Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

MODS - everything here is from public websites:

EarthTech.org
Robert Collins blog (and his case history written up by Kit Green)
Commentary on KGRA by John Burroughs
Phenomenon by Annie Jacobs
ATS posts by Dr Christopher Green


As such, I think it's all fair use and in the public domain, but if anything needs removing, feel free to edit.


I've held back on some of this for a few months, partly because I briefly mentioned it and it didn't seem of interest to anyone. We've already been told a few times that within the 'Experiencer' group, which both Jim and John were invited to, that there is a high mortality rate for people with UAP exposure.

Put simply, the closer you get to one of these 'whatever' they are type things, you get a massive dose of not just terahertz radiation but also gamma radiation.

According to Hal Puthoff, one of the scientists behind the group mentioned by Dr Green in Annie Jacobsen's Phenomenon book this is to do with 'blue shifting' of radiation due to the 'warp bubble' (my phrasing).

Yet - anyone can go check out the website for Earth Tech in Austin. Go to the life sciences page and you will get the following case study and MRI scan.



This is the MRI of an experiencer who came with 500 Metres of a UAP. He died two weeks later.

UBOs

Unexplained Bright Objects are white masses that appear on MRI scans. They tend to increase with age, and related brain illnesses. Reading what Green tells us in Phenomenon, what Green told Ryan Dube back in 2006 ('brain disease'), what is written about another experiencer Robert Collins ('UFO Coverup Live) from Green's MRI of him we can say that all experiencers have high amounts of UBOs on their brain scans.

We also know from Jacobsen's book, that there apparently is repeating pattern within MRI's of the experiencer group (70-100 people) of a part of the brain that shows up on MRI's as changed. It's called the antenna and within the Intuitive's sub group it shows greater activation during remote viewing or paranormal events, apparently.

The Antenna

I think that it is safe to guess that 'antenna' is a collection of UBOs in a specific place, likely the right occipital lobe. The place where activity peaks in Remote Viewing according to tests done by numerous scientists, including Persinger.

Puzzle Pieces

Look at the publicly available work of Persinger. Why is his God Helmet experiment lacking significant peer review and replication when it has been taken onboard so wholesale by both mainstream science and our Aviary group? Let's assume it is correct - then Persinger believes that the Antenna works through the earth's magnetic field - forming a network of every 'mind' that has existed on planet earth.

Regardless of that, he's seen the proposed antenna area in the brain take up FAR more blood / energy than the rest of the brain during experiments of a psychic nature.

What REALLY Is Condign Type UAP Radiation?

We've been told on ATS by Dr Green that Burroughs was affected by UAP radiation, a broadband emission of radiation in a specific set of frequencies. Many people have taken issue with the terminology used. How can it be broadband but specific.

Look again at what Dr Puthoff says in the Life Sciences section of his Earth Tech website. The experiencer above was exposed to a combination of terahertz, millimetre wave and gamma radiation.

Put the two together and you have a broad band of radiation with some UV from blue shifting, terahertz / millimetre radiation and gamma radiation.

RFI Solving The Ionising / Non Ionising Radiation Problem

Let's assume Drs Green and Puthoff are correct. The injuries we see in John, Jim and others have always been hard to explain as either non ionising or ionising radiation. The proposed merging of the two explanations can answer this. The UAP emits both ionising and non ionising radiation.

But Wait... Why Weren't They Totally Irradiated?

How can there be an antenna pattern of a specific area in the brain that is repeatable if the radiation is a field? The entire brain would be bathed in it?

The answer may well be found in Dr Puthoff's Life Sciences page. The terahertz / gamma ray combo is not a general emission. It is, according to him, a beam.

That can take some processing, but what it means is that this radiation isn't just a by product of the engine on these UAPs. They are creating a beam of both ionised and non ionised radiation.

Could it be that the pattern in the brains of experiencers is so similar because the beam is being pointed at the head's of people who come close?

Conclusion

Piece together different public sources, and it becomes clear. UAP radiation might be partly due to the propulsion system, but the antenna is a result of a combination of both ionising and non ionising radiation being used as a directed emission.

The combination of these two sources helps to solve why terahertz alone isn't capable of the type of damage the airmen in Rendlesham suffered.

It also makes me think that Dire Wolves crawling through portals in the desert are unlikely to be carrying around a device to be doing this.

Please remember, this is my own conjecture based on public statements by the involved parties. I struggle to see this type of radiation as anything but UAPS attempting to hurt people.

a reply to: ctj83

Very good post CTJ!

I can remember sometime ago an illustration of a blue beam being emanating from the UAP that some of the witnesses described, its annoying, why is it you can never find somethign when you want it but see it all the time when you dont!

You state that its like its designed to purposely hurt people, well could just be its propulsion systems effects when in close proximity. An F35s afterburners aren't designed to hurt people, but it would melt your skin off if you stood behind it at full burn and Burroughs and the guys were right next to this UAP.

Again, I have said this before, but Burroughs has mentioned that he has heard through certain channels that what it was they have encountered HAS been weaponized since, but he has only mentioned this on 2 occasions that I know of and LMH started banging on about cows arse's soon after, that shut down that line of inquiry! She does make me wonder if she has trigger words sometimes, the second that anything on Phenomenon radio really starts getting anywhere she goes off on the strangest of tangents... anyhoo that.s a different subject entirely.

As with the God helmet, with the increase in EMF to the participants, they started hearing words that were not said or spoken but the brain interpreted them as words, it cant be too much of a stretch to think that with a little more experimentation they could do that with images too, that could be why an F35 helmet costs $400,000 but I am cross pollinating the aircraft forum into this and that's a different subject, uses Thz band EMF though, just saying

In regards to the antennae, well, is that something that is caused by experiencing the UAP or is it something that heightens their experience of the UAP encounters by having that condition in the first instance? Also, if what they say about the radiation causing the white blobs on MRIs, could you technically, artificially create experiencers???

Imagine the military applications on the battlefield if you could have soldiers / specialists that could summon UAP in an enemy engagement? Now that would be interesting wouldn't it? I wonder if thats why they are more interested in the experiencers than the actual phenomenon its self?

Maybe the odd ionizing and non-ionizing radiation is an effect of them appearing from wherever it is they come from, much like a train coming out of a tunnel and the vacuum of air in front of it as a result before it emerges?

a reply to: pigsy2400

For it not to hurt people intentionally , the laser like beam must either swing round randomly or they have no idea of the propulsion.

Of course, you'd have to ask why the UBOs are always in the same place in the brain. Remember this is a beam, like a laser, it must be aimed to have that kind of precision target - intentional or not. It doesn't strike me as propulsion.

Try and find some replications of the God Helmet in a peer reviewed journal. Then ask yourself why the scientific community so embraced those ideas of Persinger, but not his own interpretation of the antenna and the earths magnetic field. You can't have both.

It's unlikely it could have been built on earth and moved through the woods. We'd be talking about a particle accelerator and a huge power source supplying Gv through the forest. For three nights.

The device was either located elsewhere and targeted the woods, then not explaining what the men saw, or it was not any technology we understand.

As for intentionally creating Experiencers, the thought is horrific but you may be right. Go back though to Phenomenon and you will see that there are those who appear to be born with the antenna, and those who become antenna through the experience.

So unless it can be explained as a very odd form of propulsion that targets a small part of the brain (always the same area it seems) - then it seems more like a targeted form of being able to turn someone into a 'self perceived' experiencer.

The portal opening idea you mention is a very very interesting one.

How do we reconcile the fact that this 'exposure' kills around a quarter of people in five years, within two weeks at 500m and severely injures others for decades? That's one variable propulsion system or portal that they really don't care about destroying the environment.

Don't you find is a little strange that the by product of the propulsion device just happens to have such a specific physical and paranormal effect? I'm not ruling it out.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

But Penniston does not support the Condign report in any way .

He can't yet because that would re-align his position and he'd have to agree with Burroughs regarding Condign and the VA settlement. It will take a major game change before that will happen.

Penniston however has confirmed, albeit briefly, that he has had heart trouble too. He made a full recovery so obviously was treated for it. But he was still seemingly pursuing a settlement from the VA with Burroughs until the "Encounter in Rendlesham Forest" book was published. If all these ailments he mentions like vertigo, headaches, unknown infections and PTSD were real then he must have received ongoing treatment for them. So if any deal was cut with the VA he's kept quiet about it. There again he did say he had memory issues. Maybe he kept forgetting to take his medication and that was all it was.

His story, like Halt's coincidentally, is problematic. Especially concerning dates and times. We should consider whether he was somehow manipulated into becoming a manipulator like Linda Molten Cow.

a reply to: mirageman

I’ve had a few people message me about where I found this “information”. It says so in my post - earthtech.org/lifesciences.

Strictly speaking though I found it via twitter in June when reading TTSA agent 001s on 14th June.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I really couldn't possibly say.

originally posted by: ctj83
- That somewhere between 2012 - 2013 Citizens Hearing both John and Jim were offered treatment by Drs Green, Puthoff and (later) Nolan's experiencer group.
- That Jim decided to refuse whatever treatment was offered by the Bigelow funded group
- The John decided to accept which presumably is why Jim refers to him as "bought off"

So they weren’t simply offered treatment, they were offered treatment in exchange for something? If they weren’t willing to give that something, then no treatment?

originally posted by: ctj83
What is also interesting, according to John on KGRA,
- Frascoigna and Burroughs decided not to make Pope and Jim aware of their legal battle / strategy

Did Pope and Penniston do the same? Or was there full disclosure and co-operation on their part?

originally posted by: ctj83
Despite their differences, and numerous witnesses who have either intentionally or intentionally distorted facts, I think the group would benefit from talking honestly.

Wouldn’t they just? That may be the understatement of the year. I was reading more from Dr Clarke, specifically his interviews/correspondence with Conrad.
Penniston is far from alone, everyone, in the whole wide world, has memory problems to some degree or another. And with some things, the harder you grasp, the further it squirms away.

originally posted by: ctj83
- John has seen the summary of the report, and it names the OSI agents involved in the debrief and that they used hypnosis on Warren to try and get the truth from him.
- The classified report may be declassified for the Fall hearing.

That directly contradicts Conrad’s account then, he says there were no OSI agents. How convinced is Burroughs that the report is genuine? Are the agents named able/willing to testify?

originally posted by: ctj83
Put simply, the closer you get to one of these 'whatever' they are type things, you get a massive dose of not just terahertz radiation but also gamma radiation.

Where did those deaths occur? And under what circumstances? Which of the "'whatever' they are type things' are you referring too (did I miss that bit)?

Also, I wonder, since I know that he is reading this thread, if John Burroughs would please clarify a couple of things for me? I mentioned earlier that I had read that you had said to one interviewer that there was a comet-like atmosphere (or something like that, I have memory problems too), is that correct, and if so, would you mind expanding upon that? Secondly, I also read (somewhere, who knows where), that you had been off-base that day, and returned early because you had a feeling or sense of something not being quite right...again, is that correct, and if so, are you able to expand upon that?

Many thanks.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: ctj83
- That somewhere between 2012 - 2013 Citizens Hearing both John and Jim were offered treatment by Drs Green, Puthoff and (later) Nolan's experiencer group.
- That Jim decided to refuse whatever treatment was offered by the Bigelow funded group
- The John decided to accept which presumably is why Jim refers to him as "bought off"

So they weren’t simply offered treatment, they were offered treatment in exchange for something? If they weren’t willing to give that something, then no treatment?

originally posted by: ctj83
What is also interesting, according to John on KGRA,
- Frascoigna and Burroughs decided not to make Pope and Jim aware of their legal battle / strategy

Did Pope and Penniston do the same? Or was there full disclosure and co-operation on their part?

I've no idea on that.

originally posted by: ctj83
Despite their differences, and numerous witnesses who have either intentionally or intentionally distorted facts, I think the group would benefit from talking honestly.

Wouldn’t they just? That may be the understatement of the year. I was reading more from Dr Clarke, specifically his interviews/correspondence with Conrad.
Penniston is far from alone, everyone, in the whole wide world, has memory problems to some degree or another. And with some things, the harder you grasp, the further it squirms away.

Maybe.

originally posted by: ctj83
- John has seen the summary of the report, and it names the OSI agents involved in the debrief and that they used hypnosis on Warren to try and get the truth from him.
- The classified report may be declassified for the Fall hearing.

That directly contradicts Conrad’s account then, he says there were no OSI agents. How convinced is Burroughs that the report is genuine? Are the agents named able/willing to testify?

I don't speak for John or have a way to ask him but listen to KGRA all the answers are there. He knows the agents names, there are two of them. He's seen the summary or the report at least. I believe the whole report may be declassified if fall hearings go ahead. I don't think it's going to reveal the cause of the event though, as I don't believe it was known. I think John might have mentioned that the report talks about hypnosis being used on Warren.

originally posted by: ctj83
I don't speak for John or have a way to ask him but listen to KGRA all the answers are there. He knows the agents names, there are two of them. He's seen the summary or the report at least. I believe the whole report may be declassified if fall hearings go ahead. I don't think it's going to reveal the cause of the event though, as I don't believe it was known. I think John might have mentioned that the report talks about hypnosis being used on Warren.

I know that he has enjoyed your last couple of posts, so I know that he is reading and commenting on what you have to say...which is why I popped a couple of direct questions to him, since it was a chance not to be missed...know what I mean? I wasn't implying anything, just pushing my luck is all.

a reply to: ctj83

There really isn't much content on that page at all : earthtech.org...

But what it does say is highly illuminating.

Our Goal: The forensic diagnosis of enigmatic illness, treatment, protection and improved patient well-being using the latest Neuroscience and Genomics

Institute medical scientists have mapped emergent evidence of correlations between energy science and the life sciences in discovery of new injury diagnostics, after patients have been exposed to unusual near-field anomalous effects believed related to advanced or experimental propulsion, or unknown devices under test and evaluation

Current client interests include:

Human Effects from Mixed Beam RF mm-wave, Terahertz, and Gamma radiation;

Interactions of novel energy and propulsion systems causing both Epigenetic injury and Central Nervous System pathology;

Studies of Brain Biomarkers and related heritable DNA related to high performance cognition, learning, and intuition when under stress

Those two highlighted sentences are the crux of it for me. Somebody somewhere is testing experimental propulsion, or unknown devices under evaluation.

I am also suspicious of what this 'antenna' effect is or could be. It sounds like a form of brain damage and mental illness leading to death. But its somehow become dressed up in a language that makes it sound like a superhero power.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I was reading more from Dr Clarke, specifically his interviews/correspondence with Conrad. Penniston is far from alone, everyone, in the whole wide world, has memory problems to some degree or another.

I don't think its fair to correlate Conrad's memories from 2010 (thirty years after events when Clarke questioned him) with Penniston's. Penniston claims he wrote the date of the incident in his notebook as it was taking place (on Boxing Day 1980). But it clearly says 27th Dec 80. Penniston has also seemed to have improved his memory of events as time has gone on. There were no glyphs or notebooks or binary codes at first. Halt's memory was awful when he composed his memo. Just a couple of weeks after he couldn't get dates and times correct.

Anyway I covered that in more detail here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is a problem here and it seems to come from the Deputy Base Commander and the Staff Sergeant. Their stories are widely inconsistent at times with the majority of the other testimony available. Even though Halt says it was ET and Penniston it was time travelling binary coding descendants from the future.

Penniston still has a website making crazy claims about how his witness statement was written up with British English spellings rather than American ones. He even says that metric measurements were not used by the US military s ohe wouldn't have used them. But his 1980 USAF manual clearly uses them!

See : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Going back to Conrad. He also gave an interview to OMNI in 1983 : www.abovetopsecret.com...

This further confuses things. Although back then we didn't know much detail and witnesses were still reluctant to speak up. With the piece claiming "Conrad’s chat with his men was the only official probe ever mounted".

So were the OSI involved? The involvement of OSI and drugging of the witnesses is another issue that Halt has claimed he knew nothing about until years later. Was Halt always this uninformed as a Deputy Base Commander? Did he lie or was there no OSI involvement?

Yet it now seems that there is an OSI report sitting somewhere in the corridors of DC.

The report has not surfaced publicly. Burroughs has said he has a summary of it on his radio show. But the source of that story came from Richard C. Doty. A man with a shady history.

I may be wrong but I think Burroughs harboured suspicions about both Halt and Penniston for a long time and that they were obfuscating the details of the case for purposes unknown. So he didn't fully trust Penniston even during their collaboration on their book. If you go through those links back in the thread then it does back up that view to a large extent.

a reply to: mirageman

Very interesting for certain.

A few days ago Nick Pope was on TV talking about UFOs and how papers are still being released about his old job as Commander of SHADO!



Still bigging himself up and the importance of his old job. Those newly released papers will provide an alternative view of that.

But interestingly even he's decided to drop in a mention of Congressional Hearings into the UFO subject.

It's like someone is conducting the whole orchestra...

a reply to: mirageman

It must have been a few pages back, but there was a FOIA response from the mod about a quote by nick, their response was quite telling I believe.

Something like "his opinions don't reflect that of the mod, and continue to be his opinions"

It had a little more sting in its tail than that, Il dig up the post.

An orchestra where they are all singing off the same hymn sheet. Well, let's see what happens and if anything comes of it, I am cynical about what it will achieve though

originally posted by: mirageman

Those two highlighted sentences are the crux of it for me. Somebody somewhere is testing experimental propulsion, or unknown devices under evaluation.

It fits like nothing else.

I am also suspicious of what this 'antenna' effect is or could be. It sounds like a form of brain damage and mental illness leading to death. But its somehow become dressed up in a language that makes it sound like a superhero power.

Yah...it gets murky there. Surely they don't believe that part? Then again these guys are from the same school that chased all kinds of far-out theories and human-use experimentation projects all through the RV experiments and got pretty freaky at the Monroe Institute with a dash of Persinger thrown in so maybe they do believe certain damage does increase "paranormal" ability? Or is it just to make potential "patients" feel special?

Seems like they remain "test subjects" just different "testers."

a reply to: pigsy2400

Nick Pope's job description at the MoD is a matter of record in MoD File DEFE 24-2000. It was mainly an Executive Officer desk job that involved dealing with queries from the public and media and supported by an administrative officer. Such work on unidentified object was a 'small part of his overall duties'.



There is of course more to come in those new files. But he kicked on from there to become a UFOtainer.

originally posted by: mirageman
Those two highlighted sentences are the crux of it for me. Somebody somewhere is testing experimental propulsion, or unknown devices under evaluation.

Wow, it didn't take much to convince you. I don't see any firm evidence, or case studies...just an shot of an brain scan and the allegation that that person died two weeks after exposure. That is not enough evidence for me to believe that any one is testing anything, or indeed any one is getting exposed to an "experimental propulsion" device.

Earthtech, seems to me, to be little more than a fishing exercise by Puthoff and Sons, and a few ex-Lockheed personnel. I should imagine that given their self-ascribed "maverick" status, they are utilising scare tactics to prevent actual mavericks from such experiments.

Either way, to me, the whole site screams all mouth and no trousers.

originally posted by: mirageman
I may be wrong but I think Burroughs harboured suspicions about both Halt and Penniston for a long time and that they were obfuscating the details of the case for purposes unknown. So he didn't fully trust Penniston even during their collaboration on their book. If you go through those links back in the thread then it does back up that view to a large extent.

This whole thing is all over the place. Someone needs to get all parties in one room together and hammer this out. People's memories of events do not improve over time. Hypnosis, under such circumstances, is much more likely to create false memory syndrome...especially, as in Penniston's case, the subject suffers from very vivid dreams. Boundaries get blurred.

With that in mind, I must have missed this along the way, but on Burroughs' facebook page, he mentions that the NSA visited Rendlesham on the 11th January??? Anyone got anything on that?