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The JFK assassination---The Big Event made Simple---50 years is long enough!

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posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 10:19 AM

butcherguyWhy would that Marine pick a piece of crap like the WWII surplus Mannlicher Carcano? It couldn't be expected to give very good accuracy and it certainly isn't what even a deer hunter would wish to carry, much less a fellow that is getting geared up to assassinate a popular US President.

I can imagine that he picked it out because it was cheap and powerful enough to get the job done.

I own a Carcano that is nearly identical to the one Oswald allegedly used. The only difference is that I have a Weaver scope mount and a cheap 1" scope. It is in pitiful condition, the bore is black and pitted and the fixed sights are better suited to holding on a target at 300 yards. The bore is in such poor condition that ammunition expected to move 2100 fps does only about 1950 fps when I tested it over my chronograph. With my Carcano I can shoot five rounds into a five in inch group at 100 yards. This accuracy is good enough to hit a human sized target at the 90 or so yards that JFK was shot at from the TSBD.

Oswald's rifle was probably in better condition than mine. But even if it wasn't, there is no reason to believe it is unsuitable for hunting deer or humans. Let's compare it to a Winchester M94 chambered in 30-30; a very common deer cartridge. The 6.5 mm cartridge used in the Carcano is a bit more powerful and the longer slender bullet has far superior ballistics than the typical 30-30 flat noise required for tube magazines. with a soft point bullet the Carcano will serve well as a hunting rifle, with a fmj bullet it has very good penetrating characteristics.

If you read about Walter Bell, you will see what the 6.5x54 cartridge is capable of.


posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 10:43 AM

Everyone knows that JFK went after the Federal Reserve via Ex. Order 1110, which got well into PERMINDEX issues of big banking support.

There is no JFK EO 1110. Here are the EO's signed by JFK.

I find your PERMINDEX issues (and just about everything else you clam) to be totally unconvincing.


posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 11:08 AM
It is very obvious that Lee Harvey Oswald and George de Mohrenschildt were good friends and the infamous Hunter of Fascist becomes interesting per General Walker. George was White Russian, meaning from the area of Minsk.

de Mohrenschildt became so afraid of the Big Event games that he moved to Haiti to become well separated from the PERMINDEX operations to help kill JFK, with LHO as the intended fall guy. When the Investigations intended to call de Mohrenschildt to gain his knowledge, he was found with his brains blown out. He was another one that knew too much, and knew the PERMINDEX associations with Lee Harvey Oswald.

George de Mohrenschildt was good friends with another White Russian named Jean DeMenil, who married into the Schlumber Oil service family and lived in Houston. So, the ties are LHO to even DeMenil via the White Russian Community of Dallas/Houston are obvious.

George's de Mohrenschildt wife even knew Abe Zapruder and this appears how Abe landed in such a fine film spot in Dealy Plaza.

De Menil and Schlumberger were involved in helping to put Castro in power
in Cuba, and later in attempts to overthrow him, in operations involving both
the CIA and George Bush's Zapata Offshore oil company. More importantly, Jean
de Menil was a key figure in Permindex, the corporate front for the assassins
of John F. Kennedy and the numerous attempts on the life of French President
Charles de Gaulle. Permindex was closely linked with British Intelligence's
Special Operations Executive of Sir William Stephenson and Col. Louis Mortimer
Bloomfield, and with the FBI's secret Division Five, headed by Bloomfield.


George's White Russian Texas Pals

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 11:22 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

So, the biggest secret is the competing interests of PERMINDEX per its International games, vs the JFK affairs of state, which they tried to usurp to defy both Eisenhower and Kennedy. Then enters these Hungarian associated cross overs that infect things from the Harvey / Vary operations in New Orleans, to the USAEC's Dr. Urey discovery of the person they wanted to secretly use to off Castro using cancer science chicanery methods.

PERMINDEX's foreign interests wanted Castro left in place due to control over drug money, but hated the Castro switch to the Communist side, but that also locked out drugs from Cuba.

PERMINDEX operativew were behind the LHO trip to Russia to get the U-2's exposed and shot down. Then via th same PERMINDEX connections, Lee Harvey is back in New Orleans working with Dr. Oscher and the INCA gang to kill Castro. When JFK efforts with the Soviets and Castro became so advanced, LHO served more the purpose as fall guy for them. That was spurred on via a pot shot at General Walker.

So, it is essential to figure in PERMINDEX operations with Lee HARVEY Oswald, and the Guy Banister (Mr. B) games in New Orleans. And even the INCA ant--Communism alliances that were happening at the time that soon became a like interest via Robert Welch, Rockefeller, European Banking Oligarchic Fascism interests to which General Walker pushed in Germany.

Good read on INCA:

INCA Reference:

Another good reading book is this one called The JFK Conspiracy:

The JFK Conspiracy

edit on 25-12-2013 by MagnumOpus because: added link

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 11:34 AM
JFK's Executive Order 11110, which offended the profit taking by the Federal Reserve Banks that sought to use and abuse the People of the US.

One can find that Ronald Reagan also stepped in to block the Jim Garrison investigations into PERMINDEX, and even blocked extradition of witnesses for Garrison. Reagan was the one that shut down totally the JFK EX ORD 11110.

A good part of the JFK John Birch plotters were centered in California, and Reagan was protecting that plus the Federal Reserve's control over the US.

Executive Order 11110 was issued by U.S. President John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963.


E.O. 11110 was not reversed by President Lyndon B. Johnson and the section added to E.O. 10289 remained on the books until President Ronald Reagan issued Executive Order 12608 on September 9, 1987 as part of a general clean-up of executive orders.[14] E.O. 12608 specifically revoked the section added by E.O. 11110 which effectively revoked the entire Order.

Executive Order 11110

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posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 11:45 AM
reply to post by PhoenixOD

Oswald was pictured outside as the shootings were taking place, surely wasn't him.

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 12:51 PM
With a little bit of digging around anyone can find the connections of PERMINDEX with Rockefeller Banking, and the Swiss Banking firm associated with Tibor Rosenbaum, and from there all the Hungarian connections that started much of their collaborations:

In Washington, Nagy kept important ties with the US government and the CIA during the Cold War. In 1956, Nagy and the CIA were accused by the Soviets of being behind the Hungarian uprising.


In conclusion, what we now learn from documents of the Bloomfield Archives is that Dr. Nagy was the initiator of contacts with David Rockefeller at the beginning of year 1960, and that Rockefeller did collaborate with Permindex and CMC in order to speed up the development of his World Trade Center organization.

Some PERMINDEX Secrets for You

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 01:05 PM
One of the biggest secrets in Oak Ridge is how they got all their nuclear weapons work, and sent things into overdrive on nuclear weapons production to gain a clear lead on nuclear weapons levels by the US.

Lee Harvey Oswalds secretive work with PERMINDEX and DISC agents is what ended the Eisenhower Peaceful Coexistence process of the 50's. That triggered the building of the Berlin Wall in August of 1961, or

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart" .


Berlin Wall Ref:

Lee Harvey Oswald even returned to Oak Ridge as part of more work in New Orleans to make a viral linked agent to cause Cancer in Fidel Castro and kill him, so the Soviets would not suspect he was murdered.

LHO was a hero for Oak Ridge for setting up this process of huge rates of nuclear weapons production, which persons like General Curtis LeMay wanted to use to provoke a Soviet War and put an end to Communism forever. It is helped along by a scam process called Operation Northwoods being pushed on JFK by Lyman Lemnitzer.

LHO came to call in July 1963 Oak Ridge, and saw a good deal of the work his PERMINDEX efforts to break off the Peace efforts with Russia did to set the stage for a Nuclear war with Russia:

OAK RIDGE — A copy of a 1963 visitors registry at the old American Museum of Atomic Energy appears to show Lee Harvey Oswald visited the Oak Ridge museum four months before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Lee Harvey Oswald-PERMINDEX asset--visits Oak Ridge

So, once one knows the Russian language on the Berlin War as being Anti-Fascist protection barrier, then take note that LHO considered General Walker as a Fascists. Then one begins to note the JFK and LHO are on the same song to prevent Fascism from taking over America.

LHO actually approved of JFK's actions on General Walker, and Gen Walker hated LHO and JFK.

edit on 25-12-2013 by MagnumOpus because: Fascist alliances

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by Ranb40

It isn't about the power of the cartridge. It is the Italian war surplus weapon and the rapidity of the shots fired. I am not a novice to the world of firearms, and have shot Carcanos.
If you canvassed snipers, doubt that any would willingly choose that rifle from the ones available in 1963.

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 02:16 PM
The Hungarian Revolution was a huge part of the Communist fear induced into the US from the 1956 time frame. Hungarians organized a huge revolt against the Russians and at first they won against one Russian tank division, then the Russians get really mad and set in many tank divisions and killed off 5,000 Hungarians in short order and sent some 200,000 others fleeing into the US and West. Many coming into the US ended up in Indiana and places like the Salton Sea. The Soviets won by sending in 1,000 tanks and declared victor on Nov. 11, 1956. And some think Nov. 22 is partly symbolic.

Hungary was a country of 20% Nobles and their names with Y's were often symbolic of those Noble titles. And one can follow much of they hidden to American's symbolism and find it in various Zionist efforts as well as anti-Communist themes that involved PERMINDEX and some American USAEC and CIA crossovers.

The news of 1956:

11 November, 1956
Soviets claim victory over Hungarian freedom fighters.
Fighting in Budapest has died down. Up to 5000 civilians are reported to have died or been wounded. Many buildings in central Budapest have been damaged or destroyed. Thousands of refugees begin fleeing across the border to Austria. Some 200000 eventually escape to the West.

Hungarian Revolution

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 02:32 PM
Since Hungary was the rally point against Communism in late 1956, then it is important to look at the fall-out of that Hungarian Revolution. The US ended up with Ferenc Nagy, and tons of other Hungarians came to the West.

Indiana got a large Hungarian population and persons like William Harvey lived in Indianapolis.

The Hungarian Club is there:

Hungarian Club web site

Hungarian Hall is over in Terra Haute, Indiana, where Hungarian Judyth Vary is from in the US and she has Hungarian roots and even goes to live there:

Hungarian Hall

And Lee Harvey Oswald appears to have both Jewish and Hungarian roots:

"The day after the assassination Mrs. Jack Tippit, of Westport, Connecticut was telephoned by an unidentified woman. This woman said she personally knew Oswald's father and uncle in New York City, who were from Hungary, promoted communism and lived at 77th and 2nd Avenue in Yorkville (NYC). This woman asked Mrs. Tippit to relay her information to Dallas authorities. This woman may have thought Oswald's relatives were communists, but in reality they were most likely working undercover for our government."


Lee Harvey's Hungarian roots

Harvey name's Jewish surname associations:

"Hartz, Hartzell, Harum, Harvey, Hasenfeld, Hasida, Haskiel, Hassan, Hasse, "


Harvey Surname origin

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 02:46 PM
So, Nagy ends up in the US over the first Communist deal:

Nagy and family to US

Nagy meets Truman

Then this huge CIA like operation forms in Europe, but their name is PERMINDEX. The very same year that the Russians win the Hungarian Revolution, the PERMINDEX operation is established.


Oddly enough, Permindex was incorporated in Basle in 1956, the same year when Ferenc Nagy travelled to Germany and Switzerland on the eve of the Hungarian uprising. It is certainly not by pure chance that Nagy, Wisner CIA’s asset, choose this busy period of his life to become one of Permindex’s directors. In all evidence, Nagy proximity with the CIA and the fact that at the same time he associated with Permindex is enough to let us conclude that Permindex was related to Wisner’s anti-Communist crusade, in as much that it was directed by Nagy, one of CIA’s important collaborators in its anti-Soviet operations. Also, the facts that the Italian Gladio network was revealed to be coupled with the P2 freemasonic lodge and that Bloomfield described Permindex’s George Mantello as a 33rd degree Freemason, tend to indicate that Permindex may be intricated with the CIA’s Italian Gladio network.



posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 02:57 PM
Speaking a bit on the theme for the Y in Hungarian names one just has to take note of this work:


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The Hungarian Y symbol for Nobility

Thus, once anyone in the JFK theme notices this theme of Anti-Communism connected with Nagy and that magic Y name convention that was popular in Hungary.

Then, it is relevant to notice the names of Harvey connected with Oswald and William Harvey of Indiana, the name of Vary with admitted Hungarian origins from Indiana, the name of Dr. Urey who discovered Judyth Vary and plugged her into the kill Castro game in New Orleans using Oak Ridge hero Lee Harvey Oswald.

Then one finds all the origin for the JFK round of anti-Communism and who was fanning the flames to light up Eisenhower and JFK as Communists, and just what foreign element made their own version of the CIA to kill Communists. And William Harvey is right in the middle of Rome and the PERMINDEX HQ for a time.

They the dots become ordered into a contiguous line for the motives of those that sought to kill JFK, and play one element in Dallas against the other to insist on making LHO the fall guy.

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:03 PM
Then we can see the connectivity of Judyth Vary to Lee Harvey O. and Russian Speaking affinity.

We also discover a Herold Urey of the Manhattan Project with huge connections to Oak Ridge nuclear weapons plants. Urey went to Columbia University in NYC and became part of the Manhattan Project and designed the gas diffusion project for Oak Ridge. And Lee Harvey was their hero.

"In March 1961, at age 17, she became the first high school student to attend the elite Science Writer's Cancer Research Seminar, a 5-day national meeting of science writers and the world's most important cancer research scientists, where her research was inspected by top American Cancer Society (ACS) officials, research scientists, and Nobel Prize winners Dr. Harold Urey and Sir Robert Robinson, who began to mentor her work."


After Dr. Urey and the doctors examined her lab and records in her high school laboratory, Dr. George Moore invited Baker to spend the summer of 1961 in Moore's own private laboratory at Roswell Park, in Buffalo, New York, the oldest important cancer research center in the United States."

Judyth Vary Hungarian Connections

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:10 PM
Then one finds this huge Connection of Urey to things PERMINDEX and Zionist linked:


"April 17, 1951
TEL AVIV (Apr. 16)
Prof. Harold Urey, American Nobel Prize winner and one of the world’s outstanding scientists and atomic energy experts, arrived in Israel today. He will remain here for several days during which he will establish contact with Israel scientists."


Urey and Israel

Then Urey and Einstein take on the Russians on Jewish issues:


"January 23, 1953
NEW YORK (Jan. 22)
Prof. Albert Einstein and Dr. Harold, C. Urey, the atomic scientist, today made public statements condemning the Soviet drive against Jews. The statements were sent by the two leading scientists to the New Leader, a weekly publication in New York, which has been fighting Communism for many years. Prof. Einstein said: “It goes without saying that the perversion which manifests itself in all the official trials staged by the Russian Government, not only that in Prague, but also the earlier ones since the second half of the thirties, deserves unconditional condemnation.


Urey and Einstein

The Hungarian Connections with the Manhattan Project doesn't stop there because Edward Teller is a Hungarian Scientist on the H-bomb for the USAEC and he goes to Israel to teach them how to build H-bombs with LBJ and Hoovers tacit approval.

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:15 PM
Then Harold Urey is defending Communist spy operations against the US.

Harold Urey and the Jewish interests even get into the Rosenberg spy case. It appears he was giving information to Israel scientists on nuclear projects along with his Jewish Manhattan Project associates, so when he made appeals for the Rosenbergs he had wider range concerns. All the Rosenbergs had to do was give up their contacts, and they would not get the Death Penalty. They elected not to give up their contacts.


"In 1952 the trials of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and Morton Sobell attracted Dr. Urey's attention. The Rosenbergs, accused of atomic espionage and given a highly publicized and controversial trial, were eventually sentenced to death. Sobell, tried as a co-conspirator, was given a long prison sentence. These cases became causes celebres during in the Postwar era. Reading the trial documents, Dr. Urey seriously questioned whether the Rosenbergs and Sobell had received justice from the U.S. courts. He publicly expressed his concern, urging clemency in letters to President Truman, the trial judge and the New York Times. Urey's efforts brought him a flood of mail, some critical, some hateful, some favorable. Among the favorable responses was a letter from Albert Einstein, who wrote to Urey: "Your intervention in the Rosenberg case has been one of my most heartening experiences in the human sphere." This letter is filed with Einstein correspondence, box 29 of the papers."


Urey and the Rosenbergs

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:25 PM
Now one can follow the Hungarian connections to Israel via Ed Teller giving Israel all the H-bomb secrets, due to PERMINDEX interests having double-crossed LBJ and Hoover on the JFK hit. Now PERMINDEX owned the White House and all the USAEC nuclear secrets.


"For some twenty years, Teller advised Israel on nuclear matters in general, and on the building of a hydrogen bomb in particular.[53] In 1952, Teller and Oppenheimer had a long meeting with David Ben-Gurion in Tel Aviv, telling him that the best way to accumulate plutonium was to burn natural uranium in a nuclear reactor. Starting in 1964, a connection between Teller and Israel was made by the physicist Yuval Neeman, who had similar political views. Between 1964 and 1967, Teller visited Israel six times, lecturing at Tel Aviv University, and advising the chiefs of Israel's scientific-security circle as well as prime ministers and cabinet members.[54]
At each of his talks with members of the Israeli security establishment's highest levels he would make them swear that they would never be tempted into signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.[55] In 1967 when the Israeli nuclear program was nearing completion, Teller informed Neeman that he was going to tell the CIA that Israel had built nuclear weapons and explain that it was justified by the background of the Six-Day War.[56] After Neeman cleared it with Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, Teller briefed the head of the CIA's Office of Science and Technology, Carl Duckett.[56] It took a year for Teller to convince the CIA that Israel had obtained nuclear capability; the information then went through CIA Director Richard Helms and then to the US president at that time, Lyndon B. Johnson.[56] Teller also persuaded them to end the American attempts to inspect the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona.[56] "

Ed Teller Hungarian

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:29 PM
The Hungarian oriented PERMINDEX demanged huge patronage to Israel to counter JFK's ban the bomb issues, and the open door to theft of USAEC nuclear materials ran wild under LBJ and Hoover.

The plants that Harold Urey designed for the Manhattant Project and USAEC now supplied Israel nuclear materials via the NUMEC plant in Apollo, Pa.

"The Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep) will release this month a 300-page report detailing the initial findings of a multi-year research project investigating the disappearance of highly enriched uranium from the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (Numec) in Apollo, Pennsylvania in the 1950s and 1960s.

Grant Smith, the director of IRmep, told The Daily Star that the report would include a broad range of newly declassified and un-redacted government documents from various agencies – including the Department of Energy, Atomic Energy Commission, FBI and CIA – that prove that nuclear material was diverted from Numec to Israel."


"The DOE reported in 2001 that 269 kilograms of highly enriched uranium went missing from the Numec plant during the course of its operations under Shapiro’s management from 1957 to 1968.

Suspicion has long swirled around the possibility that the missing uranium was diverted to Israel. Both the FBI and CIA conducted years-long investigations into the missing uranium, but no charges were ever filed.

Previously declassified documents revealed that some of Israel’s most elite spies visited the Numec facility in 1968."

Israel Nuclear weapons material thefts

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:37 PM
Now, we can back-track a little and get into the issues of LHO and his stay in Minsk. Here Lee Harvey met a hot Jewish girl named Ella German, and the recent 50th news has new speculations on if Anna might have changed Lee Harvey's plight with PERMINDEX and the spy world on Communism Vs Capitalism.

This then made Marina and rebound issue, as Harvey's first love was Ella.

As the Marina Marrage failed, he goes for Hungarian that knew Russian in the same manner which he likely started learning Russian.


"On January 1, 1961, Oswald wrote: “New Years I spend at home of Ella Germain. I think I’m in love with her. She has refused my more dishonourable advanis, we drink and eat in the presence of her family in a very hospitable atmosphere. Later I go home drunk and happy. Passing the river homewards, I decide to propose to Ella.” Oswald appears to be serious here. He comes across, in his diary, as a little impulsive or, perhaps, taken with himself, but he had known Ella for several months, and it was not uncommon for people at that time to marry in their early twenties."


The story of Lee Harvey and Anna

posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 03:42 PM
Then we can go check out the friends of Lee Harvey in Minsk, which was a Jewish area for TV manufacture. Perhaps LHO returned to many of his roots with that trip, as the Russian Jewish community knew the surname Harvey.

LHO's time in Russia and his first Love. Ella German and all LHO's co-workers in Minsk were Jewish and had to run from Hitler's Fascism


"In 1960 and early 1961, before Oswald met his future wife, Marina Prusakova, the people who inhabited his world were mostly Jews. Even though their Jewishness had been attenuated and warped by their Soviet experience, it flickered on. It was, in fact, unmistakable. Their religious identity colored their thinking about the Soviet Union, communism, the war, the West, God and man. They were different, even if they didn’t like to think of themselves as different, from the Russians."


Lee Harvey in Minsk

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