Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: wobbs62

there are certainly a number of reasons for the memory confabulations
and irregularities, including perhaps chemical!

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well JP has supposedly been a victim of 'mind control' and the cat may have gotten out of the bag there a while back. There have been some seriously mind bending experiments and studies during the Cold Way years on both sides of the Iron Curtain. Many of them appear to have been successful.

I don't know how much British TV you watch Kev. But it is not long ago that Derren Brown used the dark arts of deception and hypnotism (no high technology was involved) to convince a man to shoot Stephen Fry (a British actor and TV presenter) in a public theatre.

If you have 45 mins to spare it's on Brown's Youtube channel



So perhaps JP fits the same profile and is easily programmed by nefarious forces. Of course that brings up serious questions about why him and what the RFI really was all about?

Other options are that he is participating in a deception willingly without such dark arts being employed and is a fairly bad actor. Or he could simply be trying to swell his wallet?

a reply to: mirageman

We don't watch much TV.. we are so sickened by Trump trying to start the Reichstag fire,
that we keep it turned off entirely. Otherwise, BBC is the only thing I've ever caught,
and that was mostly for *cough* "Merlin", "Doctor Who", "Are you being served?", etc.

I'll try and fit in time for that video..thanks.

originally posted by: wobbs62
a reply to: mirageman

Regarding the witnesses differing accounts and loss of memory it is now believed to be because of chemical hypnosis, some investigators and John burrows believe this theory and would make sense if whatever happened is ATS, something very strange happened that's for sure and I'm not one of Mr ridpaths followers.
The only person I was believing in the beginning was halt but we now know he has told a few untruths and knows far more than he is letting on and I doubt the truth will be known for a very long time, if at all.

Yes - see my post above about the hypnosis. Things get very murky there.

We'll leave Mr. Ridpath alone from now on. I would place Halt's testimony as number 3 on the list after Penniston's for most untrustworthy testimony. Personally I think he knows a lot more than he lets on about.

If you haven't read the whole thread then a good place to catch up is the summary linked here.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

"Are You Being Served". Do they still show that in America? Jeez. It finished when I was still in school! ."Dr. Who" has great production values but it hasn't been quite the same since Tennant moved on....Anyway I digress

If you want to see what happens there is a shorter video.

a reply to: mirageman

When I was 13 I hypnotized my best friend at the time.. and to prove
that he was "under" we agreed (sort of.. it was a joke... only I took
it seriously) that I would impale this thumb with a sewing needle;
which I did (13 year-olds are quite obnoxious and uncivilized little
beasts).

I told him that it wouldn't hurt.. and it didn't. He never flinched and
didn't eve know it had happened until he woke up.

That is my one and only experiment with hypnosis.

I know basically nothing about it.

but I think there is something "there". But that perhaps the experts
in it, aren't talking.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It seems to only work on people with specific traits. You can see how (if you watch the show linked earlier) how it all works. This is the wrong thread but perhaps this is similar to the people being studied by the UAP Experiencer Group?

a reply to: mirageman

I'm sure there is something of a correlation.

The personality has to be "swept" aside.. for that deep level
of compliant concentration.. any of the following could
make a person suitable:

1) Pure Genetics.
2) Childhood abuse.
3) Asperger's Syndrome and ohter "syndromes".
4) Yoga practice
5) Getting shot in the head with Thz radiation (apparently)

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

From what I understand around 10-11% of a given sample. I’m surprised that John Burroughs has never questioned why he is joined by Chris Bledsoe in the treatment group supposedly for ‘true experiencers’. Somewhere between these statements may be the real nature of the group.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

From what I understand around 10-11% of a given sample.

Reference?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman



One can really run with the concept.. if
it's indeed technologically possible in the
1980 timeframe.



Kev

Hi KellyPrettyBear. You raise some interesting ideas that I have tried to consider in the past on this thread, but got carried away with other things.

I would say that the best place to start would be MASER's that preclude LASERS (Optical MASER's)

Experiments in Travelling Wave MASER'S and MASER's in general were being carried out during the 50's and earlier.
www.cia.gov...

By September and October 1980, the modern versions were introduced into the Deep Space Network.
tmo.jpl.nasa.gov...

By 2015, DIRECTED ENERGY FOR RELATIVISTIC PROPULSION AND INTERSTELLAR COMMUNICATIONS was on the horizon.
www.deepspace.ucsb.edu...

I also find the pictures of Phased Laser Array similar to the types of phased array technology being introduced as ground based radar during the 70's and early 80's.
www.ll.mit.edu...

Was any of this technology located in the area at the time?

Considering it's strategic importance, and due to the history of Cobra Mist, imo, I would say most probable.

a reply to: AdamE

I would highly value if you ran with this idea and pursued it further.

I'm a humble country (failed) shaman and ex nuclear engineer.
Heavy on the Ex.

I'm not nearly as intelligent as I once was.. and in particular my
math has dive bombed, as I go severely senile.

Yes.. Maser is a good thought. Now.. if we (you) could pin down
the most optimal wavelengths for penetrating the atmosphere
at various elevations, up to LEO.. and the amount of power
it might take to transfer significant amounts to a small/light
drone after attenuation..

we might find a breadcrumb trail.

The way that I came across this theory can be described
by two letters of the alphabet in close proximity.. and
i'd much rather that someone who lives on the planet
earth followed up on this.. and didn't use "my methods".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There was a recent paper on MRI scans that demonstrated temporary neurological impairment suppression (dyslexia, dyspraxia) from hypnosis that showed a general trend of highest success around those percentages.

However, the specific papers was published by Stanford University in 2000 which puts the highly hypnotisable group at 10-11%. I forget the name though, it’s been too long.

Interestly the “corpus callosum was 32 percent larger for highly hypnotizable subjects“


I’m not sure it adds much to the thread though other than drift so if I find it I’ll PM you it

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There was a recent paper on MRI scans that demonstrated temporary neurological impairment suppression (dyslexia, dyspraxia) from hypnosis that showed a general trend of highest success around those percentages.

However, the specific papers was published by Stanford University in 2000 which puts the highly hypnotisable group at 10-11%. I forget the name though, it’s been too long.

Interestly the “corpus callosum was 32 percent larger for highly hypnotizable subjects“


I’m not sure it adds much to the thread though other than drift so if I find it I’ll PM you it

No, that's great.

Really I hate this crap about "thread drift".

If a topic is highly interesting and instructive.. and remotely related.. then
I want it included!

I raise you Einstein's Brain!

Einstein's Brain

Oa reply to: KellyPrettyBear

“A 2004 study conducted by researchers at the University of Virginia revealed that subjects prone to be hypnotized actually had structural differences within their brains. In the study, highly hypnotizable subjects, on average, sported a 31.8% larger rostrum, a part of the brain involved in the allocation of attention and transfer of information between prefrontal cortices”

Well then, would you happen to know which practises, conditions or habits might increase the size of the rostrum or Corpus Callosum?

originally posted by: ctj83
Oa reply to: KellyPrettyBear

“A 2004 study conducted by researchers at the University of Virginia revealed that subjects prone to be hypnotized actually had structural differences within their brains. In the study, highly hypnotizable subjects, on average, sported a 31.8% larger rostrum, a part of the brain involved in the allocation of attention and transfer of information between prefrontal cortices”

Well then, would you happen to know which practises, conditions or habits might increase the size of the rostrum or Corpus Callosum?

I suspect.. but don't know.

I imagine that our TTSA friends know.

I don't have access to a fMRI, etc.

Very interesting..

en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:Gray720.png

I have something new to research now.

I'm curious about the connectivity between the Rostrum and several other
brain structures that are associated with "Kundalini".

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

None of them can remember how they got back from forest, third night.
The CIA Darren brown man must have had a chat with them..😁

originally posted by: wobbs62
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

None of them can remember how they got back from forest, third night.
The CIA Darren brown man must have had a chat with them..😁

Who knows?

It's a shame that one of the most interesting cases is such a train wreck.
I couldn't prove a ham sandwich with the RFI case.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The 1954 memo might be a prediction?
Something Jim Oberg mentioned about a composer not playing with a full deck.
People seem to consider exposing stuff encrypted with the Da Vinci code as murder.

a reply to: mirageman

I'm only at about 18% on Andrew Pike's book.

I'ts both amazing and frustrating.

For one of the first times in my life, I'm feeling Deja Vu,
that i'd already read the book.. but that's impossible..
it was out of print until recently.

I highly recommend the book SO FAR. I'd definiltey
recommend that every interested party get it,
before it goes away again.

He's even waving around the "beam-powered drone"
thing apparently.. It's like i've been RV;ing that man's
brain all along.

Not much gets my goat these days.. but this is
disconcerting.

Kev