There is no one to blame but YOU America…!

reply to post by Propulsion


Thanks for having the sand to post this thread. You had to know that psychic harm was coming your way for the effort. Sure enough, the first reply I saw was someone telling you to "love it or leave it'.

What I want to talk about is what I believe to be the best option to not only preserve our great country, but to restore it.

My idea is a simple one that has about a zero chance of succeeding (?), but here it is:

Take the money out of politics. Give all qualified candidates publicly financed, equally allotted air time to broadcast their views and broadcast ads. Hold regular debates and add at least one or two viable political parties to the mix. I would also return to paper ballots with a well supervised and transparent counting system to insure integrity.

The free air time could be allotted in such a way as to allow for modern campaigners to use strategy and keep the competitions sharp. Something like x amount of 1 minute commercial tv spots to go with a regular, published debate schedule and televised speaking engagements.

The mega corporations can certainly afford to pay back a little by mandatorily donating the air time on their tv stations (with tax incentives no doubt). I'm sure they would choose this option over forfeiting their broadcasting licences.

This simple change in the way we elect our leaders and lawmakers is not a revolution, nor is it socialism, it's just good sense, and in my opinion, the best way to make great change without drastic measures.

If it works, imagine the changes in policy and direction that could take place.

I have touted this idea in public for awhile now and nobody, with the exception of a few of my more enlightened personal friends, will dare to discuss it with me, or even make comment on the idea.

Do you feel this is too drastic a measure or unworkable in any way, please tell me why.

80 % of World population desperately wants your place

reply to post by xavi1000


Really? Interesting.

Perhaps we can divert 500,000 Romanian welfare-seekers your way.

Great thoughts and everything, but WTF is complaining about it going to do? Great, good point, most American's are idiots and you can blame us for everything. But what can we do about it? What do you honestly expect a few hundred people on an internet forum to do, in order to correct the problems you seems to enjoy pointing out? Do I think you have valid points? Sure, absolutely. I agree with most of them, but the thing is, good luck raging against the very machine that YOU (OP) are part of. That's my two cents....seems like a moot point, to post yet another "holier than thou" thread.

NullVoid
reply to post by StalkerSolent

 

How to destroy a country like America ? Easy...

Rule 1: Follow the money.

Using Rule 1 above, the answer is obvious, destroy the money and we destroy the people who riding on it, that translate to the top 1% and TPTB and whoever in power.

No need weapon, no need suicide bomber, no need whatever else, just burn the dollar and everything else will fall into place.

What I hate about murrica is - the leaders are too greedy, they cross the border and trample the world while teaching "We are proud Americans" to the people.

Sadly I dont see this coming, people are too busy and too easy chewing fast food, why bother to change when all is good right ? Tell that to the Ipod factory worker in China or the Iraqi teacher who want to go to school and almost get bombed. Americans need to wake up, the world hate the country, its just they cant change it so they just keep silent. They just play along.

Everybody knows who is the bully in the class, but nobody said anything, we just ignore them.

If America really want to change, first step is learn about North Dakota Bank vs Federal Reserve or better - BitCoin or LiteCoin specifically.

Enough said, the donkey will continue to drink the poison water nevertheless what we all discuss. Oh I'm so proud being Americans, so well fed.

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So...terrific. We've destroyed large swaths of what separates America from third world nations?
I mean, collapsing the top 1% is going to take out all the producers. We'll be left with a workforce with no work. Is that really what we want?

And, look–it's really easy to hate on America. But we're not operating any differently than other great empires–in fact, we are operating with a great deal MORE restraint. Compare the US to Great Britain, Rome, Assyria, Japan, etc. etc. and you'll find that while the US does blunder about killing people in paranoid reactions to "terrorist threats" we don't kill bunches of people and enslave the survivors, or burn enemy cities and salt the fields or sacrifice the survivors to our gods.

I'm not saying our policies are OK. But I think that hating on the US is a bit tired by now, don't you? Perhaps we should think about the root of the problem, human nature.

I'm not saying our policies are OK. But I think that hating on the US is a bit tired by now, don't you? Perhaps we should think about the root of the problem, human nature.

reply to post by StalkerSolent


I beg to differ, to blame it on human nature is a tad too general. Its been decades since major war, but have a look at history without bias. The swastika rise, fall and rise again, so do the shining sun. Entire world progress with peace, granted there are wars, but its on small scale and usually localised or within country, over the decades, they change, with exception of a few.

The big power, (doesnt meant US alone) form a group and become police. Its fine to patrol or stop a war from spreading to other country, its agreeable, but to directly get involved is another thing, it smells of greed and worse, the people allow it to happen.

When the last time we heard Russian Communist walking on a different country ? and they are supposed to be the bad guy.

So, blaming it on human nature is a faint excuse, make another.

The only way to hurt greedy people is to destroy want it rooting for, usually money which translate to power, hence, destroy dollar = nation reform = no bloodshed = sovereignty and dignity still upheld, minor economy disrupt should be expected.
China did try and a man get rolled with tank, others did try to, just look at Arab Spring and various other places, people getting aware about their leader corruption and standing up to it. Americans ? Superbowl.

As a simple reminder of whats coming - see Greece, US at the brink of that in last ~2 years. Yes, America is too big to fall, but if it fall, it gonna hurt, big time.

Btw, Ron Paul is my choice

reply to post by parad0x122


No they just haven't been taught effectively how to deal with life and struggle to eat as ,of course ,it IS intended.I know very FEW people who are in fact stupid. I only LIKE people who have lived life and rougher types.
There are many hypnotized by media who are mostly young.
If we get a problem then we will handle it if not ourselves then with foreign aid.The world governments prefer we follow our Constitution too rather that see a return of "Stalin" commanding an American army.




There are vets,well trained vets who WILL stop any such attempt...if the military don't get the guy first .

OK so america is to blame, I'm so glad you ignorantly not only put this RANT in the wrong section, but while you are at it bunch up ALL of the western civilization as we know by saying only "America". North? South? Central? Quite the vast expanse of land.

I'm also excited you have the gall to blame the US (i hope by saying America in general that is what you meant) for ALL of the world problems. I guess according to your standards if we fix America we will fix the world.

Have you EVER just once looked at the news outside the states? Its nice to see the world isn't peachy-keen as our media would prefer you to see it. What you just ranted about describes basically every developed country on this blueish earth. Take back the power? How? When? ...Don't prep? and you want to incite a revolution?

How many people do you plan on "waking up" when not only do you NOT have any viable solutions, but you encourage them to fail? How many meetings per week do you hold and how many people attend them?

Again why in the hell is this rant left in ww3 forum? Do the mods really things any kind of civil uproar in the US could actually lead to WW3?


Now let's go into this realistically for a minute. What you ranted about is prevalent world-wide, not just in the US, however in the US our constitution DOES allow us to make changes. The US has the mightiest military ever, and the people that run it are people like you and me. Any thoughts of an immediate overthrow of our government...welll that won't even qualify you to martyr status. You will just be a dumbass.

You want to see a change? Form local groups, grab attention, make people listen to what you have to say.

Encourage them to prep, and not just with supplies, but with survival skills. Funny, every living thing on earth has that instinct, but humans have been desensitized.

It's NOT America's fault as you would like to proclaim, and if you really think it is i advise you to go become a Russian citizen, and make a similar post from Moscow....

me i'm all like oh just america? not corrupt world government? i call baloney over here

NullVoid

I'm not saying our policies are OK. But I think that hating on the US is a bit tired by now, don't you? Perhaps we should think about the root of the problem, human nature.

reply to post by StalkerSolent

 

I beg to differ, to blame it on human nature is a tad too general. Its been decades since major war, but have a look at history without bias. The swastika rise, fall and rise again, so do the shining sun. Entire world progress with peace, granted there are wars, but its on small scale and usually localised or within country, over the decades, they change, with exception of a few.

The big power, (doesnt meant US alone) form a group and become police. Its fine to patrol or stop a war from spreading to other country, its agreeable, but to directly get involved is another thing, it smells of greed and worse, the people allow it to happen.

When the last time we heard Russian Communist walking on a different country ? and they are supposed to be the bad guy.

So, blaming it on human nature is a faint excuse, make another.

The only way to hurt greedy people is to destroy want it rooting for, usually money which translate to power, hence, destroy dollar = nation reform = no bloodshed = sovereignty and dignity still upheld, minor economy disrupt should be expected.
China did try and a man get rolled with tank, others did try to, just look at Arab Spring and various other places, people getting aware about their leader corruption and standing up to it. Americans ? Superbowl.

As a simple reminder of whats coming - see Greece, US at the brink of that in last ~2 years. Yes, America is too big to fall, but if it fall, it gonna hurt, big time.

Btw, Ron Paul is my choice

Small-scale, localized wars aren't progress; that's pretty normal.

And greed? Yeah, but of a different sort. The American citizens aren't directly profiting from wars. The defense industry might be, but as a nation it has put us over our head in debt and overextended our armed forces. American citizens do not want war for greed. They want it to "protect human rights" or "prevent terrorist acts" or whatever. Anyway, ain't greed part of human nature? My point is that other nations in the position of the US would probably do the same thing.

I thought the Russians had gotten over their stint as a Communist nation, but the last time they stepped on someone was 2008 in their little war with Georgia. I realize that's a complicated situation, and, not knowing all of the particulars, I'm not hasty to rush to judgment. But Russian actions against Georgia (and, before that, their little bloodbath in Chechnya) looked a lot like US actions against, say Iraq and Afghanistan. The big difference is that Russian probably had a better justification when they sent tanks into Chechnya; Georgia doesn't seem so clear cut. Are they the bad guy? Well, I'd say they're playing realpolitik. (As opposed to Americans, who invade nations for allegedly benevolent reasons.)

Destroying the dollar not leading to bloodshed? That's an interesting idea. Doesn't major economic disruptions usually lead to rioting at the very least? And how would that stop greed? Greedy people are gonna be greedy no matter the currency.

And YEAH, Ron Paul For The Win!!

reply to post by RedmoonMWC


OOOOOkaaaay. But if that's a pirated copy website, thanks, but I prefer to give a person their just due for their efforts.

reply to post by StalkerSolent


Why destroy dollar ?
To stop the dollar manipulation. Statistic shown the dollar value dwindling, debt rising. So, how can dollar still the global money ? - Conquest, indirectly.

By taking the world stage as superpower, dollar remain relevant. While this is in progress, dollar plundered and siphoned out to the elites. Even I would do this , yes correctly its greed, but the result is very very bad for US in the world eyes, hence the hatred.

This chain of plan and balancing kept in check with various worldwide event. War here - CIA induced, riot there - CIA supported, WMD made up, 911 self executed etc etc, all just to strengthen power and make dollar valuable.

Once war start, deploy army, if country controlled - new source of income, if not captured - war fund rising, more money to plunder. In fact, captured or not, money still plundered, with sweet words of "For their good, a preemptive action taken to avoid the war escalating" blah blah blah. To break this chain, any one of the variable must be removed,

call back army - nope, stop making debt & reduce spending- Ron Paul tried, replace leaders - its all staged, no matter which side you choose it end up the same. Create new money and declare dollar useless - thats it.
Imagine you have millions/billions, you are powerful enough to say "Off with their heads", suddenly that money cant be used - dollar = 0. You are in big trouble answering all your wrong doings, right ? But, its still useless, smart big boys already sailed to EUR or CNY or JPY already . Actually US already in deep trouble. Easy to say, almost impossible to do. So, no worry dude, it wont happen.

The world sees and the world knows and the hatred kept and when you go to a website, suddenly you meet with the hatred. The world doesnt hate US because it successful or big, they hate US because being a bully and the once in charge gets away easily.

Its quite a shame, a country where world saw as a hero, turned evil in merely 40 years. Americans should realize something horrible, slowly a riot is anticipated and preparations are made, various law created and amended to keep people obedient. In short, with current law and progress, Americans pretty much lose almost all their liberty to stand up.

If you afraid riot, then dont worry, it wont happen, current law is cool enough to stop it.
Have a look at how much money being siphoned. I wonder how many people we can send to mars or feed if its used wisely. The best thing is, it need almost 10 other country to match the spending, nice way to go, muscle up!
Military spending ----- they got nice chart , easy for the eyes to see and brain to interpret. Anyway, I'm thinking of quitting this thread, I like watching porn better than typing garbage.

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Amen to that! I think this thread should have the following appended to the title:

#FirstWorldProblems.

reply to post by StalkerSolent

Russia is regrouping that cold war never stopped. China is doing it now as well.

jaytay
The majority of Americans are NOT responsible for the way this country operates.

Right?

Lumping an entire populous of people makes this argument fail every time.

The OP might as well blame an entire race for their poverty and stolen car while they're at it.

reply to post by Propulsion


I am so so sorry that I cannot achieve the IMPOSSIBLE. You placed the blame on the people, it is not the people. No one can change anything in any country without armed conflict. Since EVERYONE wants to be safe, including evil people, and of course you; you cannot blame anyone for choosing their peace and stability over death and chaos. I wish I was on a peaceful planet as well, but we just have to let things take their course. I actually believe expediting the process would cause MORE deaths rather than waiting.

Propulsion
“How do you look at Americans, and tell them that they are responsible for America going to hell in a hand basket”?

I struggle more with how to remind myself and those around me that we are no more deserving of 'freedom' than is every other man, woman, and child along with every thing having the living breath in it upon the face of the earth. And neither are we to be held more responsible than any other man or woman for the condition in which we find ourselves. Either we work together, each within his/her unique way ... or we continue to fall apart.

“How do you look at Americans, and tell them they are responsible for the deaths of countless thousands of men, women, and children”?

I wouldn't because it is not any more a truth of the matter than would be for me to say you, yourself, are responsible for my own brother's death.

“How can all of you “in the know”, allow all this to happen”?

How can you know any one else is in the know unless you are in the know yourself ... then, the question is turned back on your own head. My perception, at this time, is the ones in the know are in fact doing what it is they can to get the rest of us to face the truth ... and since it is not easy to look at it, most others are still fighting and blaming each other.

There is no easy way, is there?

yes ... we stop wasting time blaming each other and really look at how we each are a piece of the puzzle. Finding one's place could be much easier if we help one another rather than continue to fight and play the blame game.

Has Americans become so out of reach from reality, so out of touch?

Humans have in general become out of touch from reality, yes. And right now, we are at a time where it is difficult to see it because seeing it becomes, for a time, crippling in its own right.

Is that secure little bubble you live in so important, that you would be willing to let your fellow Americans burn at the stake for it?

???

Is it that precious, that you would be willing to sell off your soul?

I am one not so much in the know as much as I am one who wants to understand so i can find my own place and help others in the pursuit with finding his/her own place as well ... and i am speaking of all of us living on the planet. It goes much further than harming others .. we harm ourselves ... we harm the gifts given freely of nature ... we enslave ourselves, the animals ... we take and what we are calling giving is generally only in order to feel good about ourselves so we can take some more. IOW, we all are playing a part in the destruction of life in general and we all must decide when the damage is enough or else it may became too much for any of us to bear. Blaming does nothing to help you and neither to help those around you. Assumptions are something else that are of no use to us and only serve to alleviate the users own guilt.

So, it begs to ask the questions, is this nothing but a waste of my time?

You tell us ... is this nothing but a waste of your time? if so, then one wonders why you are wasting your time (and ours) rather than doing something more beneficial with your time to alleviate the burden you are carrying.

Is there really NO hope for America?

you never want to find yourself being hopeless ... there are plenty out there willing to take the first willing but freely offered hand of help from a brother or a sister, even both. Be their hope ... fulfill yourself by helping another fulfill their own self without putting your expectation on them. We each are at least capable of doing this.

Burn at the stake? Sell your soul?


What makes you think we will LET them do that?

xavi1000
You should travel a little more and you can see that US is in top 20 countries about standard , economy , life longevity, individual freedom etc etc.If you dont like it than leave or replace your citizenship with someone who wants to live in US. 80 % of World population desperately wants your place.It's holidays , be positive at least once in the year.

And just exactly HOW is he supposed to leave? is leaving free now? If he had the money to uproot himself so easily then his view of America would be vastly different as he would be getting his ass kissed in every way imaginable

xavi1000

buster2010


Dissent is allowed in this country. So in your own words if you don't like it here there are many who would be happy to take your place.

Whether you like it or not like it in US , there are MANY, many people who will happy to take your place.

edit on 25-12-2013 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

Because America is far easier to get into than MANY, many other countries that are better.


E.T.A. And you know what countries they are, you've been on this site awhile