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Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

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posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: infomaniachousewife

Sacha, I'd strongly consider whose 'talents' could have created these photographs and documents. If you're right, these skills would have been honed after the incident, but already present before.




posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

Why did Halt say the OSI wanted him out, so found a way to discharge him? Why would they be involved?


I may have missed it in the interview..but I don't think the Colonel makes it entirely clear. It may have been to usher Larry out of the Air Force quietly without causing a fuss about his possible misdemeanours. Larry claims he was discharged honourably because he was not fulfilling a role he was trained to do.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: Imagewerx
For those of us casually browsing this thread and not reading every single word (sorry but there's a LOT of them) but are still following this subject with interest,can anyone say what they THINK is the most likely explanation for this long running saga?

Have we definitely eliminated Orford Ness lighthouse (or is it still in with a chance?) and the most likely explanation is a staged military experiment to see how people would react in such a scenario,or is it now believed to go way way deeper than anything we see on the surface?


The case remains unsolved despite 36 years of questions, statements and counter-statements. The evidence is solid in some respects and highly questionable (possibly even fraudulent) in others. It still points to a number of possibilities. So apologies for the long and drawn out answer.

Colonel Halt is on record as saying it was extra-terrestrial in nature and that the US and UK governments have sought to keep this case under wraps.

Jim Penniston has indicated that it is time travellers from the far future. His credibility though is highly questionable because of the way he has expanded his story over the years.

John Burroughs is still looking for the answer. It seems that his story of damage sustained to his heart from the incident eventually triggered the United States Veteran's Association to accept his claim for medical treatment.

Science writer Ian Ridpath has already given his sceptical point of view here.. His case is well presented and has to be considered. So no the lighthouse has not been eliminated.

Highly respected ufologist Jenny Randles has made her considered comments here.

She still feels that :



....I have never had serious doubt that they were describing some kind of encounter with an anomaly of some sort that created an energy field that swamped the forest and which they got into close proximity with........


If you haven't read the whole thread then I have made a few summaries here :

Early Summary with links to main points (2014)


A More Comprehensive Summary (Aug 2015)

You may also like to consider reading through the sister thread to this:

US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real

ctj83's comments are also relevant



.......To consider the light house, the only source of the RFI, means that John's injuries were not from the RFI, and the VA also admitted they were for other reasons. In short, the true reason for Johns serious radiation injuries and medical record classification becomes a defacto conspiracy......


Larry Warren's testimony has slowly been eroded over the years but seems to to have totally collapsed rapidly these past 6 months. It seems that he played no real significant part in the case. He was a cuckoo in Rendlesham Forest. Placing himself amongst the main witnesses. But utlimately exposed because he tried to also do it with long deceased people in the rock establishment.

In my opinion we are probably looking at an 'event' that the US airmen were never supposed to have stumbled upon. However it has to be up to you to make your own mind up and you have to be flexible enough to change your mind if new information comes to light.



edit on 15/1/17 by mirageman because: tidy up



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: ctj83
The present consideration is the VA admission the John Burroughs injuries, which he claimed were from the phenomena, were from whatever happened during the incident.

And the documentary evidence to support that claim is... what, exactly?

Ian



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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new blog post, Charles Halt refutes warrens latest statement about his documents.

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

Finishing the Barry Greenwood statement blog at this moment.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: ianrid




And the documentary evidence to support that claim is... what, exactly?


It is based on the comments posted on March 13, 2015, by Christopher “Kit” Green, M.D., Ph.D., FAAFS on this very website.




Q # 1 ... How can it be true that medical records such as John Burroughs' could have been classified...Is this true? Is it sensible? What are the reasons? And, Q # 2 ... What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR?

It is true, his records...about a thousand pages, and to this day, still many hundreds, were in fact legally classified. In my 46 year career as a Medical Officer and physician with CIA [including as Staff Officer, Chief of Medical Intelligence/ Life Sciences Division, and Assistant National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology]...I had, until a year of so ago...only seen a handful of truly 'classified' medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy's Autopsy, and recently...John Burroughs.

The reasons were different. When I was denied these records after many requests (even though I have continuously held TS/SCI clearances for almost 50 years), I was able to quickly determine that the reasons were quite simple...medical records are not usually digital and are easily sequestered in multiple location...and almost impossible to find (these were and remain except for recent years in hard copy, scanned, and separated from FOIA access...and even mine.) The reasons are (I was told by current DoD and VA Records staffs) that "inside the doctors notes, the nursing notes, the specialist's note are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham...and not all the connections relate to Rendlesham."

This makes some sense operationally, but no sense ethically...John was hurt. He needed care, then, often, and now. He had injuries we now understand are related to narrow RF bandwidths that only in some cases in the past five years have become linked to the specific etiology of cardiac and other injury he suffered. There are likely other persons and other injuries.

So: Q # 1 ... Yes, his records were classified. Some remain classified. The reasons are not entirely ethical. Thank god that a couple of Senators had the guts to push, and push to 'Disentangle' that which was legitimately classified from those records that were needed to make the right decision about injury sustained while on Active Duty. Period. It is/was true. It is sensible. It is not entirely the stuff to make us physicians very proud.

Q # 2 Broad-band Non Ionizing Electromagnetic Radiation caused the injuries. The RF is identified in a dozen classified and a half-dozen unclassified studies on cardiological and neurological injuries ... not thousands of reports. Very, very few physicians even care about this arcane area of research...and fewer know about the injuries sustained by near-field (< 100 M) to humans. The data is sparse, it is not properly Peer-reviewed, it is not understood, it is not the subject of current research. And that is the truth.

The decision that was made to grant medical disability to John was just. Some of his records will remain classified. Those of us in Military and Intelligence Medicine can be proud the right decision was finally, if belatedly made; we should remain both vigilant and ashamed that our profession remains improperly darkened, and we should bring it to the light when we can.

[Disclosure Statements: 1) I did not clear this short statement with John Burroughs, his Attorney, anyone in my government including my Contracting Officers' Technical Representatives. 2) I am a Chief Medical Advisor to ATS. 3. I own a fraction of a fraction of a % of Stock in The Above Network, LLC. I receive no compensation. ]

Christopher C. Green MD, PhD, FAAFS

Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...


It was also followed up with a futher statement from Kit Green via the abovetopsecret site owner Mark Allin (aka Springer)



That 'narrow RF bandwidth' I intended to specify is actually a 'BroadBand' NIEMR. It is a smaller portion of the RF range. It is at the "upper" end from high microwave and above including 10 GHz [millimeter] and Terahertz [sub-millimenter] wavelengths. This 'Broadband' NIEMR… micro-, -mm, and THz waves … cause molecular rotation, vibration, and especially intermolecular motion in human tissues. All these are dose-dependent, and can cause skin and central neuron heating, burns, sub–clinical to worse peripheral neurogenic, and connective tissue (including cardiac valve) injuries and growth of clones of cells into neoplasms. So : 'Broadband' NIEMR is a 'narrow bandwitdth' subset of the the much more broad Radiofrequency band … the [to me] most worrisome frequencies are above 300 GHz through 3,000 GHz. All these RF and NIEMR (and higher frequencies / shorter wavelengths) are below visible and of course even higher frequencies / shorter wavelength X-Rays

Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...


John Burroughs has also verbally confirmed Kit Green's assistance to help him settle his claim and recover from his injuries.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: infomaniachousewife
new blog post, Charles Halt refutes warrens latest statement about his documents.

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

Finishing the Barry Greenwood statement blog at this moment.


Well done Sacha. Although isn't it sad that much of the successful work in the ufo fields seems to be proving false claims?

I assume people are still in denial and still attacking you?



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: ianrid

I'll just add to MirageMan's post that there are several press releases, but discounting those, Springer and Kit Green, there is also the office of Senator John McCain who worked on John's behalf to secure access to the files.

Beyond that, Dr Green published a paper in his capacity at Wayne State about the exposure.

Indirectly, The Condign report references the exposure.

I think there is enough evidence but if one really wanted to I'm guessing a FOIA to the VA could also confirm.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Ok thanks for the answers everyone,I'll go over them properly during the week and try to make my own mind up.

Just a quick PS on the subject of the lighthouse.I camped (no tent,just a sleeping bag on the ground) in Rendelsham Forest in the late 1980s on an aircraft spotting trip and the one thing that struck me was that apart from the star light,how dark it was out there.If the lighthouse had been working that night (I guess it's never turned off?) it certainly wasn't obvious (or even visible) from where I was.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: ctj83
I'm guessing a FOIA to the VA could also confirm.

But that was what I was asking for. Where is the documentary evidence from the VA to support the claim that John B's health problems were related to the Rendlesham Forest Incident? If it has been released, please show us the document or provide a link to somewhere it has been published.
Also, what evidence do you have that there was any unusual radio-frequency radiation at the site on that night or any other? If there was, where did it come from? Why did it only affect JB and not the others who were out there on Night One? Was RF radiation also present on the Halt night, and if so why were he and his men not similarly affected? Why was there not a cluster of health problems among people living in the area, who would have been exposed to it for longer periods?
Sorry, but this is too speculative to take seriously without some proper evidence.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: ianrid

Hey Ian, thanks for the reply, appreciated as always. Your response reads like you think Burroughs, Frasconga, Dr Green, Springer etc have lied about the medical claim, and that Green lied about having access to Burrough's classiefied medical records which revealed the type of non ionising radiation that caused the injuries.

I think you might have conflated what we are speculating on with the actual claims by John, Kit etc. If that wasn't clear, apologies - you posted a lot of speculation afterwards which many of have posted here but obviously isn't evidence.

If you don't mind, which are you stating?

A) Are you saying you don't believe the statements of Springer, Kit Green, John Burroughs, Frascogna & Frascongna that that Kit advised Burrough's surgeons (funded by the VA's admission of disability based on the RFI incident) after seeing John's classified medical records and his medical bills were accepted by the VA? Meaning they have lied?

OR

B Are you saying that you accept that the Springer, Kit et all have honestly reported that the VA has accepted the claim, that Dr Green saw the classified records and that they indicated the frequency range of the non ionising radiation causing the injuries? You, however, discount anything beyond that?

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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Yes they are now saying that I faked all of the photos. Larrys reflection can actually be seen in an enhanced photo by people in the Warren camp (lol) but they then started saying.. I am sorry please this is so funny do not have a mouthful of food or liquid... Nick Pope generated the A10 photograph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yep you read that right ... I m almost at hysteria pitch with glee. i mean there is a point when it becomes less righteous and full on a pathetic joke that if i don't laugh at... What the hell am i going to do. sit with my jaw on the floor drooling?

This has been going on since 2015 and all the excuses have been out. anyway its in here with a statement from Barry Greenwood.

I woke up to this this morning. Posted by former Warren supporter and conference and SPI organiser.. the one who dropped the bomb on him and told people i was right and apologised profusely.. We're now a brick wall against this together.. she is amazing. She posted this this morning..

"A summary of recent events. Sacha Christie had evidence that a pic Warren claims was taken of a UFO at Rendlesham was not present in the original photo. Only after someone (name withheld) showed an image of a photo he took which afterwards had a UFO in it he'd not seen at the time, Larry then posted his photo again, but this time it had a UFO in the background. He left it on his page and waited for someone to notice, knowing in UFOlogy someone would. A guy called Mick Sayers spotted it. Larry acted like he was blown away.
Ben Emlyn-Jones then starting trying to put the boot in to Sacha saying she'd faked it, pointing out some lines on the photo. That was when our investigation team realised that in fact it was showing what clearly appears to be Warren taking a photo of what we can only assume was the original photo which was in a book called Clear Intent by Barry Greenwood. Barry insists the UFO was not present in the original, as his book clearly shows.
This morning, Larry is telling the world the image in the background is Sacha herself.
Apparently Sacha looks like a man with receding hair, glasses, large hands, a chain on his wrist, and what appear to be tattoos...
I think I've summed that up correctly. Tell me if I'm wrong. Check out the full saga on Sacha's blog."

My response...

Larry. Call the police. You know its you but you're doing this to a group of people being kind and righteous, in their minds. You are letting them look stupid and behave illegally.
Everyone analysing the photos for Larry report me to Merseyside or better still Huyton police station as its just up the road.
Report me to fraud and tell them I'm framing Larry. Then when they come to talk to me I'll give them all my evidence again. There's even more now.
What you are saying has been done is highly criminal.
You can report online too.

I included contact details for the police


They are trying to say this is an orchestrated attack between myself and Nick Pope who is a spy/plant/informant/add your own conspiracy ...... Just wow, Biggest fraud in ufological history.

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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I don't know if anyone can enhance this a bit more. I've done what i can. this is a reflection of warrens face in the center of the small blob ufo of the A10 photo.



Warren when he sees this.

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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I think he chops photos together with apps, prints them out, adds bits, whatever.. he seems to like putting them behind glass. I don't know if that blends edges a little. I have never tried.

I put an app on my phone a short while ago to see what the photo editors are like. I reckon if you tried hard enough it wouldn't be hard to do.



I was nine in this photo.. when i met Lennon. Honest.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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Poor Nick. What is it about this whole topic that drives people mental and against each other?

Anyway I think Larry's story lies in a coffin and you are now sealing it down with nails. Why others can't see that is probably because they don't want to.

I am no photo software expert. I use it occasionally. This is what I could do in 10 mins. with the A10 photo.



You can definitely make out the face and glasses behind a camera with a bit of sharpening and lighting enhancements. I'm sure someone else can probably do a better job than me. But I think it proves your point to some extent.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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I don't think we could obtain Burrough's records from the United States Veteran's Association via a FOIA request. Quite rightly so as this applies to all citizens. It would contravene the US FOI act which has clear exemptions for documents which are "personnel and medical and similar files where the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."

If John Burroughs chose to release them then would be a different matter of course. But the problem is as Kit Green puts.




.It is true, his records...about a thousand pages, and to this day, still many hundreds, were in fact legally classified. In my 46 year career as a Medical Officer and physician with CIA [including as Staff Officer, Chief of Medical Intelligence/ Life Sciences Division, and Assistant National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology]...I had, until a year of so ago...only seen a handful of truly 'classified' medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy's Autopsy, and recently...John Burroughs.


If Mr. Green, a former CIA man with government clearances, could not access all the documents then we have no chance.

Although John Burroughs injury has been discussed, Kit Green has also said others may also have sustained injuries. (Jim Penniston was supposedly filing a claim although it is unknown what the status of that claim is.)



He had injuries we now understand are related to narrow RF bandwidths that only in some cases in the past five years have become linked to the specific etiology of cardiac and other injury he suffered. There are likely other persons and other injuries.


There is some documentation around the claim to the VA on behalf of John Burroughs

There is the statement from his lawyer :



In 1979, Burroughs passed the USAF entrance physical and was assigned to RAF Woodbridge, where, in December, 1980 he was exposed to the effects of an anomalous vehicle. From the moment of the event, Burroughs suffered from a variety of symptoms, including those of eye, throat, and gum disease.

In the summer of 1981, Burroughs made a visit to a civilian emergency room and was found to have an unusual heart condition. Despite this, he was allowed to stay in the military and remain on active duty.

In 1988, when Burroughs left active duty for the reserves, his exit physical records show vision and heart damage, clearly implying that he incurred disability during the term of his service.

In 2011, while attempting to diagnose unfamiliar symptoms of worsening heart problems, Burroughs' civilian doctor asked for his medical records.

After filing a 2012 claim with former Arizona Senator Jon Kyl's office seeking assistance in obtaining records, Burroughs suffered another episode of symptoms of heart disease, resulting in the implant of a pacemaker.

Link to Full Document



There is also a letter to President Obama sent by various former members of US Congress to request the release of both Penniston and Burroughs medical records. Something previously denied multiple times.




So we have a conundrum we've already discussed. Burroughs injuries were either sustained at Rendlesham during his visit off base in December 1980 or they weren't. If they were then we have a genuine mystery that was not caused by a lighthouse or the celestial events in the skies over Suffolk at the time.

If they weren't - then the VA, Kit Green, Burroughs and others involved in the case are all involved in covering something else up. Something that is obviously more important to keep secret than a UFO story.


edit on 16/1/17 by mirageman because: typos



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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We have a smoking gun..

only we don't know which gun is emitting the fumes.

I doubt we ever will.. either gun is too hot to handle for the public.

Kev



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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Dupliclate.
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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Duplicate.


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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: infomaniachousewife

That is almost Billeye Meier quality sloppy hoax making...


Hang in there infomaniachousewife, the truth is ALWAYS the best everything. This sham is pretty much undeniable at this point.

Check your PMs...



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