New ObamaCare "Fees" coming in 2014

Anybody wants to wager that when the republicans get back the whitehouse in 2018, that romneycare will still be there.

ketsuko
reply to post by jrod

 

The problem is that our government would run it.

Name me one government agency that is not bloated, corrupt and so inefficient that it could actually run your health care in a timely and efficient manner. Look at the NHS. It's one of the largest employers in the world with more employees than the US military has soldiers. If a country the size of Britain has that many bureaucrats to run their single payer system, then imagine the mess America's would become. Two thirds of the country would be employed by it with the rest trapped in it.

Oh, and usually there are laws keeping you from having any recourse to any other system if the one your government runs isn't any good or decides that you should just have the pain pill rather than pay for a perfectly viable treatment for you or diagnoses you with an aggressive cancer and tells you that your treatments will just begin in about six months because that's how long the waiting list is ... good luck.

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The NHS didn't used to be run by bureaucrats or "health administrators". Used to be the case that every ward was run by matron (just like the "carry on" movies). Several events changed the way NHS hospitals were run.
It's a sort of urban legend in hospitals now, but it gets reduced down to Maggie Thatcher going into a hospital one day and seeing cleaners using buckets with three concentrations of bleach to clean the wards. She was outraged at such extravagant waste, when in fact three different levels were used to clean the ceilings (mild), walls (medium) and floors (strong). This was developed to optimize the hygience of wards. She was furious and decided right there and then that cleaning services, previously a hospital department of their own should be privatized.

The next problem was that people wanting to become nurses didn't like having to make beds and clean out patients wounds or lifting patients. They just wanted the fun bits like doing injections, using high-tech machinery. So the training courses had to be adapted.

The administrators came in because the TV channels kept making fun of the NHS for opening hospitals before housing subdivisions had been built. This was in the 1960's when new cities like Milton Keynes were being built. It seemed ludicrous that in one county, a ward would be completely empty yet in another county, there would be a waiting list six months long. The solution was to have an "internal market" where hospitals could buy services from each other. The NHS is now moving to a system where there is one large specialist hospital in each part of the country. The worst case hospitals usually have the administrators working in their own plush office block away from the wards. Other hospitals give each administrator a room in each ward.

dukeofjive696969
Anybody wants to wager that when the republicans get back the whitehouse in 2018, that romneycare will still be there.

If it is, the country won't be United States of America anymore.

reply to post by beezzer

America has a square hole. The US Constitution defines the hole as square.

lol.................nice analogy

I live in switzerland, here we have compulsory health insurance.
It worked really well in the beginning, the cost was next to nothing and everyone could afford it.
As years passed, all the insurance companies (which are privately owned) managed to form a cartel and increase the price steadily, year by year. Now the difference for insurance between insurance firms is almost zero, and no difference is made if someone is healthy, young, old, smoker, male or female.
The price for the premium keeps increasing and increasing, to the point that many can't afford it and rely on the government to pay for it. The government simply takes money from the middle class and uses it to pay the premium of the poor (with increasing numbers every day).
Meanwhile the cost of the actual care didn't increase at all.
We are not that far from communism

You americans are doing a mistake by letting the corrupt government enslave you.

reply to post by Ansky


Nice advice, makes no difference now. Kinda like telling the slaves to free themselves from bondage while they are all in shackles, on their knees with their owners hovering over them with whips and rifles.

reply to post by guohua

Congressional Democrats delayed these provisions in order to show only six years of spending under the plan in the original 10-year budget window (from FY2010-19) used by CBO at the time the law was enacted. Therefore, the original estimate concealed the fact that most of the law’s spending only doesn’t even begin until four years into the 10-year window. A Senate Budget Committee analysis (based on CBO estimates and growth rates) finds that that total spending under the law will amount to at least $2.6 trillion over a true 10-year period (from FY2014–23)—not $900 billion, as President Obama originally promised."

And this was July 2012, what's the new estimate?

reply to post by irishchic


Hey homie love the pole, my sister is doctor and they are already putting screws to them. If they want their license they will have to take the policies. They are gonna strong arm them or regulate them into compliance.

The doctors are not going to have a choice just like we don't have a choice.

Go figure, did not expect it to be different did you.

The Bot

beezzer

dukeofjive696969
Anybody wants to wager that when the republicans get back the whitehouse in 2018, that romneycare will still be there.

If it is, the country won't be United States of America anymore.

Now you silly negative rabbit, you know it will take much more than that for the good ole U. S. A. to go away.

Stop talking like that and get back in my skillet lol...

The Bot

ketsuko
These things really burn me.

My husband has a coworker who has a special needs child. This type of tax will hit her family right where it hurts, and then there will be the insurance Armageddon coming next fall.

Depending on age. That child might be able to get disability insurance from the state itself. Then from there they can get medical at no cost.

My state allowed my special need son to claim disability from the state at age of 10 years old. He is 21yo now.

Good luck

beezzer
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

Single payer works in Europe and Canada because the hospitals (for the most part) are state owned.

It also works well elsewhere because medical professionals are paid (again, for the most part) the same flat rate.

We'd have to restructure "America" in order for this to work.
(In other words. . . . )
There'd have to be a fundamental transformation in order to pull this-. . . . . . . oh.

I have some very good friends in Canada and Europe, they are happy with their health care system. Why shouldn't we pay our health care professionals a flat rate? Why should someone's misery become a profit for someone else? I realize I sound like a major socialist here, but why should healthcare be a for profit industry? Serious question.

dlbott
reply to post by irishchic

 

Hey homie love the pole, my sister is doctor and they are already putting screws to them. If they want their license they will have to take the policies. They are gonna strong arm them or regulate them into compliance.

The doctors are not going to have a choice just like we don't have a choice.

Go figure, did not expect it to be different did you.

The Bot

In all honesty, did your sister become a doctor because she wanted to help folks, or did she become a doctor to make a boatload of cash? I have a pretty poor opinion of the medical profession, but know folks on both sides of that equation. Health care should not be a for profit business.

Folks, please don't get me wrong. I am not a huge Obamacare supporter, but believe some huge changes need to be made to our healthcare system here in the USA. One of my biggies, while I do believe that Dr's need to make fair compensation, I do not believe shareholders should be involved. Basic healthcare should not be a for profit business.

BubbaJoe


I have some very good friends in Canada and Europe, they are happy with their health care system.

Good.

Why shouldn't we pay our health care professionals a flat rate?

So you want a society where government gets to dictate what you are worth?

Why should someone's misery become a profit for someone else? I realize I sound like a major socialist here, but why should healthcare be a for profit industry? Serious question.

Why shouldn't it be? Why should my years of learning, education, training, and experience be determined by a bean-counter sitting behind a desk in DC?

reply to post by beezzer


Beezer,

I honestly don't think anything should be determined by bean counters in DC.

Your years of learning and education should be compensated.

However I do not believe basic healthcare should be a for profit industry, as it has become.

BubbaJoe
reply to post by beezzer

 

Beezer,

I honestly don't think anything should be determined by bean counters in DC.

Your years of learning and education should be compensated.

However I do not believe basic healthcare should be a for profit industry, as it has become.

What's the alternative? Either I get to negotiate my salary or I don't.

beezzer

BubbaJoe
reply to post by beezzer

 

Beezer,

I honestly don't think anything should be determined by bean counters in DC.

Your years of learning and education should be compensated.

However I do not believe basic healthcare should be a for profit industry, as it has become.

What's the alternative? Either I get to negotiate my salary or I don't.

I have no problem with that, negotiate your salary. There are a lot of healthcare companies to work for. Why are there so many in the US, they have become for profit businesses, responding to the demands of their shareholders. Basic healthcare should be a not for profit enterprise, not saying those providing the service should not be fairly compensated, but there should be nothing left for shareholders to collect.

BubbaJoe


I have no problem with that, negotiate your salary.

That's good.

There are a lot of healthcare companies to work for.

There is a demand.

Why are there so many in the US, they have become for profit businesses, responding to the demands of their shareholders.

They are responding to the needs of the communities that they serve.

Basic healthcare should be a not for profit enterprise, not saying those providing the service should not be fairly compensated, but there should be nothing left for shareholders to collect.

Then there won't be shareholders and no-one to create the facilities to provide for the need.

Unless you go to the government, then "they" can be the shareholder. THEY can determine profit margins, they can determine service.
That scares the hell out of me.

I work for a catholic organization. Out of every 5 people, 1 cannot or does not pay. 20% of our treatment is free.

Gratis.

No questions asked.

We treated those "uninsured" regardless. There is no need for government intervention. Sadly, with the advent of Obamacare, we've actually seen a larger increase of people who look for "free" healthcare.


Nothing in life is "free".

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