being taught the desire for independence was universal but I may be wrong.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Maybe, if we promptly impeached Obama.
Then maybe.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:37 AM
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I find the real history of Benjamin Franklin interesting on this topic. There is a reason he was not excepted as part of the government when it formed. He could not be trusted.
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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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The Queen still has her connections and Obama is closer to the Queen then Bush was. That secret message to the Queen on a Ipod from Obama and News Corp was instantly attacked and a 150 year old news paper was closed.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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Helpus2014
1.Pennsylvania
2. South Carolina
3. Delaware was a split vote between Thomas McKean (who voted yes) and George Read (who voted no). For some reason the split vote counted as a no vote.
4. The New York delegation was abstained due to the invasion of their offices and not able to vote.

So it seems as were taught in school that all the colonies wanted Independence from the crown, not true as it turns out.
Remember the next time you are in these states, remember they sought to stay loyal to the crown!

How would New york voted if they were able too? Any clues?


edit on 27-12-2013 by Helpus2014 because: (no reason given)



Um, only 25% of the population was for Independence.

So flame all the people before you start picking on individual states.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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MrSpad
The number of people supporting the revoltion was never a majority of the population. 40 to 45 percent supported the rebels, 15 to 20 percent supported the crown and the rest stayed nuetral. If not for the French and the Spanish seeing the revolution as chance to hurt England and get involved the revolution would never have amounted to much more than another crushed rebellion in a colonial territory.


I doubt if 40 percent actually supported the revolution. I think that they were influenced to support it. I bet only maybe twenty percent were actually for it and only twenty percent were against it. The rest probably were just common people who didn't care, they probably figured that it was better with nobody running the country.

The French and Spanish weren't much different than the English, they all wanted the resources at bargain prices so they could profit from it. sixty percent of the people here were slaves to the system. People were happy to get a little money from hard work here. It seems that imports were expensive compared to what was being made by workers here.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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The Lee Resolution was passed by ALL the colonies except NY on July 2. New York voted for it on July 9..



Helpus2014
1.Pennsylvania
2. South Carolina
3. Delaware was a split vote between Thomas McKean (who voted yes) and George Read (who voted no). For some reason the split vote counted as a no vote.
4. The New York delegation was abstained due to the invasion of their offices and not able to vote.

So it seems as were taught in school that all the colonies wanted Independence from the crown, not true as it turns out.
Remember the next time you are in these states, remember they sought to stay loyal to the crown!

How would New york voted if they were able too? Any clues?


edit on 27-12-2013 by Helpus2014 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Im not sure I understand the point of this thread????

Are you saying you Americans are better off than Aussies, Kiwis or Canadians?

If this website is any indication things are much worse in the good ol US of A than any of the other similar countries that chose to keep their "wigs"

You Merican Patriots really need to have a good hard look at yourselves and your country me thinks, you may not be so pleased and smug once the veil of blind patriotism is removed



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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IkNOwSTuff
Im not sure I understand the point of this thread????


Discussing which States initially wanted to stay with the crown. Although the OP attempted to take a jab implying that we were supposedly taught that All 13 colonies were completely united. Which isnt true nor wasn't taught to me or my children either.

The debate, arguments and over all situation was very heated


Are you saying you Americans are better off than Aussies, Kiwis or Canadians?


No, that's a can of worms you're interjecting.

Why?



If this website is any indication things are much worse in the good ol US of A than any of the other similar countries that chose to keep their "wigs"


Interesting. Supporting YOUR can of worms?


You Merican Patriots really need to have a good hard look at yourselves and your country me thinks, you may not be so pleased and smug once the veil of blind patriotism is removed


Ahh, ok, Here it is. The instigator.




posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Ill admit Ive had a beer or 2 this evening but I got the impression the OP was implying that those who voted against were somehow wrong.

Short term it was the right move but RIGHT NOW do any Americans really think they have it better than the other "colonies" that chose to stay under the oppressive yoke of the crown?

As for the instigator comment........ OK you got me, I do occasionally S**t stir for fun



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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The first president here was elected by like one hundred percent of the 69 votes. Who cast those votes? I don't think the common people had any sayso in our original government. In a way that has not increased as much as we think it has. We get to vote for someone chosen by the present parties to be in the running, people who are of their own kind. If someone is elected who is not a player in their game, they accomplish little for the people who elected them.

Even if we get to vote for one of a group of candidates, the selection is created by the ones in power. It has been that way since the United States was created.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Yep, it fun to stir it from time to time. I agree.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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IkNOwSTuff
I got the impression the OP was implying


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Yeah, most of the real over the top heated exchanges start that way.

Just sayin'.

Happy New Year


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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IkNOwSTuff
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Ill admit Ive had a beer or 2 this evening but I got the impression the OP was implying that those who voted against were somehow wrong.

Short term it was the right move but RIGHT NOW do any Americans really think they have it better than the other "colonies" that chose to stay under the oppressive yoke of the crown?

As for the instigator comment........ OK you got me, I do occasionally S**t stir for fun



You know I completely respect and admire your honesty


You asked a fair and honest question, I can only speak for myself and give you one mans opinion.

I love my country, The people in it of all walks of life, religions, racial/ethnic backgrounds from all over the world etc. Do I think we are 'Better' than the others?

I think we are just like the rest in that, most of us find ourselves increasingly scratching our .s in frustration, anguish and disillusionment at what "Our Governments" do in our name. "We the People"

Fair enough?




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