Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

There's a feature about it in this online magazine...

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Good to see Sport Direct & Newcastle United Chairman Mike Ashley and Dame Judi Dench are supporting the cause.

a reply to: AdamE

Do we dare consider the null hypothesis?

John was not injured at all in Rendlesham Forest and the real reasons for his injuries were Special Access Projects...OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham.

Also I can't find anything on Burroughs having a sore throat on the nights he was out there but it could be important..

The lack of consistency of the injuries to the men suggest to me we might be looking in the wrong place.

originally posted by: mirageman


Also I can't find anything on Burroughs having a sore throat on the nights he was out there but it could be important..

The lack of consistency of the injuries to the men suggest to me we might be looking in the wrong place.

Hi it's me Anaana...remember me?

originally posted by: Anaana
mirageman, apologies, I had intended to be back here sooner, but I am swamped and what spare online time that I have I have been spending immersed in Rendlesham.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Anaana

Listening partially to the Paracast interview today it seems that there are a few points to be gleaned from it.

1) John Burroughs was given a completely clean bill of health on joining the Air Force in 1979. He fell ill immediately after the Rendlesham incident and was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Something that would have stopped his admittance to the air force.

There are four possible causes for the development of a heart murmur in adults; valve calcification, mitral valve prolapse, Endocarditis or Rheumatic Fever. The last two appear to be the most probable and it could possibly be a combination of the two. Either way I would lay money on it that sometime in the week proceeding the events Burroughs was infected with Streptococcus pyogenes and that on the nights in question he was suffering from a sore throat. There are approximately 700 million cases of Steptococcus throat infections world wide every year, most of these are straightforward and respond to anti-biotics. In about 0.1% of infection though, a little over 650,000, the infection is more severe and becomes invasive. Around a quarter of all those cases end in death, usually as a result of Toxicshock-Like Streptococcus Syndrome (TLSS). In a normal otherwise fit and healthy young man like Burroughs, there may have been very few symptoms, other than a sore throat, that he was infected, and had he not spent two cold wet nights wandering through the woods under what seems to be an emotionally charged state, accompanied by similarly agitated, over excited companions, it is likely that such an infection may not have been able to take hold. If the infection passed into his blood stream, it could have released the bacterial toxins that had made his throat sore and they could have found their way to his heart. Either rheumatic fever or endocarditis would explain the heart murmur, and the culpability of the US Army in failure to provide prompt medical treatment. It doesn't require any otherwordly explanation than that.

ETA forget link to thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Kahuna anaana definition is - sorcerer; especially : one who prays his victims to death.

a reply to: mirageman

Also I can't find anything on Burroughs having a sore throat on the nights he was out there but it could be important..

To confirm, John Burroughs did not have a sore throat prior, during the events.

To confirm, John Burroughs had eye and throat issues after the events which also included his gums turning white and bleeding.

Also to note, it was an eye specialist that that John visited who in turn, asked if John had been exposed to radiation. John has a milky substance in his left eye that specialists examine everytime John goes for an eye examination.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Baablacksheep


Good to see Sport Direct & Newcastle United Chairman Mike Ashley and Dame Judi Dench are supporting the cause.

What's with the 'Tough' image that cover is straining to project? Are they all wielding knuckledusters? UFO researchers trying to look Hard is the equivalent of Dad-dancing.

I don't like the look in Halt's eyes - would you buy a used car from this bloke?

Besides, I thought Chuck had washed his hands of the whole affair after 2010 and 2015, so why's he waddling towards a podium again?

Is the 'New Witness' a squirrel? How long do squirrels live?

So many questions.

originally posted by: AdamE
a reply to: mirageman

To confirm, John Burroughs had eye and throat issues after the events which also included his gums turning white and bleeding.

Also to note, it was an eye specialist that that JB visited who in turn, asked if John had been exposed to radiation. John has a milky substance in his left eye that specialists examine everytime John goes for an eye examination.

To clarify, Adam, do you think the THIRD night is the main cause of John's health problems, rather than when he hit the deck on the first night behind Penniston?

I wonder if it's possible the MOD has actual documentation (including statements from Halt & Co) about off-duty John being bathed in a blue light - arguably, on the sheer face of it, the most important event of the entire RSI if we discount Penniston's time travelers from the year 50000 (my fingers itch whenever I type "Penniston").

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Lol. When I saw Miragemans post earlier with the conference poster I nearly ran for the hills!!

On a serious note I am reminded of these words however.


If the full truth were to come out, "it would completely change the way people look at reality. Col Charles Halt

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ConfusedBrit


On a serious note I am reminded of these words however.


If the full truth were to come out, "it would completely change the way people look at reality." Col Charles Halt

You know, Baa, I couldn't recall Halt saying this... until I dug around and realised it wasn't on the record, rather confided to radio jock Lee Speigel, ie how the public are not ready to hear all the facts about the case, that it was so extraordinary it could "completely change the way people look at reality and the nature of the universe".

I have no reason to doubt Speigel, and 'ole Chuck himself has confirmed publicly he believes the RSI is alien-related, even if he's the ONLY non-LEAG witness to explicitly push that angle. However, you're right, Baa - it IS quite a statement to make, and a good deal more informative and useful than most stuff Chuck has chucked our way.

Has Halt ever expressed this quantum-tinged opinion in public rather than in confidence?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

...do you think the THIRD night is the main cause of John's health problems, rather than when he hit the deck on the first night behind Penniston?

That would seem more likely but we still have a problem.

1) When did he suffer the first signs of heart trouble? It would seem that his attorney rounds that down to a period between the 26th Dec 1980 and the summer of 1981.

In 1979, Burroughs passed the USAF entrance physical and was assigned to RAF Woodbridge, where, in December, 1980 he was exposed to the effects of an anomalous vehicle[?]. From the moment of the event, Burroughs suffered from a variety of symptoms, including those of eye, throat, and gum disease. In the summer of 1981, Burroughs made a visit to a civilian emergency room and was found to have an unusual heart condition. Despite this, he was allowed to stay in the military and remain on active duty.

Sources : CLASSIFIED' VA DATA POTENTIALLY DENYING VETERANS DISABILITY

2) Where did the injury occur? Was it really in the forest? I think this an important question to ask. Because no one else suffered similar symptoms. If Penniston really touched anything then why is he still alive?

We shouldn't rule it out of course and Halt has not revealed what he saw when Burroughs and Bustinza went ahead of his group. But has anyone ever asked Ball, Nevels or Englund (who were also there with Halt) what they saw?

3) Why are John Burroughs medical records so highly classifed?

...about a thousand pages, and to this day, still many hundreds, were in fact legally classified. In my 46 year career as a Medical Officer and physician with CIA [including as Staff Officer, Chief of Medical Intelligence/ Life Sciences Division, and Assistant National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology]...I had, until a year of so ago...only seen a handful of truly 'classified' medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy's Autopsy, and recently...John Burroughs.

Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Does anyone know of a similar military case where records like this were so secret? This is highly unusual.

I wonder if it's possible the MOD has actual documentation (including statements from Halt & Co) about off-duty John being bathed in a blue light - arguably, on the sheer face of it, the most important event of the entire RSI if we discount Penniston's time travellers from the year 50000 (my fingers itch whenever I type "Penniston").

What is RSI? I thought this was a typo first but you've used it on multiple occasions.

Anyway. Halt came under the command of USAFE not the UK MoD so I tend to believe that his infamous Halt memo is the only record the UK MoD hold from any of the first hand witnesses.

a reply to: mirageman

I'd file "RSI" under the the same stupid typo error as "MIRRORman" - It's an acronym I used at work (too dull to explain) and clearly hard to shake off, lol, but thanks for reminding me, mate. Two weeks into ATS I should have these quirks ironed out.

Mind you, I really like "Mirrorman" - missed a trick there when I chose the far duller "ConfusedBrit".


Back to business, the secrecy aspect is indeed curious in the context of other events such as JFK's autopsy etc - an anecdote I have heard a few times. Hmmm, do I sense your antennae twitching with renewed vigour and suspicion, MM?

Good point about asking Ball and Co about that damned JB/Bustinza incident, but if they've kept schtum for 38 years beyond their standard statements, I doubt they'll sing, if indeed there was anything to add. Shifty Chuck likes to give the impression he knows far more than what he's officially stated - an accusation also made by Burroughs - which just serves to wind everyone up.

If anyone knows more about the 'going forward' moment, I'd nominate Bobby Ball (sans braces and a straight man - a quip for UK posters) - a further cast member of Warren's extravagant story albeit not as much as Bustinza. LW's story may be premium bull#, but I always suspected it was a ridiculous bastardisation of a less spectacular but potentially very interesting addendum to the third night that Warren witnessed from afar.

I'm sure JB would readily agree, especially considering his and AB's memory loss - an aspect LW always likes to repeat about himself - ie, "Hey guys, ain't it frickin' sssstrange that we can't remember a damn THING about returning from the field?" etc.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Kahuna anaana definition is - sorcerer; especially : one who prays his victims to death.

Perhaps it and he does, but also, and being of the feminine persuasion...

Greenlandic

Noun

anaana (plural anaanat)

1. mother

Inuktitut
Noun

anaana

Latin spelling of ᐊᓈᓇ (anaana)

en.wiktionary.org...

I had a green-theme going there for a while, I was Biliverdin before that, but Greenland also has some terribly interesting meteorites which I was reading about when I chose the name.

I can be inclined towards saucery from time to time though.

originally posted by: AdamE
To confirm, John Burroughs did not have a sore throat prior, during the events.

To confirm, John Burroughs had eye and throat issues after the events which also included his gums turning white and bleeding.

Also to note, it was an eye specialist that that John visited who in turn, asked if John had been exposed to radiation. John has a milky substance in his left eye that specialists examine everytime John goes for an eye examination.

This is useful clarification Adam, thank you. Do you know if he had any cuts or any type of skin abrasions around that time, doesn't have to have been much...getting caught on a bramble, scratched by a cat...even a carpet burn...anything like that? White gums? Like the gums were drained of colour, or covered in something that made them white? I am presuming the former??

Also, Mr Burroughs if you're out there looking in, the "comet-like" atmosphere, I'd still be incredibly interested in if that is something that you said or not, as well as the returning to the base because you felt something was impending...or something along those lines, did you?

originally posted by: mirageman

Does anyone know of a similar military case where records like this were so secret? This is highly unusual.

I suspect that what is highly unusual about this case is that Burroughs had the capacity to take the matter further, he had a lawyer who was willing to be David to Goliath...perhaps.

The strep throat theory works as an "and" not as an "or" because it can only be applied to Burroughs, and it is clear that whatever happened did not just happen to Burroughs but instead Burroughs suffered a chronic reaction, while others experienced a spectrum of shorter-term reactions ranging from asymptomatic to full-blown hallucinations.

Am not really sure what to say. Perhaps it is best to say nothing at all 😐.

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a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I suspect that what is highly unusual about this case is that Burroughs had the capacity to take the matter further, he had a lawyer who was willing to be David to Goliath...perhaps.

He also had the support of a US Senator. A quick search reveals that there are a lot of problems with the US military's handling of various matters related to military medical records. Something that has been ongoing for years.

Missing records

Falsifying records from the Atomic Age (1982)

Lost/Missing Records in the Modern Era

Still, that doesn't really explain why Burroughs medical records were classified on par with JFK and Hitler (in Dr. Green's words).

...others experienced a spectrum of shorter-term reactions ranging from asymptomatic to full-blown hallucinations.

Who suffered hallucinations during the incident?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I suspect that what is highly unusual about this case is that Burroughs had the capacity to take the matter further, he had a lawyer who was willing to be David to Goliath...perhaps.

He also had the support of a US Senator. A quick search reveals that there are a lot of problems with the US military's handling of various matters related to military medical records. Something that has been ongoing for years.

Missing records

Falsifying records from the Atomic Age (1982)

Lost/Missing Records in the Modern Era

So, under certain circumstances it is not "highly unusual", but it is perhaps somewhat unusual for an individual serviceman to have someone with sufficient welly, senator or lawyer, to champion their cause?

originally posted by: mirageman
Still, that doesn't really explain why Burroughs medical records were classified on par with JFK and Hitler (in Dr. Green's words).

No it doesn't, and it also relies upon us having to trust Dr Green's word on that matter.

originally posted by: mirageman

Who suffered hallucinations during the incident?

I don't know that any one did. I also don't know that any one is telling the truth. I can, epistemologically, presume that everyone is telling the truth though, in which case, hallucinations might not be the best term, the obvious solution is that some suffered from a spectrum psychosis-like perceptual distortions. Of course that solution is not an overall solution, and merely a suggested one.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
Am not really sure what to say. Perhaps it is best to say nothing at all 😐.

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The network had to "abort" that evidently...I can't say I was sorry, the beauty of the pipes is hard to enjoy without the fresh air blowing some of it's harsher tones away.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: AdamE

I am intrigued by "forbidden reflections". I must try understanding crystallography.

Abstract Reflections forbidden under the single scattering approximation are not expected to remain extinct for crystal thicknesses for which multiple scattering becomes important, except for reflections of the Gjo¨nnes–Moodie type. However, it has been observed that in many crystals with the incident beam along a zone axis, such as diamond-like crystals along the [110] zone, reflections forbidden under the single scattering approximation remain very weak up to large thicknesses. This is hard to explain in terms of many-beam dynamical scattering in Fourier space. The picture becomes clear if one describes the scattering in real space in terms of the channelling of the electrons along the atom columns parallel to the zone axis. In that case the exit wave of each atom column can be described by the S-state model, which is radially symmetric around the centre of the atom column. As a consequence the exit wave shows the same symmetry as the projected potential, so that the reflections forbidden under the single scattering approximation remain extinct. This condition only breaks down when the crystal thickness becomes so large that the S-state model becomes invalid, which is a function of the distance between neighbouring atom columns and/or the tilt from the exact zone axis. The sensitivity for small tilts is also in agreement with very old observations that have not been explained thus far. q 2003 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.

ematweb.cmi.ua.ac.be...

The next link gives some information on Quartz...

Industrial Quartz Quartz is used in many industries. It has special properties that give it particular value. For example, quartz is a very hard substance—harder than a steel file. Most forms of quartz do not split easily. Also, quartz can transmit rays of ultraviolet light, something glass cannot do. Still another property of quartz is its ability to generate a small electric charge when put under pressure. Because pure quartz transmits the short waves of ultraviolet light better than glass does, clear quartz crystals are melted to make special lenses and prisms and quartz-glass tubes for sunlamps. Less clear quartz crystals are used to make laboratory tubes and crucibles. The quartz crystals may be melted and then fused together to form a glass that is useful for making precise laboratory experiments. Since this glass has a high chemical resistance, it does not affect the chemicals used in experiments. It expands very little when it is hot, and it can be taken from a flame and cooled immediately without shattering. Sand that is rich in quartz is used for making ordinary types of glass. Quartz sand has many other uses. Because crystals of quartz sand are very strong, large quantities of the sand are used in construction work and foundry molds and as a filter for some liquids. Broken grains of quartz crystals are very hard and sharp. They are used in sandpapers, whetstones, and scouring powders and in sandblasting. When very clear quartz crystals are cut at a certain angle and placed under pressure, they generate electricity. This characteristic, called piezoelectricity, makes quartz useful in radio, television, and radar. Electrical parts using piezoelectric quartz crystals are able to turn vibrations into electrical signals or to do the opposite—turn electrical signals into vibrations. The crystals can be cut so that they vibrate at only one frequency. Thus they can control radio wavelengths. Because only a limited amount of quartz is suitable for this use, scientists have developed ways of growing pure quartz crystals in the laboratory. One of the chief uses of laboratory, or artificial, quartz is in quartz and digital watches. The key part in these watches is a tuning fork, which is made of artificial quartz. Two building stones are made up almost entirely of quartz. Sandstone is a rock made up of quartz sand held together by a natural cement. Quartzite is a harder rock than sandstone. It is made up of quartz sand held together by a cement as strong as the quartz itself. Granite, the most important building stone, is about 30 percent quartz. Flint, a very hard variety of quartz, was one of the materials used for prehistoric cutting tools. Flint chips easily, forming sharp cutting edges. American Indians made arrowheads of flint. When a piece of flint is struck against steel, sparks are given off. Flint was used with steel to produce sparks in flintlock guns, which were used in the 1600's and 1700's.

www.factsfornow.scholastic.com...=nbk&type=0ta&uid=10676772&id=a2024470-h

DIFFRACTION OF NEUTRONS AND X RAYS BY A VIBRATING QUARTZ CRYSTAL (already posted but relevant to this post too)

ABSTRACT Experiments on the diffraction of neutrons and x rays by a piezoelectrically vibrating quartz crystal have shown the following phenomena: large increases of the diffracted intensity relative to the nonvibrating crystal, modulation of the diffracted beam and the appearance of forbidden reflections. Preliminary measurements and a qualitative explanation are reported.

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Correlation energies of simple bounded Coulomb lattices

ABSTRACT The lattice structure of bounded Coulomb systems is explored using a simple zero-temperature slab model. For slabs above a certain size infinite-volume behavior (i.e., a bcc lattice) occurs. Below this size surface effects dominate and the lattice type depends on the size, usually taking on an fcc-like symmetry. This state is similar to the lattice observed in recent computer simulations. These results have implications for experiments now underway. Received 15 September 1988

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Body Centered Cubic (bcc)
www.physics-in-a-nutshell.com... (A visual examople of a centre being outside of the box or container)
To try an correlate the above in a poor mans Physics lesson. I am trying to explain what my theory, combined with the resent Gamma/X-Ray research (along with some advice from another researcher) as to what happened to John, in the only real description offered by Adrian and John, after Adrian went to the floor then witnessed what happened to John.

My theory goes back to the 'electric self' being extracted from the 'physical self.' which concludes with (A visual example of a centre being outside of the box or container) Like part of the self being outside the body, but still connected.
The above references will need to be studied somewhat, as others may find a different conclusion, though I would just like to add, the reference to 'Some information on Quartz, is also in my mind, another confirmation of the reasons for the Pyramids to made to direct electromagnetic frequencies, which in turn goes back to the antiquity references.

Killgore

On the side of apparent experiments involving underground tunnels, the experiment may have been separate. I am thinking if this was being used as means to study plasma phenomena in the area by means of interacting with the above quartz/flint using high electric fields, these things combined with other applications may have led to some interesting phenomena, imo.

For John, on night 3, was it a case of wrong place wrong time, or right place right time?

I also would like to see if any of the return energy, if the beam came from a platform above, would be enough to knock it out of the sky, like a return beam ?