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Zcustosmorum
reply to post by maus80
Thought provoking thread, I'd like to think the ancients knew this stuff because all these shapes are found across nature in some form or another.
Snowflakes for example, some are big enough to actually see the shapes.
maus80
This geometric structure of space creates perfect equilibrium, and scales inward and outward to infinity. Meaning every "section" of the structure can contain an infinite number of smaller sections with the same geometry, and is part of a larger section, that is part of a larger section, on to infinity. It's nice to have a visual for how infinite space can exist!
AliceBleachWhite
With respect, in my opinion, I think all this is a bit grasping in attempting to force a philosophy of symbology into some validity based on a loose laymen understanding of Scientific Geometry.
The quoted statement above could apply to any shape. It could apply to a square. It could apply to a circle. It could apply to an abstract. 'infinite' repetition of a single pattern or patterns is fractal.
There's nothing magical about it at all really.
The pixels on your computer are all one shape repeated over and over, but, just different colors to form these words, or anything you desire on your screen.
AliceBleachWhite
Further, "Infinity" does not in actuality exist in our universe.
It cannot exist in our universe.
1a. Because the universe is Finite.
1b. Any fraction of infinity is also Infinite; such is the nature of infinity.
1c. Because there is verifiable rarity, this indicates no Infinity, because any fraction would also be infinite.
2. Because the Universe is Finite it cannot contain anything larger.
We can have abstract FINITE representations of the concept of "infinity", but, even the fastest computer in the universe could not ever count to or quantify an Infinite value in entirety.
AliceBleachWhite
Further, "Infinity" does not in actuality exist in our universe.
It cannot exist in our universe.
1a. Because the universe is Finite.
1b. Any fraction of infinity is also Infinite; such is the nature of infinity.
1c. Because there is verifiable rarity, this indicates no Infinity, because any fraction would also be infinite.
Since we cannot observe space beyond the limitations of light (or any electromagnetic radiation), it is uncertain whether the size of the Universe is finite or infinite.
maus80
I think that a lot of people don't realize that almost all ancient symbols are 2D representations of 3D structures,
...So now there is still one important piece of the puzzle missing...creation,
but creation is represented by both the standard cross,
and the swastika.
It's really great that we live in a time when the most base and important secrets of existence are once again known to man. I'd really like to know how the ancients knew all of this, why they chose to preserve it in 2D with no written explanations, and what can be done with this information now that we have it again! I'm betting it can be used to scale universal energies, creating solutions to all of our power needs. The future is the past is the future!
muzzleflash
AliceBleachWhite
Further, "Infinity" does not in actuality exist in our universe.
It cannot exist in our universe.
1a. Because the universe is Finite.
1b. Any fraction of infinity is also Infinite; such is the nature of infinity.
1c. Because there is verifiable rarity, this indicates no Infinity, because any fraction would also be infinite.
You wouldn't be able to actually know this either way, our perspective from Earth is too limited to make such determinations with any accuracy.
Verifiable rarity? Did you make that terminology up?
Anyways, wikipedia has sources and explains this information so I suggest you read up a bit before stating matter of fact the Universe is finite when we have no way of knowing for sure.
Since we cannot observe space beyond the limitations of light (or any electromagnetic radiation), it is uncertain whether the size of the Universe is finite or infinite.
Universe (wiki)
AliceBleachWhite
If the Universe is indeed infinite, any fraction or part of it would also be infinite.
maus80
reply to post by AliceBleachWhite
I think you are drastically missing the point. I'm talking about infinite 3D geometry...this is not algebra.
If finite spaces cannot exist inside of infinity, please explain the Koch snowflake.
Edit:
Just to be clear, the geometry I am showing here, when applied to existence, would NOT create an infinite universe.edit on 25-12-2013 by maus80 because: addition