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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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combatmaster
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But why is Jewish National Identity a delisuion? We have both come to the conclusion that Judaism has existed before any notion of 'Palestine'.

I understand your viewpoint on Talmud etc. But we were talking about the fact that, despite minute adaptions in religious law to the modernizing world, Judaism is representative of the same things it was back in ancient times.

Now you move onto why the State of Israel doesnt need to exist in its current form, this is back to square one!

You should go to Gaza and rally alongside Hamas. Im sure that they will protect you from the Zionist pig


You believe what you want, I already KNOW what i KNOW because i have lived there in those places you only hear about on the news.

No more typing to you today, i realize it is pointless!
-o=



Purity of race and religion is a delusion. There is no such animal.
Whatsmore any people claiming this historically, always self ingest, if only eventually.
If you truly care for Israel then be its real friend. Tell it the truth.

"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." - Albert Einstein - slightly well known noted Jewish man.


or as a better person than I wrote once

Soldier: " “That land belongs to Jews and to Israel,” he said. He may have referred to the West Bank area as the Biblical Judea and Samaria.
Scholar: “It also belongs to the people who live there”



Ro.












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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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dragonridr
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So everything you think you understand about palestinians is propaganda started by the arab league.They created the displaced Palestinians if we only had to deal with just the ones created by the jews this conflict would have been over long ago. When dealing with about 10000 the Israelis would have given them some land and moved on. Since there are still palestinians in Israel that own land and are Israeli citizens.



If this is your highest reasoned view, and final statement of your sum total insight into my mind, if this is your most informed and educated opinion born of a thorough examination of my thoughts as an expert psychoanalyst and apparent master of ESP then fine! Think what you will. It's not the truth of history nor of my mind and reasoning and it does not justify the fact that an entire country full of people who LIVED THERE, have been robbed of their lives, futures, lands, culture, safety, homes and occupations. It does not justify that this territorially settled population have been subjected to the most insidious forms of racism, abuse, hatred and vilification there are on the planet and it can never justify their intentional slaughter and the indiscriminate murder of innocents. It can never justify the millions chased off in terror and it does nothing to quell the vomit in my gut over the daily ongoing abuses of power, law, religion, politics, mind and body suffered by and projected onto these people by the state of Israel and the insult to basic humanity not to mention all spiritual sanity that it is continuing at all.

If I was forced to agree with you and say the ONLY truth is that the so called God chosen status of the ISRAELITES ( not "the Jews!" ) does justify these terrible crimes against humanity , then I would be forced to justify Idi Amin and PolPot and Hitler's exterminations and abuses too and I cannot as I do see the past for what it is , ie: THE PAST and see Israel's CURRENT actions today for what they are as well.

For the record, and a little bit of real insight into my actual mind not your view of it, I still stand with those who say NEVER AGAIN - and I stand, and will keep saying it regardless of who the oppressors or their victims are, even if the villains say are Gods chosen, in fact, especially then.

Ro
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posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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buster2010
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This land has never been called palestine untiul the british take possession of it after world war 1.

You need to brush up on your history a little bit. The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece. Herodotus wrote of a district of Syria, called Palaistine in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.



I was trying to locate this! Thank you Buster.

I knew it was as early as 5th but not Herodotus. ty for the insight.

Ro



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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"Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival

says just about everything you need to know



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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dam00
"Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival

says just about everything you need to know


A poignant quote!

For me the ' Jewish question' has always been , why is this group, seemingly deliberately, delaying the redemption?



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Soldier: " “That land belongs to Jews and to Israel,” he said. He may have referred to the West Bank area as the Biblical Judea and Samaria.
Scholar: “It also belongs to the people who live there”



Ro.






According to that logic.... Squatters can come into your house while you are away on holiday, and that's it, finito, done n dusted, the house now also belongs to said squatters and their children's children (as well as your self ofcourse) forever. You just gotta divide up the rooms.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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Who decides whether or not something is "illegal," particularly when it comes to the ownership of land or the right to live or travel in it? In this world, anyone can write something on a piece of paper. That doesn't automatically make it the truth or law. And you can't buy land with tears.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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Rosha

dam00
"Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival

says just about everything you need to know


A poignant quote!

For me the ' Jewish question' has always been , why is this group, seemingly deliberately, delaying the redemption?


I really dont know why, but considering there isnt many places on the planet they havent been expeled from, some of them more than once, for whatever reasons, I would sugest they have lost the right to claim any land, and should except what they have been given as maybee, gds will.



posted on Jan, 10 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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combatmaster



Soldier: " “That land belongs to Jews and to Israel,” he said. He may have referred to the West Bank area as the Biblical Judea and Samaria.
Scholar: “It also belongs to the people who live there”



Ro.






According to that logic.... Squatters can come into your house while you are away on holiday, and that's it, finito, done n dusted, the house now also belongs to said squatters and their children's children (as well as your self ofcourse) forever. You just gotta divide up the rooms.





2000+ years of living in the same location is not 'squatting'.

By your reasoning, all non Africans should exit their lands jobs and homes right now willingly and happily and give them back to the 'original inhabitants' - the African native population who first arrived and so, who have sole claim to them.

Enough already.

"Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times" - Semitic Times.


See, the reaaaaallly big lie, is that this is a struggle between Jews and Palestinians at all. When in reality, it isn't and never has been. It's only been dressed to look that way by people a lot smarter than you and to polarize otherwise sane and rational people into a ever descending bloody dynamic that is unwinnable. ie: TO KEEP YOU DISTRACTED from what is happening on the ground right now in front of your face. Oldest tactic in the book. Literally.

This struggle is political Zionism vs Everyone else on the planet and it has been, publically at a least, since the Bolshevik revolution.

You and the Zionist regime can try to rewrite history all you want to. It doesn't alter the reality of the truth or peoples ability to see it, hear it and speak it. You can try, but even if you silence every voice, the truth will still speak for itself.

Again I point you to " The Invention of Ancient Israel - The Silencing of Palestinian History", a document whose views can be supported by the archaeological evidence and historical records both.




Ro
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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2000+ years of living in the same location is not 'squatting'.

By your reasoning, all non Africans should exit their lands jobs and homes right now willingly and happily and give them back to the 'original inhabitants' - the African native population who first arrived and so, who have sole claim to them.



OK.... and the british from india and hongkong, and the belgian from the congo and the palestinians from Israel etc etc....

Again.... a people know as the 'palestinians' did not exist 2000 years ago, so why do you say 2000 years is not squatting. It was more like 200 years.

I really have to go to work now Rosha but i have to tell you that you are way off regarding the palestinian history. The people and the geographical area, both reffered to as palestinian are not the same thing or from the same period in history and you (among other on ATS) mix these up way too often, it becomes disinformation.

So unless you get your facts straight regarding palestinians i really cant be as**d to reply anymore!



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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combatmaster





2000+ years of living in the same location is not 'squatting'.

By your reasoning, all non Africans should exit their lands jobs and homes right now willingly and happily and give them back to the 'original inhabitants' - the African native population who first arrived and so, who have sole claim to them.



OK.... and the british from india and hongkong, and the belgian from the congo and the palestinians from Israel etc etc....

Again.... a people know as the 'palestinians' did not exist 2000 years ago, so why do you say 2000 years is not squatting. It was more like 200 years.

I really have to go to work now Rosha but i have to tell you that you are way off regarding the palestinian history. The people and the geographical area, both reffered to as palestinian are not the same thing or from the same period in history and you (among other on ATS) mix these up way too often, it becomes disinformation.

So unless you get your facts straight regarding palestinians i really cant be as**d to reply anymore!





Hm maybe, though maybe you just cant be ass*d because somewhere deep way down in that over-weaned, uber entitled, Zionist infused and fueled mindset you know as well as I do, that there really is no justification for what has occurred to these people at the hands of Zionist Israel since the Balfour declaration no matter what anyone says.

I admit freely to many gaps in my knowledge base. I was not there thousands of years ago, so I do not know for 100% anything.
What I do know is what there is to know, when you look for truth and that truth begins to reveal itself when you comprehend that Jew Muslim Christian and non believers lived in relative community in Palestine long before the Zionists arrived. This is a matter of common historical record.

Genetic testing also proves the local populations pre-historic links to the area unequivocally. This is a matter of scientific record. Social community ties spanning centuries verifiable by agri-archeology, law and lore and immigration genetics also proves there has been and is, a common association of this people in and to this land over the past milena.

And if those facts don't do it for you, then the unedited footage itself, of bloodied children gunned down by tanks and helicopters, of homes in rubble, of farmers killed for planting trees and schoolgirls being shot 55 times for being in the wrong' place ought to. These events only began AFTER Zionist invasion. If these 'small facts' dont speak to you, nothing will.

What Zionist Israel has or has not entitled these people is irreverent to their Self Identification. They identify as Palestinian, yes moreso today than ever as today they have a desperate need to identify this way as it is a natural response to dehumanization efforts being done to them. Though in wider reality, they are the people of Palestine. They always have been. They LIVED there.

These are actual facts, provable via science verified in biblical and historical record alike, and so, they are not Zionist speak "good facts". So I do have my 'facts' straight. Do you?

The Israelis call what they do in the occupied territories " Purification". The rest of us call it what it is - Genocide. So I also retain my moral gyroscope well enough to know that these are facts, along with the countless numbers of children's bodies now entombed in rubble, that can't be ignored no matter how hard you try or wherever you run to.







Something important to read before you leave.... Auschwitz survivor speaks

"He said: “The Israelis tried to dehumanise the Palestinians, just like the Nazis tried to dehumanise me. Nobody should dehumanise any other and those who try to dehumanise another are not human."


Never again - for anyone.


signing off


Ro
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posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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Rosha

combatmaster





2000+ years of living in the same location is not 'squatting'.

By your reasoning, all non Africans should exit their lands jobs and homes right now willingly and happily and give them back to the 'original inhabitants' - the African native population who first arrived and so, who have sole claim to them.



OK.... and the british from india and hongkong, and the belgian from the congo and the palestinians from Israel etc etc....

Again.... a people know as the 'palestinians' did not exist 2000 years ago, so why do you say 2000 years is not squatting. It was more like 200 years.

I really have to go to work now Rosha but i have to tell you that you are way off regarding the palestinian history. The people and the geographical area, both reffered to as palestinian are not the same thing or from the same period in history and you (among other on ATS) mix these up way too often, it becomes disinformation.

So unless you get your facts straight regarding palestinians i really cant be as**d to reply anymore!





Hm maybe, though maybe you just cant be ass*d because somewhere deep way down in that over-weaned, uber entitled, Zionist infused and fueled mindset you know as well as I do, that there really is no justification for what has occurred to these people at the hands of Zionist Israel since the Balfour declaration no matter what anyone says.

I admit freely to many gaps in my knowledge base. I was not there thousands of years ago, so I do not know for 100% anything.
What I do know is what there is to know, when you look for truth and that truth begins to reveal itself when you comprehend that Jew Muslim Christian and non believers lived in relative community in Palestine long before the Zionists arrived. This is a matter of common historical record.

Genetic testing also proves the local populations pre-historic links to the area unequivocally. This is a matter of scientific record. Social community ties spanning centuries verifiable by agri-archeology, law and lore and immigration genetics also proves there has been and is, a common association of this people in and to this land over the past milena.

And if those facts don't do it for you, then the unedited footage itself, of bloodied children gunned down by tanks and helicopters, of homes in rubble, of farmers killed for planting trees and schoolgirls being shot 55 times for being in the wrong' place ought to. These events only began AFTER Zionist invasion. If these 'small facts' dont speak to you, nothing will.

What Zionist Israel has or has not entitled these people is irreverent to their Self Identification. They identify as Palestinian, yes moreso today than ever as today they have a desperate need to identify this way as it is a natural response to dehumanization efforts being done to them. Though in wider reality, they are the people of Palestine. They always have been. They LIVED there.

These are actual facts, provable via science verified in biblical and historical record alike, and so, they are not Zionist speak "good facts". So I do have my 'facts' straight. Do you?

The Israelis call what they do in the occupied territories " Purification". The rest of us call it what it is - Genocide. So I also retain my moral gyroscope well enough to know that these are facts, along with the countless numbers of children's bodies now entombed in rubble, that can't be ignored no matter how hard you try or wherever you run to.







Something important to read before you leave.... Auschwitz survivor speaks

"He said: “The Israelis tried to dehumanise the Palestinians, just like the Nazis tried to dehumanise me. Nobody should dehumanise any other and those who try to dehumanise another are not human."


Never again - for anyone.


signing off


Ro
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I honestly feel sorry for you, as a fellow human being, if you actually believe in your comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany.

If only you knew!



posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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combatmaster


I honestly feel sorry for you, as a fellow human being, if you actually believe in your comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany.

If only you knew!




SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES



posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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I really cant get over the bleeding hearts in this thread



posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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Rosha... Are you trying to make a fool of yourself with those pics?

Look.... you can post still pictures of whatever you want. But I am the last person you wanna send pics like this to. I have lived in these warzones, with both palestinians and jews. I was there for many years. Dont you think that might be a little more worthy than a few outta context pictures?

Have you ever been to Gaza, WEst bank? have you lived there with the locals, have you seen with your own eyes and not through a camera lens??? Because I have.... and i sure as heck dont need someone like yourself, who has never stepped foot inside the place he seems to know so much about, to send me pics of the sitrep.

You are running way in over your head. I would suggest you stop.



posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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combatmaster
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Rosha... Are you trying to make a fool of yourself with those pics?

Look.... you can post still pictures of whatever you want. But I am the last person you wanna send pics like this to. I have lived in these warzones, with both palestinians and jews. I was there for many years. Dont you think that might be a little more worthy than a few outta context pictures?

Have you ever been to Gaza, WEst bank? have you lived there with the locals, have you seen with your own eyes and not through a camera lens??? Because I have.... and i sure as heck dont need someone like yourself, who has never stepped foot inside the place he seems to know so much about, to send me pics of the sitrep.

You are running way in over your head. I would suggest you stop.





Really CM?
This low?
Anyone who disagrees with you is a fool? Really? Cm If speaking and standing for the truth is being a fool then yes, I guess to you,I am a fool. Gladly so. Better that than morally and intellectually negligent.

FTR, Ramallah 86-89 and activist for the region for over 30 years, not to mention grandfather and brother both dead fighting to stop just this kind of ideological insanity - any questions? Oh, I also have a PHd in international relations and two masters, biblical archeology and history, a diploma in psychology and currently undertaking coursework in traumatology - am I "qualified" enough to have an informed opinion yet CM? Or must I go back in time and reincarnate as a 2500 yr old Palestinian native in order to be considered 'informed'?

Whats more, I have been called every name under the sun by people far more educated than you and with much better skills at manipulation, people who also use tactics like the one you just employed above. So this poorly attempted intellectual intimidation does not scare me and is just more proof of the insidiousness of 'zionist speak' and its dynamics of denial.

Those pictures ARE in their rightful context. And even if I had none of the personal experiences or any credential that allowed me to place them there, I still dont need a flipping degree or even half a brain to see whats happening right in front of my eyes.

Ultimately Zionists through their own actions have engineered their perfect enemy and between that enemy and Israel my focus remains on the human rights of the people and children of Palestine, most of whom want nothing to do with either.

The pictures stand and speak for themselves. If it waddles, quacks, flaps and sh*ts like a duck..its a duck... and it remains that there is NO context in which the murder of innocent children is ever justified. None. Period. End of story.


Rosha



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posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 06:27 PM
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Rosha

combatmaster
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Rosha... Are you trying to make a fool of yourself with those pics?

Look.... you can post still pictures of whatever you want. But I am the last person you wanna send pics like this to. I have lived in these warzones, with both palestinians and jews. I was there for many years. Dont you think that might be a little more worthy than a few outta context pictures?

Have you ever been to Gaza, WEst bank? have you lived there with the locals, have you seen with your own eyes and not through a camera lens??? Because I have.... and i sure as heck dont need someone like yourself, who has never stepped foot inside the place he seems to know so much about, to send me pics of the sitrep.

You are running way in over your head. I would suggest you stop.





Really CM?
This low?

If speaking and standing for the truth is being a fool then yes, I am a fool. Gladly so. Better that than collaborator or intellectually negligent.

Ramallah 86-89 and activist for the region for over 30 years, not to mention grandfather and brother both dead fighting to stop just this kind of ideological insanity - any questions? Oh, I also have a PHd in international relations and two masters, biblical archeology and history, a diploma in psychology and currently undertaking coursework in traumatology - am I "qualified" enough to have an informed opinion yet CM?

Whats more, I have been called every name under the sun by people far more educated than you, and with much better skills at manipulation, people who use tactics like the one you just employed above. So this poorly attempted intellectual intimidation does not scare me and is just more proof of the insidiousness of 'zionist speak' and its dynamics of denial.

Those pictures ARE in their rightful context. And even if I had none of the personal experiences or any credential that allowed me to place them there, I still dont need a flipping degree or even half a brain to see whats happening right in front of my eyes. Israel has killed or run off most if not all the intellectuals in Palestine, but they haven't got world domination on that front just yet.

Ultimately Zionists through their own actions have engineered their perfect enemy and between that enemy and Israel my focus remains on the human rights of the people and children of Palestine, most of whom want nothing to do with either.

The pictures stand and speak for themselves. If it waddles, quacks, flaps and sh*ts like a duck..its a duck and it remains that there is no context where the murder of innocent children is ever justified.
None.


Rosha






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Im sorry to hear about your family and that tragedy. My parents' entire families were wiped out during the holocaust ( i dont have and aunts or uncles or cousins cos the one uncle i did have was killed during Yom kippur war....), so i feel you. Dont get me wrong. I would never wish death upon innocent civilians, i have spent my entire life with Arabs rather than around Jews and i plan to do so in the future, it is simply how i was brought up. I am not a racist or a bigot.

But i am a realist. And i have met many people who share your opinion. I realize you feel more educated than many might be in regards to whatever it is that you studied.


There are some things that cannot be easily put into words. This is my problem. I dont have the time nor the skill to express certain things that i have witnessed. Certain traits in human behaviour and sociological effects of a population. A frame of mind. So forgive me if i cannot write a dissertation or coursework to 'correct' your views.

You were there for 3 whole years (30 years ago...)
WOW! You are more than qualified to make an informed opinion. But it is an opinion. I dont care about opinions, only truth. and truth is found within people hearts n minds, by their actions in life, and by witnessing events for real, not through a camera. Not in a textbook. but by knowing, speaking and living the life of those people that the textbook studies.

You stay in school. I will stay living, as i have my entire life, within the populations of these nations, and you can believe and study and take part in activist get togethers. I will keep on looking at Palestinian men holding their daughters as human shields (not through a camera, alas with my own 2 eyes), and you can believe what you believe. I will see what i see.



posted on Jan, 13 2014 @ 03:24 AM
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Hmmm. First I'm not educated enough, now I'm just too darn educated? Which is it please? History, science and archeological evidence, personal experience and education isn't enough now and I have to go LIVE there to be considered informed now?? Sheesh. Funny how that old switcharoo keeps happening....and funnier how the media is only ever wrong or out of context when it shows a viewpoint you dont like too hm?

Listen, I am so over this thread, but in hope for the kids of Palestine and for what its worth, you are giving people a perfect education as to the twisted logic that got the entire world roped into this mess, so do continue, please.

So...human shields eh? And only those pesky Palestinian 'terrorists' do it right? Yes, we've all seen the pictures. Lets see what else the camera says...and thank you again for the opportunity to respond!




IDF apparently not using a 13 yr old boy as hood ornament/ human shield.



IDF apparently not using a 14 yr old blindfolded boy as a human shield either.



An Israeli woman not being forced to defend a 8 yr old Palestinian boy from an enraged IDF solider.



11yr old boy Gaza, not being taken blindfolded with adult men to an IDF prison.



4 IDF 'soldiers' not pulling faces and laughing while using 14 yr old kneeling blindfolded Palestinian girl as sport.



Hebron settlers not being racist to unarmed Palestinian woman.



Jewish man not tormenting local Palestinian woman by throwing wine in her face.


The UN report also stated that an estimated 7,000 Palestinian children aged 12 to 17, but some as young as nine, have been arrested, interrogated and detained over the past ten years. Many are brought in leg chains and shackles before military courts, while youths are held in solitary confinement, sometimes for months, the report said. It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone. Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings and forced them to stand in front of military vehicles....
...almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted.



So..there's a different view for you of what the IDF actually does on your watch Cm.

We could go tit for tat some more if you would like... though as more images are released, uncensored, unedited, untainted ones, and as more raw footage comes in without Zionist applied spin and sanctioned contexts, and so as more and more people are shown the actual reality of daily life in the occupied land of Palestine, the truth deliberately kept from the majority of Israeli people this past decade is being revealed. Finally. And finally, the people of the state of Israel along with the world at large are slowly waking up to the spin and lies and the floor beneath the Zionists looses cohesion daily. Its been a long war...and yes, a long 30 years of listening, watching reporting observing and speaking out.

Unlike the German ppl in '45/6 though, in Israel at this time, and thanks in part to images such as the above and to independent journalists ( living and those already killed by the IDF), eyewitness testimony ( from both sides) and the testimony of IDF soldiers and airmen themselves who can no longer stomach it, no one, not one person inside Israel can say 'Oh I didn't know'. They so do. And in knowing it, they are responsible. This is a good thing as one way or another, they certainly will be held accountable.


Last but not least, if your family was indeed wiped out, then you, most of all , should know better. You have my empathy but not one ounce of sympathy, I cant give that as I would be dishonoring them as much as my own ethics to give any leeway to the same thing happening to the kids of Palestine as happened to you. If you take a step back, which you need to to to reflect and consider this issue with any reason at all, then you must be able to see that the lies, murders, justifications, the tools of terror being applied...these ARE quintessential nazist tactics....much more, you should know better than most, the reality of cost and consequence of what the IDF is doing and how insidious the addiction to abuse cycles feeding this occupation is.

You, more than most, should also be acutely aware that not one Palestinian is reported to have harmed a single Jewish person in ww2. Not one...yet they have become the bearers of this, Israels collective shame, its collective sickness, victim-hood and rage, gifts received in return for the simple act of opening their doors to refugees no one else wanted and resisting death at IDF hands.

:/

As for me, I'll keep shouting from the rooftops...if its all the same to you...I'll call a spade a spade.







Ro.
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posted on Jan, 13 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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Wow... the fact that you consider yourself (and considered by institutions) educated and knowledgable in the truth of the matter in this area is actually worrying!

I really hope you will someday know it as i do, the way it is.


P.s dont even get me started on those pics... this is beyond words.

Im out!



posted on Jan, 13 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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combatmaster
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Wow... the fact that you consider yourself (and considered by institutions) educated and knowledgable in the truth of the matter in this area is actually worrying!

I really hope you will someday know it as i do, the way it is.


P.s dont even get me started on those pics... this is beyond words.

Im out!



Yes, they are beyond words, how a people could allow themselves be dragged so low. I agree.

I thought you might dash off after that one and throw me a slur on the way out ...because its 'just me' right...this mad defiant woman who knows nothing right?

Hm.

Burning Conscience, IDF vets speak out

The zionist story

Choice and Truth - BBC

Rabi Josef Antebi speaks out.
Rabbi Josef Antebi (born in Hebron), who was tortured by Zionists in an interview made in Amsterdam

Israeli myths and propaganda
Professor Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian speaks out


No, I'm not a lone mad woman, not by far. The truth speaks for itself, if only eventually, always inevitably. It doesn't need me to hold it up. Eventually this too shall pass you know...this argument will end and what will remain is the plain and simple truth..murdering children - is wrong. Period.

I know how hard it can be to face to the truth when it is placed in front of you, so I leave you to it in peace.


be well

Rosha


edit on 13-1-2014 by Rosha because: typo



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