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You didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway. If we take Kit Green's comments at face value then John Burroughs was exposed to radiation at some point in his career, but I see no link to Rendlesham Forest and the questions Ian asked about why nobody else with John Burroughs in Rendlesham Forest experienced the same symptoms suggests he's thinking along the same lines as me that no link to Rendlesham forest has been established for the source of his injuries.
originally posted by: ctj83
If you don't mind, which are you stating?
A) Are you saying you don't believe the statements of Springer, Kit Green, John Burroughs, Frascogna & Frascongna that that Kit advised Burrough's surgeons (funded by the VA's admission of disability based on the RFI incident) after seeing John's classified medical records and his medical bills were accepted by the VA? Meaning they have lied?
B Are you saying that you accept that the Springer, Kit et all have honestly reported that the VA has accepted the claim, that Dr Green saw the classified records and that they indicated the frequency range of the non ionising radiation causing the injuries? You, however, discount anything beyond that?
“The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods. There may be other cases which remain unreported. It is clear that the recipients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified” (Volume 2, Working Paper 1, Annex F, page F-4, para 13).
# 2 ... What caused his injuries (What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR? ) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR?
Q # 2 Broad-band Non Ionizing Electromagnetic Radiation caused the injuries. The RF is identified in a dozen classified and a half-dozen unclassified studies on cardiological and neurological injuries ... not thousands of reports. Very, very few physicians even care about this arcane area of research.
No, he doesn't. Read your own citation, he is asking speculative questions which is completely different than making statements. While they are valid questions, they are questions, and not statements. Green seems to be operating under the assumption of an "odd air form" which is a presumption of facts not in evidence as far as my reading of the witness statements and events go. When Burroughs says he followed the lights and ended up looking at the lighthouse but he didn't think the lighthouse was making the lights he was following I don't really understand his logic at all.
originally posted by: ctj83
Dr Kit Green on ATS
"# 2 ... What caused his injuries (What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR? )
- Dr Green, on ATS, in his wording of 'Question 1' states that John and others were injured by non-ionising radiation from the 'encounter' in Rendlesham.
Within a month after the incident I started to develop inner ear problems, that was unexplainable to the people at the base.
So I went in for treatment. They said, "You know for some reason you developed in a period of about 3 weeks Ménière's disease."
I said, "You're kidding?" They said no. So there's a terrible balance issue because of that.
I was concerned whether or not I would be able to stay as a security policeman at that time, but they were doing treatments at the time.
... I'm currently receiving disability for the hearing loss and the Ménière's.
... There are other people out there who were also out on the 2nd night [3rd?] that I've also discussed this with that have serious medical problems too. ... Nick (Pope) floored me in Washington DC working for the National Press Club in 2007 when he tells me about this communique about the radiation levels and how much higher they were and the fact that what they did find, the British kept it to themselves.
One of the things that happened to me after the incident, I started having throat and ear problems. From there, also my gums and my mouth actually turned white. And, I kept getting sick.
when I went in one time for being sick, the doctor asked me, "What about your heart murmur?"
And the interesting thing is, you can't get in the Air Force if you have a heart murmur. They won't take you in.
So after the incident I developed a heart murmur--and it was a pretty good one. Shortly I'm probably going to have to have a bowel replacement.
I also had vision problems to include having to go down to Wilford Hall. And the doctor there, one of his questions was, "have you ever been exposed to radiation?"
.......“In my original discussions with Mr Pope I did indeed state that the readings were around 10 times normal background levels, provided that the instrument was appropriate for measuring background radiation (at the time of our discussions he could not state what the instrument was), calibrated and being used/interpreted correctly. I share the NRPB view that the use of a high-range survey instruments to measure (accurately) environmental levels of radiation is somewhat questionable and this must throw some doubt on the validity of the data reported.................”
Some skeptics in the UFO community have suggested that the radiation levels might not be as significant as the MoD suspected, arguing that the Geiger counter used was not appropriate for the task and even speculating that the dial might have been misread. I'm wary when ufologists start trying to second guess the measurements taken by the trained military personnel who were actually there, or questioning the contemporaneous scientific assessment.
Nevels used the equipment available to him (there being no such thing as a UFO radiation detector!) and the DIS assessment used the readings reported to the MoD. We can only use the data we have, not the data we'd like to have or think we should have had. That's the way science works.
In any case, such speculation misses the key point; the radiation levels peaked in the three indentations found where the craft was said to have landed. It's like using a metal detector and hearing a bleep; in a sense, it doesn't matter what make or model of metal detector is, or whether its dial reads 1 out of 10 or 8 out of 10; the key point is that it bleeped — that tells you there's something there!
Source: Nick Pope - Encounter in Rendlesham Forest