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In the bible the words of Jesus should be the main focus, and they have a deeper meaning than most religionists ascribe to them (no offense to religionists). Most other passages in the bible confuse, cover-up, add meaning ........and are generally not important.
Of course Jesus was just a man, but had the same message as other masters, such as the Buddha, from God, or I prefer the term "creator", as we all KNOW God is not a person that looks like Santa Claus sitting in the clouds, the creator is probably in a form not easily understood by us and certainly has no gender, and using the word "God" people will attach incorrect mental labels (and become attached to those labels - which is ego).
When the Creator said we are created in its image, of course again it did not mean our physical body, but our soul that is in its image.
If you study the words/teachings/actions of Jesus it is hard to fail to see his main point was for us to raise our consciousness, which is only done through ego awareness - ego being attachment to beliefs, ideas, things - to create separateness by making others into enemies and the superficial enhancement of one's own identity - which is contrary to the only Truth of the Universe which is Love in which all things have connectedness and are in fact part of the Creator.
Jesus said "Deny thy self" - he did not mean sacrifice, he meant "Deny thy self-image"
Jesus said "When a man steals your coat give your shirt as well" This was not about charity, but about the idea that letting go of attachments to things or ideas is very powerful and liberating.
Jesus said "Love your enemies", again enemies are ego created, he was saying basically to have no enemies and practice forgiveness, easy if you are aware of your ego, almost impossible if you are not.
Jesus said "don't worry about tomorrow as it will take care of itself" or something like that, the ego lives in the past and the future, if you live in the present and have presence you can begin to be free of ego.
So, teachings in the Bible which emphasize consciousness, and the diminishment of suffering by acceptance, and awareness of the Ego are the core truths, the rest don't really matter - unless you are trying to control the masses through fear, guilt, sin etc.
Of course this is just my opinion, but to me it makes sense, if you have raised your consciousness laws and commandments are not necessary, if you are still unconscious and ego dominated rules and laws will not help.
namasteedit on 27-12-2013 by PlanetXisHERE because: epiphany
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
Exactly, my friend.
What you said is how I view it as well and I see you as a major bringer of light! ;-)
Good to see ya in this thread! I haven't seen you in a while.
Do you think god wants everyone to think differently about him?
However, keep in mind that Love = Truth, and everything else is fear.
I personally dont believe in any gods and i see the bible as a collection of ancient novels that were written by primitive people who genuinly believed what they wrote.
Who here thinks that every word in the bible is the divinely inspired words of god? Old and new testament.
Do you think god and jesus are one and the same?
Do you think the hundreds of commandments given to the jewish people in the old testament are still relevant to modern christians?
If you dont believe that every word in the bible is divine revelation, Then how can you tell which words are divine, and which are to be seen as metaphor, or symbolic?
So is every interpretation correct? Most would say no. So then does it come down to individual interpretations? Which means that none of it can be trusted because everyone interprets these words differently. So you have to look at it skeptically. Thats when you notice things like donkeys talking, and thousands of dead rising from their graves, people walking on water, changing one substance into another, so on and so on, until you realise that none of it is based in reality and people were just writing down what they thought was the truth.
How do you rationalise all the inconsistancies?
The OP's title question will only depend on an individual's opinion and no side will convince the other that they are right or wrong.
So this thread is an exercise in futility.
is there ANY scholarly research or historian's studies that you take seriously?
By "scholarly research" if you mean an opposing view, I've come across plenty of it.
It remains just that, an opposing view. But I know enough of this subject to make my case.
Is it that you want others to wind up there? That you'll be sorely disappointed if they don't? That's just sadistic.
And it is the ONLY reason I can imagine for it aside from deeply-entrenched, erroneous, traumatic childhood indoctrination and overwhelming FEAR (which is what it was meant to do to begin with).
Well, you have not "made your case",
I have presented my case in the light of scripture. Refute me with scripture.
Merely copy pasting material from other websites and saying "scholarship" doesn't cut it.
reply to post by Woodcarver
Text If jesus and god are the same entity then it would make sense that you could attribute the old testament to jesus.