Astrology is not a science!

hey tone down your anti-western hatred

that is not any way to get anyone to agree with you

well said Sowhat ! kIu ! I think that the major technological advancements in the world were initiated only during the world wars, the inventions of different manufacturing processes, management systems, new alloys, computers, organics (as weapon),.... and there are lot more things that had roots putting up to world war, a need to struggle for existence, a need to prove stronger, safer, stabe..... and all this led to development and research of new technologies.. and hence here we are !! One invention stumbles upon another invention ! But if imagined another way, what would have happened if there were no world wars, would we have had developed the "so called technicalities" to what we are? similarly the ancient civilizations might not have thought of doing most of the inventions just because they just might not have felt its need. . isnt it? and this is what we are talking about is 10000 years past, ooh man ! can u imagine the big figure ?? what could have happened in that period?? no one knows? Archeologist can not find each and every evidence on earth. Recently archeologists found the whole city of Dwarka during the time of Pandavas and Kauravas in the sea coasts of Gujarat , India !! This whole epic script was considered to be just a fantasy or a fairy tale, but now, its a proof that these scripts were not a story but a hard core facts. We need to change our notions and think with the positive and optimistic view point of these scripts. Who know , we can come up and develop a new technology, based on ancient technology !!! ???? !!!

Just imagine how could a 5000 year old scripture describe accurately the present day rocket

as: "A craft that flew on a ray of light (jet engine) and made the sound of a thunder"

If you take the scenario i described earlier, then if a "modern day farmer" was to write a

manuscript after surviving a nuclear war, then i think exactly this would have also been his

words to describe a present day rocket

The difference being that we could perhaps provide video/photographic technical data evidence of rockets! why didnt they? even a drawing if they were so advanced, why no ancient images, even on rocks? Did such an appatrently advanced folk have no concept of preservation of information? time capsules? nothing with which to document their history for future folk?

Surly something would have survived?

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God so stuped people on this site!! Dont you thing there would of been buildings, houses, roads.., left? 10000 is nothing, even the windows of their buildings supose to be ok for 10000 years.

Exactly. We have fossils of dinosaurs millions and millions of years old.

Originally posted by Pavel
God so stuped people on this site!! Dont you thing there would of been buildings, houses, roads.., left? 10000 is nothing, even the windows of their buildings supose to be ok for 10000 years.

ummmmmmmmmmm..... what? Did you say something about stupid? Can somebody please translate. Thank you.

I enjoy theorizing about ancient undiscovered civilizations. I have a Bachelor's degree in anthropology, and have participated in excavations in the Middle East, American Southwest, and Central U.S.

I consider myself open to the possibility, and am certainly interested in the finds in the Black sea (funny how no one has mentioned those . . .)

Here are my "top 4" objections concerning ancient unacknowledged civilizations.

1. We know fairly well who was on the earth back then. We HAVE found evidence of humans worldwide going back 10,000 years. So if there was a highly sophisticated civilization, it didn't include most of the people alive back then. Now, you might argue that western tech is not used by beduin in the Sahel, or the Yamomano in the Amazon Basin. That is true, but if you go in any Amazonian encampment, you will find bic lighters and SKS rifles. Even people not participating in our civ manage to pocket a few artefacts.

2. Scientists of the future will call us the "coke" culture. There are coke cans everywhere on earth, because of us. At the south pole. K2. You can even date the camps on mt. everest by the shape and style of the coke bottles.

3. Sand is the most common element on earth. Atomic blasts (or any superhot fire) fuse sand into a greenish iridescent mass, that has curved layers perpendicular to the direction of the blast. You see this at White Sands N.M. and Hiroshima. IF there were an ancient nuclear war, where is the "atomic glass from it." As in show me pictures. Mohanjo Daro doesn't have that kind of damage.

4. People copy military technology first. The classic example is the expedition by Cousteau's son in the Amazon in the 1960's. A week later, all the Yamomano had m-16's. IF the chinese or Israelites visited the Maya, how come the maya (supposedly) copied calendars or art-styles, but not the bow or the metal dagger? Within 15 years of Cortez, the Mayans were forging bronze themselves.
Another example is the pueblo revolt of 1580 in New Mexico. The very first thing the indians stole was horses, not guns. They understood that they could not make their own gunpowder; but the did see that horses make more of their own kind. They knew what to steal. So how come neanderthals, who invented every basic tech except the wheel, lived next door to fighter jets, and never swiped any of their neighbor's stuff? A compass, or liquid fuel (great for driving herds of bison over cliffs), or aerodynamics which would have made even a spear fly better?

There must have only been a few thousand people in this mighty civilization, not to leave any trace. IF you tell me that they had "other" technology, that left no material remains, but was a more spiritual civilization, then I must say: A civilization w/out cities is not really a civilization. Our word comes from latin "civitas," a city.

Let's see. No highways. No fences. No skyscrapers. No metal remains, no mines or altering of the landscape. Hmmm. That's not a civilization, it's a bunch of nomads around a campfire--exactly what mainstream science claims!

No offence to AU. I enjoy your posts.

But claiming that Einstein was a secret Kabbalist is not a responsible statement.

Either:

a) someone has mislead you, and you want us to agree with you and take your word for it.

or

b) You think he must have been, becuase it seems plausible in the context of your other personal conclusions about both Einstein AND Kabalah.

I also have a keen interest in mysticism, as it relates to both the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and New Testament. In fact, I taught myself Koine Greek and Masoretic Hebrew so that I could read those documents and commentaries on them. Currently, I'm working on a translation of Ezekiel's vision at the beginning of the epynomous book. I am also making my own translation of Matthew from the Nestle-Aland critical text.

Additionally, I've done in-depth studies of the Sepher Yetzirah, Parashat Pinhas, Bere# Rabbah, and Shaarey Or.

It does a grave disservice to both Einstein the historical person and Kabbalah as a field of literature to connect the two "because their both neat."

Now if you want to say that another scientist was a Kabalist, well then fine. Isaac Newton was both a physicist and an Alchemist and Kabalist. My evidence? The Ashmolean Library consists largely of Newton's works, which he kept in a secret room in his house, and bequeathed to Ashmole on his death. Evidence? A copy of the Old Testament in Hebrew, transcribed in Newton's own hand. Newton DID believe that Kabalah influenced his research into physics and number theory. when asked, he said "IF I have seen further, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants."

So. Do you want me to believe that you have some startling evidence about Einstein, and you are refusing to share it? That's like saying "I have the philosopher's stone, and can turn lead into gold on a whim, but I won't let your see it."

My number one argument against highly advanced ancient earth civilizations, is that there are no anceint satelites found anywere in our solar system. If they were space fairing, you would think some sort of space junk would have been found floating around one of our planets or the sun. Nothing yet found on the moon to show past space exploration either.

If we all blew up today from collision with planet X and the earth was completely wiped out and reborn with fresh crust etc.. in a billion years some space junk would still be around for any future intelligent life on earth to find. Hell who knows spirit and oportunity might still be sending back pictures then...

X

Ron, although you say

Everything is well documented out there!!! You just need to lay down ur ego to believe them...

Its not documented on a trustworthy independant site. Show me where to find the Mahabharata for instance on a nice museumlike site and I'll read the whole thing to find an instance of what you claim. But you cannot direct us to a UFO site and expect to be treated without cynicism.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Gazrok! please for one moment try getting yourself a rationale view point!

Those iron beams etc are the case left by two airliners... incase of nuclear blast, it would be molten iron, and plastic wont even be found i guess...

I'd strongly recommend looking at some photos of Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the atom bombs were dropped on it, as you'll see just how much is left. It's not nearly the atomization you're thinking of.

You only need to worry if Gaz and Byrd DON'T challenge you

Ain't that the truth!

Just so you know, we aren't attacking YOU, we're attacking the claim. If everyone agreed with everyone, it'd be a pretty dull site. This particular genre happens to be Byrd's area of expertise....

People melt the metals and other debris to build their way instead the old style of life? Made into tools?

As intersting as all that is, you have no proof, no logical reason to belive any one that, i cant realy seem to think that what you are saying is fathomable. Stuff just doesnt dissinigrate, it leaves ruble(unless it the plane hitting the pentagon), we would find all asortments of thing, until you show us a ligitamete aftifact, you have nothing.

As intersting as all that is, you have no proof, no logical reason to belive any one that, i cant realy seem to think that what you are saying is fathomable. Stuff just doesnt dissinigrate, it leaves ruble(unless it the plane hitting the pentagon), we would find all asortments of thing, until you show us a ligitamete aftifact, you have nothing.

a thought,

Let me put my foot in my mouth,

I thought I remember reading that the text in question talked about not us fighting but that another species was trying to take our world. If so then the explaination on the use of Atomic weapons may not be the weapons used back then. Perhaps a phaser or a partical disruptor to disolve or seperate matter at an atomic level so everything would become dust?
Many believe the text is myth, but unless we are willing to look at it then like Troy we will niever find the real truths.

Ok, foot out of mouth , easier to breath with alot less aroma,

Michael

Originally posted by Ark-Angel
a thought,

... Atomic weapons may not be the weapons used back then. Perhaps a phaser or a partical disruptor to disolve or seperate matter at an atomic level so everything would become dust?

Michael

Sure enough, think about how our next stage of technological achievement
will be the nano-tech stage...
nano-bots will create all sorts of biological items & clothings and environments for living,,,,completely environmentally friendly, nonpolluting,
bio-degradable,
engineered & designed to not leave a 'FOOT-PRINT' of man as a legacy!!

we can only concieve of concrete/metal buildings, tin cans, glass bottles,
fiberglass/composite cars, etc etc etc
---in 20-100 years that will be 'quaint' yet backward thinking!--

? all those cro-magnon or neanderthals might been excaped or mavericks
of evolutionary families that past civilizations quaranteened themselves from---much like our present day natural preserves in various places over the globe, only the occassional scientific teams would have any tenuious contact with these tribes, clans etc.?

open minds often open doorways