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New ObamaCare "Fees" coming in 2014

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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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Thanks...a hobby of mine.

Honestly? I pretty much figured as you describe,I have an ex who is a physician as well as several friends.

The ones I know are running scared: they dislike the process as much as the rest of us do and realize their lives will change also.

I foresee a lot more private pay " under the radar" services because of this mess.

I truly believe many in the medical profession believe in what they do...many people don't understand that with skyrocketing malpractice insurance costs and fees, operating expenses, and the fact that insurance companies aren't paying what they're used to getting that even many doctors are struggling!



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posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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beezzer

BubbaJoe


I have no problem with that, negotiate your salary.


That's good.



There are a lot of healthcare companies to work for.


There is a demand.


Why are there so many in the US, they have become for profit businesses, responding to the demands of their shareholders.



They are responding to the needs of the communities that they serve.



Basic healthcare should be a not for profit enterprise, not saying those providing the service should not be fairly compensated, but there should be nothing left for shareholders to collect.


Then there won't be shareholders and no-one to create the facilities to provide for the need.

Unless you go to the government, then "they" can be the shareholder. THEY can determine profit margins, they can determine service.
That scares the hell out of me.

I work for a catholic organization. Out of every 5 people, 1 cannot or does not pay. 20% of our treatment is free.

Gratis.

No questions asked.

We treated those "uninsured" regardless. There is no need for government intervention. Sadly, with the advent of Obamacare, we've actually seen a larger increase of people who look for "free" healthcare.


Nothing in life is "free".


Beez, in the city I live in, there is more facilities than sick people, they are fighting to do mri's and cat scans. That is all I here on the radio is ads for medical facilities. I am fortunate, I receive my care through VA, and they have been great. When Dr's and Lawyers have to advertise, we as a nation are done for. Sorry for my thoughts, but the medical profession sucks at this point in time, in my opinion, and I have a son in law in med school, and several other family members in the profession. There is no need for others to profit from someone's misery.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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There's rumor going around that Obamacare wants to close 1/3rd of all the hospitals and treatment facilities I the country.

They want to centrally localize.

It sounds as if you are in favour of this plan.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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There's rumor going around that Obamacare wants to close 1/3rd of all the hospitals and treatment facilities I the country.

They want to centrally localize.

It sounds as if you are in favour of this plan.


I haven't seen that rumor, so you have me on that one. Not that I think it is wrong or right, I haven't done the studies. My underlying belief is that basic healthcare should be not for profit. Example, my kid bumps his head, and needs a couple of stitches, I take him to the ER, now he needs a cat scan, xrays, and mri, and a plastic surgeon. Back in my day, an intern would have thrown a couple of stitches and been done. Difference is, back in the day 250 bucks, and now it is 27,500.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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Then just say no and get the stitches.

That's what the rest of us do.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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beezzer
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Then just say no and get the stitches.

That's what the rest of us do.


Been to the ER lately, they charge you for all kinds of things whether they do them or not. I hit the ER in 2005, they charged me for 14 vein punctures, at 25 bucks a piece, and when I woke up, I had 1 IV in my arm. I spent 42 hours in the hosp, left with a 14K bill. I understand where you work may be different, but some of these corporate medical facilities are absolute failures.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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Probably so many country songs being written about Obamacare right now.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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beezzer
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Then just say no and get the stitches.

That's what the rest of us do.


Have you actually tried that in the ER, I have, it doesn't work very well.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:45 PM
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BubbaJoe

beezzer
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Then just say no and get the stitches.

That's what the rest of us do.


Have you actually tried that in the ER, I have, it doesn't work very well.


Yes. I have. Reality check- hospitals don't want to charge you for things you can't pay for.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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beezzer

BubbaJoe

beezzer
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Then just say no and get the stitches.

That's what the rest of us do.


Have you actually tried that in the ER, I have, it doesn't work very well.


Yes. I have. Reality check- hospitals don't want to charge you for things you can't pay for.


Beezer, I have tried it too, doesn't work very well. I have a niece that has all kinds of medical issues, her daddy, my bil, has a mid 6 figure income, it doesn't work very well for them to ask to not have things done. A year ago, they did a mri on my niece for appendecitus, and then wanted to do another to check her ovaries, last time I checked, none of those things were very far apart on a 110 pound lady. I understand you are in the profession, but please do not defend it to the death, your profession has problems, just like many professions have.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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My "profession" has it's problems.

But you don't break the system in order to correct something wrong with it.

Obamacare is having a leaky faucet, calling a plumber, and in order to fix the leak, they wreck your tv and stereo.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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My "profession" has it's problems.

But you don't break the system in order to correct something wrong with it.

Obamacare is having a leaky faucet, calling a plumber, and in order to fix the leak, they wreck your tv and stereo.


I would agree, and I think the law we have now is a very poor start to try and fix the issues with medical care. What makes me angry is that, instead of trying to fix it, the Republicans have voted 42 time to defund or repeal it. It appears to me that certain politicians want to continue to let for profit med, big pharm, and insurance companies rape the American public in their quest for the almighty dollar.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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Prior to Obamacare, most were happy with their healthcare coverage and options.

Obamacare was supposed to just take care of the 30 million who didn't have insurance.
Add to that the 5.9 million who got dropped due to Obamacare,

Now we have 35.9 million who don't have coverage, and people are paying more for poorer coverage.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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Prior to Obamacare, most were happy with their healthcare coverage and options.

Obamacare was supposed to just take care of the 30 million who didn't have insurance.
Add to that the 5.9 million who got dropped due to Obamacare,

Now we have 35.9 million who don't have coverage, and people are paying more for poorer coverage.



Maybe I am in a unique demographic, but I am not sure anyone I know was happy with their healthcare coverage. With double digit percentage increases in costs on a yearly basis, co-pays and deductibles increasing every year, and prescription drug prices ever increasing. We pay more for healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and our healthcare is rated by some as only the 34th best in the world.

The only thing Obamacare has created is a greater political divide in this country, but hopefully lead to a meaningful discussion of changes that truly need to be made. If everyone could escape the right/left paradigm and actually put forth and discuss meaningful changes, we might actually have a healthcare system that would effectively serve all Americans.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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I agree that healthcare should not be politicized.

But we need to look for solutions other than government intervention.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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That is the problem. It might have to take a government intervention at this point. Rising healthcare costs in the US are due mostly because of the for profit nature of healthcare. To combat that, ultimately the best ideas would be either government mandated price fixing or a socialistic approach to the healthcare system.

The problem with a socialistic approach is that rather than increased premiums and deductibles of our still barely current system, you will have reduced care as costs increase due to natural inflation and budget woes. With price fixing, innovation in new methods are punished by not being covered under the price controls. Because if implemented back when the Constitution was signed, medicine today would be still be all about blood letting with leaches as we tried to balance or remove foul humors within the patient. Because blood transfusions and other modern methods would not be part of the fixed price list.

But Obamacare as is, is not the solution nor a step in the right direction. Having all three branches of government conspiring to subvert the limitations of Constitution does no one any favors towards remaining America. Case in point, look at the recent decision that the judge held that allows the NSA to openly violate 4th Amendment protections. Last I checked, a phone was considered a personal affect and should require a warrant to be issued only with due probable cause that criminal activity had been conducted. After all, phone location metadata could show I spent 15 minutes parked in front of a known terrorist's house. The inference could be made that I left the phone in car while I went inside to meet with them. When really I could have been there changing a flat tire on the side of the street and just happened to be parked in front of their house. No receipt for a tire plug or showing the paint scrapping on the jack from where it had been used is going to save you from when they kick in your front door at 3am to take you into custody for questioning.

And yes, Obamacare is a little bit like that, because the IRS has their little private kangaroo courts to insure you pay the fines they think you owe if you happen to be one of the early signups on the website that glitched. You think you had it, the site said you had it but in reality, you didn't have it. And you will have your refund check adjusted when you file.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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AND...here in lies the issue, you hit the nail on the head.

Dropped.

Just had lunch with a fabulous gal-pal: she works 45-60 hours a week at 2-3 different jobs because no one in her "field" will give her a full time job anymore.She is 47 with over 25 years experience in retail.

One 17yr. old daughter whose "deadbeat Dad" passed away from a drug overdose last year...no child support.

Both are wonderful women, focused, disciplined, and they "get by"...however...she just received a notice that not only was HER "personal insurance" through one of her jobs with a high premium dropped" but that the Medicaid her 17yr. old was eligible for previously was ALSO now null and void because she "makes too much"

She is Caucasian (I mention this because it's South Texas and TRUST ME, it "matters" here) and as I mentioned she works hard, just finished 26 days straight 12 hours a day on her feet only to be dropped and told she "makes too much to qualify for any subsidies" although she's barely getting by in spite of her best efforts!

Not one "affordable" policy or subsidy or program available to her, she has exhausted herself looking.

So...here's the kicker: is it even WORTH IT for her to keep trying to work as she always has? She was in tears and I couldn't offer her anything positive.

Not only is this FARCE not going to address any "healthcare" issues, I'm seeing firsthand the OTHER problems that it will cause!!!

Hard working people WILL Be left high and dry without "insurance" as well as their kids...that is NOT who "they" care about, obviously.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Hard working people are being punished.

the wealthy don't care.
The poor get it free.

But if you are working, you are being punished because you are not one of the elite nor are you one of the poor.

If you don't need government, you will be punished for your independence.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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Single payer works in Europe and Canada because the hospitals (for the most part) are state owned.

It also works well elsewhere because medical professionals are paid (again, for the most part) the same flat rate.

We'd have to restructure "America" in order for this to work.
(In other words. . . . )
There'd have to be a fundamental transformation in order to pull this-. . . . . . . oh.


Well,

Works well ?

If you think VAT taxes and stupidity means 'works well'.

Oh and then Canadian, European diets are unlike in America.

Then of course that is discounting the difference in currency values.

Latest exchange rates 500.00 USD = 363.770 EUR.

And the final nail in the world healthcare systems comparisons if the above doesn't compel people.

The US has a larger population than either Canada and Europe:

Canada population: 35 million which is less than the total number of people on a US goverment healthcare program like Medicare.

In fact we have double the Canadian population on 'government ran healthcare' which by the way is a 'single payer'.

Don't like Medicare. We still have double the number of people on Medicaid than the entire population of Canada.

Whoa in fact we have near 4 times the number of people on medicaid, and medicare, than the entire population of Canada.

Around 100-120 million people both citizens, and 'undocumented'.

Those with open eyes will see between those 2 programs( medicare, and Medicaid) we have more people than our northern neighbors, and any single EU country on 'state ran healthcare'.

Really is funny when one thinks about it:

'Hey that healthcare is so cheap in Europe!'

What they don't say is the difference is made up by other taxation as the VAT etc.

Oh and please feel free to correct me here if there is a single European country that has over 330 million people plus them 'undocumented' that accounts anywhere between 30=-40 million more people.
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posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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All excellent points as well!

Single-payer, Obamacare, whatever you want to call it just won't work here.



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