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reply to post by mirageman
in your opinion, what do you think was the strangest unexplained thing that occurred?
One week after the incidents he was already feeding the UFO community stories about the base commander helping little aliens repair their spaceship. Maybe this story was not only planted into the UFO community but also spread on the base. Larry could have picked it up and used it.
It’s a perfect way to mess up the real story, whatever it may be.
The American magazine, Frontiers of Science, reports this variation of the third night's incidents: An utterly fantastic UFO case is under intense investigation in England. If true, it could be the breakthrough ufologists have been waiting for.
As reported in the January 1982 issue of Case Histories, published by the Northern UFO Network (c/o Jenny Randles..., England), the story is this: On December 30, 1980, a farmer in the vicinity of Rendlesham forest... called Woodbridge Air Force Base to report a plane crash. The base police investigated and reported the "plane" was a UFO. Someone from the base newspaper went to the scene with both still and
movie cameras and filmed the object on the ground.
The base commander took a high-level security team to view the damaged object. According to a member of the team, three entities (about three feet tall and dressed in silvery suits) were suspended in mid-air beside the craft, repairing the damage. The commander is said to have spoken with the entities while they worked. Four hours later the craft took off at great speed.
The story was finally out of my hands.
Within days, Larry Fawcett and I were invited to tape an interview for the BBC program "Breakfast Time" at their New York studio in Rockefeller Center. I insisted on being shadowed or "blacked out" for the program, to which their interviewer Bob Friend agreed. After discussing some details of what I'd experienced, Friend asked me to comment on some of the wilder rumors surrounding the incident: was
it true we'd given the aliens assistance in repairing their craft? "No!" I said. "Where would we get the parts from, UFO supply?" The reporter laughed. I added that the claim about Gordon Williams shaking hands with the beings was nonsense as well. The program aired in England the next morning, and I hoped it would put an end to all the nonsense once and for all.
So maybe it is best to let it be until we can see what revelations Jim, John and Nick come up with in their book.
reply to post by draknoir2
A bit of a sweeping general answer that may satisfy your own mind. But I still think there are so many loose ends that have never been clarified satisfactorily.
Guest101Steve Roberts (pseudonym, his real identity has never been revealed)
…Suppose that for the last thirty years or so a massive effort has been going on within U.S. government agencies such as the CIA, the NRO,and the Air Force, to study the UFO phenomenon. Not in an attempt to really solve it, since such a solution is still beyond the reach of our science, but in an effort to use it, to manipulate it as a cover for something else.
Perhaps our military scientists have discovered a way to manufacture flying disks as a platform for reconnaissance operations, for intelligence gathering, for counterterrorism. Some of my contacts tell me that these disks do fly and vary in size from two feet for laser-ranging devices and automated flying cameras to thirty or forty feet for the devices used for such physiological effects as putting people to sleep or inducing paralysis or hallucinations in enemy troops. And such devices do exist,either in test sites across the U.S. or on the drawing boards of various Silicon Valley firms andWashington think tanks. These nonlethal weapons have been actually deployed in various counterterrorism operations around the world. It would be important to keep the knowledge of this technology secure, although hundreds of people are clearly in a position to observe it from time to time. Making people believe that they are observing flying saucers might be a clever ploy.
Let us not forget that Bill Moore, the originator of the MJ-12 case, worked for Agent Doty of OSI, and thatAgent Doty, alias Falcon, worked for an Air Force officer named Hennessey, who was head of security for the Stealth project. Perhaps this connection is perfectly innocent or spurious. But why is there no official effort to clarify it once and for all? If the mysterious Falcon is only a helpless turkey, why not expose him before the world?
In the failed Desert One operation of April 1980, organized by the Carter administration to attempt the heroic rescue of the American hostages from Tehran, some witnesses claim to have seen a disk resembling a UFO. It was said to be a platform for nonlethal weapons, intended to paralyze or otherwise disable the Iranian guards. And the code word for that part of the operation, of which Richard Secord and Oliver North had been among the planners, was none other than Snowbird , a name that my reader may recall seeing before. It is the code word that Bill Cooper claims to have seen attached to a secret project to test flying saucers captured from alleged extraterrestrial aliens....Again, we need to ask, which is the cover and which is the genuine project? What better cover is there for such craft, if they are tested at Dreamland, than the UFO phenomenon itself? What better channel for deception is there than the groups of true believers who are already convinced that the extraterrestrials are about to land?...
What if that deception has other goals, even more far-reaching? To the New Age idealists, the announcement that aliens are here would bring the culmination of many decades of dreams. It would validate all their group meditations on mountaintops, the loving hopes, the prayers for peace. It would give all of us something to worship at a time when the leaders of our traditional religions have made fools of themselves, at a time when the younger generation has very few heroes it can look up to. To the hardened ufologist, it would bring respectability at last,vindication after years of dedicated, lonely research, a chance to confront such skeptics as Philip Klass and Carl Sagan (or perhaps, in a more mundane way, a doubting brother-in-law) and to tell them “I told you so!”
The revelations that aliens are here, that flying disks have been captured, are too good to be true.But if these claims have been manufactured to provide a cover for real flying platforms, then these false revelations suddenly make perfect sense. Engineers and military officers telling their children on their deathbeds about the strange technology they have seen over the Nevada desert will be able to come up with nothing more specific than a muddled story of flying saucers and extraterrestrial craft, because the cover sticks closely to the imagery of the ufologists that already exists in the surrounding culture. Thus the secret can always be preserved. And it is possible to focus that imagery, through a few carefully crafted hoaxes, into the expectation of a particular type of entity, a particular kind of craft.
REVELATIONS: Alien Contact and Human Deception (PDF)
reply to post by spacevisitor
Larry Warren was out there in the forest – this has been confirmed by both Battram and Bustinza – but did he partake in the close encounters?
Steve Roberts (pseudonym, his real identity has never been revealed) worked at the base and was a friend of Brenda Butler and Chris Pennington. He told Brenda two stories:
In 1981 (right after the incident): A UFO had landed and the base commander had communicated with aliens.
In 1987: He was ordered to spread this hoax story back in 1980 and Brenda should forget about it.
Bruni tracked him down and found out he was with A Flight (so he could have been with Battram and his team). In an interview with Bruni he was evasive but told he saw the UFO up in the sky, not on the ground. He also told Bruni to pay special attention to Halt’s memo because it was pretty accurate.
What if Steve Roberts is right? What if an exaggerated version of the events was spread deliberately?
What if Bustinza also was ordered to spread this story back in 1980? From Bruni’s interviews with him we know he was put under a lot of pressure.
Larry in LEAG (p 74): “One extremely foggy night [April 1981], I found a note pushed under the door to my room. It was from Bustinza.”
“Adrian said he knew I was getting out sooner than he and wanted me to have some facts before I left. He and others wanted the story out and felt I could get the ball rolling.”
“We shared our thoughts about the underground base, and although I was unsure about what was real and what was imagined, he assured me the place existed and was an alien installation.”
Halt about Bustinza when Halt was interviewed for LEAG (p 331):
“Adrian’s over his head. Adrian doesn’t want to do too much.”
Adrian Bustinza seems to be holding the key, but he doesn’t seem very eager to solve this puzzle.
Another possibility of course is that Steve Roberts’ first story was the truth, and Halt is part of the cover-up.
in 1981: the writer had gotten them from the thief. Peter checks the wire running between the telephone and recorder, pushes "on," and takes a deep breath: he has waited almost five years to make this call. The number is then dialed and a phone rings in the home of Charles Halt:
PR. Mr. Halt?
PR. This Peter Robbins, calling from New York.
CH. Oh, Peter Robbins! How are you? I've looked forward
talking to you...
PR. Same with me... Did I pick a good time to call?
CH. Oh that's fine, I can talk for about ten minutes or so.
PR. ... How long have you been retired, sir?
CH. About a year...
PR. Is it all right with you if I record this?
CH. Go ahead...
PR. I know... that men who were involved... are countering each other's accounts... and you've been very outspoken about what Larry says his participation was in that,
and I just wanted...
CH. His participation wasn't.
PR. Why do you say that?
CH. Because he didn't come on duty until the middle of January, and I can show you documentation to prove that.
PR. Well, obviously I would like to see it, I'm sitting here with some of his service record in front of me...
CH. ... Oh you got his service record, good... Where did you find them? I'm curious.
We’ll probably never find out.
If people can’t get a story straight, or tell something completely inconsistent with the others, this should ring a few alarm bells. Jim Penniston is not the only one; Adrian Bustinza and Larry Warren have also changed essential parts of their story through the years.
Whether these are deliberate disinformation attempts or just hoaxes for their own fun and glory, we’ll probably never know.