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posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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What part of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN don't you understand.....different from citizen!!!!




posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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reply to post by buster2010
 


Wrong!!! You evidently can't read....go back to my link about NATURAL BORN CITIZEN...THE SUPREME COURT continues to dodge the issue, but the precedents do show that it takes 2 citiizenS parents.



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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You're not pointing out I'm wrong, you're skirting the issue and not looking at the links and precedents..



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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reply to post by AutumnWitch657
 


DUH, by reading the Vattell Law book, and reading the Supreme Court precedents and understanding the term Natural Born Citizen...for the 10th time read the link!!!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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OK, people continue to not understand Natural Born Citizen, so lets address the points I made that have not been refuted.
1) Kerning on the copies submitted by the White House.
2) Race listed as African while others of same year use Negro.
3) Multiple experts have concluded that the released BC copies are multiple layered with multiple different types of lettering.
4) The 2 digit Selective Service stamp that was the wrong kind of stamp used in that year.
5) The Obama lawyers admitting in Court that the BC was not real!
6) The fact that Obama's SS number he used the most once belonged to someone born in 1890 in Connecticut!
7) Who is really Obama's father! He sure does look like Frank Marshall Davis who was having an affair with Obama's porn star mother.
And I know there are many more......

Let's also discuss that the race issue is not logical. I'm 12.5% American Indian yet I never claim to be an Indian.
Barrack Hussein Obama by tracing his heredity is 50% White, 43.75 % Arab descent, and only 6.25% Black descent.....so why all the racial issues????

Private investigators have found nearly 40 SS numbers used by Barrack Hussein Obama and his aliases.

Now also ask yourself what other President has been investigated so much?
Has changed laws without Congressional approval.
Has held position with U N, which is clearly against the U S Constitution.
I have an expression that like to quote......"If it looks like a duck, has feathers, a beak, web feet, flies, swims, eats like a duck.....it's damn sure probably a duck."

Well I have concluded 5 years ago that Obama was a fraud, bent on pushing an agenda contrary to everything I learned in 6th grade Civics class. He has never been properly vetted, he surrounds himself with Liberal friends and appointments who have nearly ZERO private business experience. He continues to push Liberal policies that have been tried and failed all over the World.

The Elitist that control him Bilderberg, Federal Reserve, Tri Lateral Commission, Rotshchilds are the real enemy of our Country and the World.

If you are against my Country and the U S Constitution YOU are my ENEMY....if you defend Barrack Hussein Obama you are my ENEMY, since 1913 this Country has been controlled and led in the direction of compete total destruction.....BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is their choice and has been groomed to put the final nails in the coffin of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 02:24 PM
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Another theory is Obama could be an adopted orphan born in a foreign country.

If that's true, and he was "awarded" citizenship by adoption, and a birth certificate was issued by court order by ways of a closed adoption, then how would THAT legal scenario play as "Natural Born Citizen" ?

Keep in mind that all adoptions court actions get sealed automatically.

This was applicable in Hawaii 1961...

AdmRules1/8 8A B VR Admin Rules.pdf


This could be what they seem to be hiding.

A good way to "Prove" something is to keep showing something else isn't true.

Good possibility that all the court cases are frivolous for a reason.

If they discredit something enough times, there's only one default.

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posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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You mean precedents like Perkins v. Elg where the Supreme Court found if a person is born on US soil, regardless of heritage, they are natural born citizens? In the court's decision it even stated that Elg was eligible to be President even though both her parents were Swedish nationals and she had lived most of her life in Sweden.



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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COMPLETELY WRONG!!! Naturalized citizen is not 'NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"....it's different...here's the case....supreme.justia.com...
Nowhere does it use the phrase, "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"!!!!!!

NEXT!!!!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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LaElvis
COMPLETELY WRONG!!! Naturalized citizen is not 'NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"....it's different...here's the case....supreme.justia.com...
Nowhere does it use the phrase, "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"!!!!!!


Reading comprehension is not your strong point, I see.... you missed this bit from your link


Page 307 U. S. 350 (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States,"


So as you can see it does use the phrase "Natural Born citizen"!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:22 PM
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LaElvis
OK, people continue to not understand Natural Born Citizen, so lets address the points I made that have not been refuted.


They have been refuted, but you refuse to accept that fact....


1) Kerning on the copies submitted by the White House.


It is not kerning... and it appears on similar BC's from Hawaii
kdenningeriswrong.blogspot.com.au...

You'd almost think they were typed with the same typewriter? It's very difficult to look at this evidence and conclude that there is any validity to Denninger's claim that there is evidence of kerning on the Obama long form, and that implies it could not have been done with a typewriter.



2) Race listed as African while others of same year use Negro.


Why would the race of someone from Africa be negro" Have you looked at the instructions of what to put there, as if you had you would have seen

Check one or more races to indicate what the father considers himself to be)

www.cdc.gov...


3) Multiple experts have concluded that the released BC copies are multiple layered with multiple different types of lettering.


No real expert would declare a document to be "multi layered" when they have never even seen the document....
www.nationalreview.com...

I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home



4) The 2 digit Selective Service stamp that was the wrong kind of stamp used in that year.


According to whom?


5) The Obama lawyers admitting in Court that the BC was not real!


no she did not - what she actually said was


And then the Judge in summing up said

There appears to be no affirmative requirement that a person endorsed in a nominating petition for the presidency present to the Secretary of State any certification or other proof that he is qualified for the office, at least not at the time when nominating petitions are to be accepted or rejected by the secretary ... In this matter, as the petitioners' objection is that Mr. Obama has not provided the secretary with proof of the place of his birth by means of a birth certificate or otherwise, the lack of any obligation on his part to do so means he has not failed to act in accordance with the applicable law.



6) The fact that Obama's SS number he used the most once belonged to someone born in 1890 in Connecticut!


No it did not - that is just a silly story birthers made up - you "forget" that Obama's SSN was used on his tax returns and Selective Service application, and would have been picked up if it was false.


) Who is really Obama's father! He sure does look like Frank Marshall Davis who was having an affair with Obama's porn star mother.


This shows how desperate birthers are getting - what evidence is there that Obama's mother was a porn star, and why does it matter if she was?


And I know there are many more......


many more stories made up by birthers, and they have all been thrown out of court.


Private investigators have found nearly 40 SS numbers used by Barrack Hussein Obama and his aliases.


no they have not - I suggest you do some real research, and you will see how silly that claim is.



Has held position with U N, which is clearly against the U S Constitution.


no, it is not. care to provide some proof that it is?
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posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:31 PM
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Again, YOU can't read...YOU took it out of context, as it was referring to another case (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), an if you continue reading.....MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS took no part in the consideration and decision of this case.....No it wasn't taken up!!!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:35 PM
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You evidently continue to twist and confuse.....

The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants
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MEANING THAT THEY DO NOT AGREE NOR RULE ON IT!!!

The decree will be modified accordingly so as to strike out that portion which dismisses the bill of complaint as to the Secretary of State, and so as to include him in the declaratory provision of the decree, and as so modified the decree is affirmed.

Page 307 U. S. 350

(Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States," and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport, but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship.

The decree will be modified accordingly so as to strike out that portion which dismisses the bill of complaint as to the Secretary of State, and so as to include him in the declaratory provision of the decree, and as so modified the decree is affirmed.

Modified and affirmed.

MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS took no part in the consideration and decision of this case.

* Together with No. 455, Elg v. Perkins, Secretary of Labor, et al., also on writ of certiorari to the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.
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posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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I'm tired of doing your homework....prove to me it wasn't because I know they used that phrase in court.

www.teapartytribune.com...



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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LaElvis
I'm tired of doing your homework....prove to me it wasn't because I know they used that phrase in court.


Hold on, you are the one making the silly claim, it is up to you to back that claim up - which you are unable to do!


www.teapartytribune.com... /


I showed you what the lawyer actually said in court and the judges summing up when he also said Obama did not have to show proof....
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posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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WOW you are really that ignorant....too me 2 seconds...


The recent Major Cook lawsuit contains evidence proving that Obama has listed he lived at 149 different addresses and has used 39 different social security numbers!

“The evidence contained in exhibit B shows that Barrak Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 Social Security Numbers prior to assuming office as president. The Social Security number most commonly used by Barrak Hussein Obama is one issued by the state of Connecticut, the state where Barrak Hussein Obama never resided and shows him to be 119 years old.

This coupled with the fact that Mr Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate department and had access to the Social Security Numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr Obama and his claims of being born on U.S. territory.



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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WOW you are really that ignorant....too me 2 seconds...


The recent Major Cook lawsuit contains evidence proving that Obama has listed he lived at 149 different addresses and has used 39 different social security numbers!

“The evidence contained in exhibit B shows that Barrak Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 Social Security Numbers prior to assuming office as president. The Social Security number most commonly used by Barrak Hussein Obama is one issued by the state of Connecticut, the state where Barrak Hussein Obama never resided and shows him to be 119 years old.

This coupled with the fact that Mr Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate department and had access to the Social Security Numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr Obama and his claims of being born on U.S. territory.



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Looks like some Senators are waking up.....of course they are up for reelection.

networkedblogs.com...



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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The BC you claim to be real....fails Everify!!! Admit that he is a fraud, why defend an obvious terrorist???



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 04:15 PM
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LaElvis
The BC you claim to be real....fails Everify!!!


What are you babbling about now? How do you "Everify" a BC? You really do not even know what you are posting here!



posted on Dec, 26 2013 @ 04:23 PM
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The one *Glaring* error on the BC is the race of Barack Sr.

"African" was not an official race.

The BC clearly asks for "Race" not "ethnicity"

Neither is "European", "American", etc.

Ann Dunham's "Race" is listed as "Caucasian".

see page 231 under "Race and Color"
VITAL STATISTICS OF THE UNITED STATES 1961

Sometimes even the best laid plans fail





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