reply to post by itsallgonenow
This whole thing is a waste of time and a moot argument.
Obama's father was not a citizen at the time of his birth, nor was he ever a citizen. Obama could have been born in the Lincoln bedroom, and it
wouldn't have made one bit of difference. The entire Birth Cert issue has been a red herring from the very start.
Obama qualified to be a CITIZEN at birth! I don't dispute that! He was not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN though. His father was a Kenyan citizen and a
subject of the British Crown at the time. If you think that's what a "natural born citizen," is, I just have to disagree.
When someone is "natural born" there can be no question of his allegience and loyalties. If two Mexican immigrants become US citizens, and THEN
have a child in the US, that child is a Natural Born citizen of the US and may run for POTUS someday, as both his parents were citizens of the US at
the time of his birth. If one or both are NOT citizens at the time of the child's birth in the US, then that child is still a CITIZEN, EQUAL to ALL
other citizens IN EVERY WAY, natural born or not, and may run for EVERY political office in the US, except one.
POTUS is the only political office in the UNited States that requires Natural Born Citizenship, and the clause doesn't stop ANYONE of ANY race,
creed, religion, whatever, of being POTUS. It just stops, or WAS supposed to, one type of person, and that is a person who could have divided
loyalties among nations because ONE of his parents was NOT a citizen of the US, and NEVER was. He has natural "divided loyalties," but no natural
What would be the point of adding the NBC clause to the office of POTUS, since all other offices are ALSO open to all "citizens," natural born or
not? The Denyers like to say "if he qualified for citizenship at birth, then he's a natural born citizen."
No. That's what the sealing of Obama's original birth records in Hawaii has been about all this time. He qualified for citizenship, but his mom
probably had to fill out a little paperwork first as his citizenship was not Natural (2 different national citizenships from the parents at the time
I will try to make it simpler with 2 examples:
Example 1: (most of America) Mom is a citizen. Dad is a citizen. Baby is born in the US. What other citizenship would that baby ever claim but the
citizenship of his parents? He/She is a Natural born citizen, as there is no other possible claim to make.
Example 2: (Obama) Mom is a citizen. Dad ISN'T a citizen. Baby is born in the US. This baby is different than the previous example, because this
baby COULD claim citizenship from either parent's home nation, and either parent's home nation could claim him as a citizen. He is therefore NOT a
NATURAL born citizen of the United States, because someone "natually born" a citizen of the US would have no other possible claim of citizenship
from any other nation, but for Obama, his father could claim his citizenship from Kenya, therefore he is NOT a NB US citizen.
He IS a citizen of the US with all other equal rights, except to run for ONE political office, because that ONE office requires that he be BORN with
NO other POSSIBLE loyalties to any other nation, being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
But hey, I'm not unrealistic. America believed the lies about his eligibility and was browbeaten into accepting his legitimacy via a coddling, PC
media that thought it would be oh so super and tolerant of us to elect a black person as POTUS, regardless of some stupid, outdated NBC clause in the
US Constitution. The media knows what's good for us.
He's in until the Apocolypse, or until 2016. He's hurting the extreme left brand like no other POTUS in US history, and is waking people up to the
fact that he just might not like us all that much, here in 'Mercka.
Do you know the politics of his father from Kenya? The one he had Dreams from? The commie/marxist drunkard who hated America and Britain? Yep,
that's Barack's father, the one he has dreams from.
Also, just a point of interest, notice his book title is "Dreams FROM my Father," not "of" my father. When you get something FROM someone, they
pass it onto you. These drunken dreams of the downfall of the West were passed FROM his father, to him, and he's doing his level best to fulfill
those dreams from his father.
We elected a guy whos Kenyan citizen father despised America and the West, but yeah, He's NATURAL BORN FOR SURE! He would NEVER have any divided
loyalties! HE WAS BORN HERE!!! BIRTHER!
Birthplace, in the minds of the founders, who had just thrown off the British empire, didn't have anything to do with it, outside of qualifying to
be a CITIZEN, not POTUS. It was divided loyalties based on parentage that caused the NBC clause to be placed in the office of POTUS and ONLY the
office of POTUS. They knew a Senator/Governor, whatever, might have divided loyalties, and might even be able to do some damage, but they knew no
such office could take over the entirety of America, and do the entire nation harm, so they specified the NBC clause for the ONLY office they felt
necessary. The ONE office that, if abused by someone with divided loyalties, could do grave harm to the entire nation, not just one state or
district, or town. I wonder why they felt it so necessary to protect this ONE office from someone who might have even the slightest inkling of
divided loyalties? I guess the founders were just a bunch of dummies, way more ignorant than us sages of today.
A citizen (Not a NBC! )with dual citizenship/loyalties can run for ANY office in the land, and win, and govern, LEGALLY! The founders had NO problemo
with that! Senator! Representative! Judge! (all the way up to the Supreme Ct!) Governor! Councilman! Mayor! ALL THOSE OFFICES ARE OPEN TO ALL
CITIZENS, natural born, or not.
All except the ONE office that require(d)s natural born citizenship. POTUS.
Orly works for Obama, and always has.