The 10,000 year old civilization which was more advanced than us, page 3

Originally posted by CaptainRon
I would like to point out some facts:
(90% of all this comes from the Ancient Indian Scriptures)

You are aware however that there is a non-existent passage fraudulently attributed to vedic scriptures that pertains to this issue tho right?

There were 7 "Rishi" cities on this planet during the Rama Empire i.e. around 10,000 years back.

Archaeological evidence exists from 10,000 years ago. None of it indicates globe spanning advanced urban empires

These cities naturally included that of Mohan Jodaro, Harrappa,

'Mohenjo Daro' i beleive. Neither of those two cities existed 10,000 years ago, and when they did exist they were 'primitive' cities made out of mud clay bricks and the like, not made out of materials and technology more advanced than today.

The Mohan Jodaro was much more well planned than 95% cities in pakistan and india as of today.

No it wasn't. Mohenjo daro and harrapa were merely a conglomeration of streets with brick buildings on them and a central citadel with a temple complex on it. There is nothing particularly, and certainly not 'unusually' well planned about that. Infact, having a city on a fortified hilltop next to a river is positively pedestrian for this early period, which, again, wasn't 10,000 years ago.

We have the old scriptures still with us

Vedic scripture is still, from what i understand, fantasically under translated, nevertheless how does the description differ from anything anyone in the conventional picture of that world would know? Explosions and being chared? Things flying around in the sky? Nothing particularly helpful there.

Aviation technology is some of the most well explained scientific developments of the earlier times.

And yet one doesn't find evidence of the hundreds of power plants, ore processing facilities, mines, factories, manufacturing plants, smelting plants, and heck even the universities and trade schools required to dream this technology up in the first place.

You even find diagrams and procedure on how to make an aeroplane that would be propelled by "Anti-Gravity".

Merely because someone thinks thats what some drawings are hardly makes them thus. Also, if these technologies were present, and preserved accurately in their writtings, then, even after a nuke war, (which somehow hasn't left any evidence for its occurance) the people back then would've been able to rebuild.

EVentually what happens is that the science is long forgotten

Why would it be forgotten? People aren't going to go back to pre-agricultural techniques for thousands of years just because there was a nuclear war. No matter what there will still be some cities and towns and places where there wasn't destruction, and even places where there wasn't total destruction. There'd be something left, and there'd be enough to have some basic technology, not the practically stone age technology of 10,000 years ago.

and those few who retain it, are known as black magicians, sorcerrors and

But these magicians don't have advanced technology.

A truth that has been well documented in sanskrit text

Why would these scientists record their advanced technologies in vague, inacurate, poetic texts? Where are the diagrams explaining the relationship between thrust and mass and fuel efficiences and the like, the technical information that they'd be wanted to record?

scriptures.
Just imagine how could a 5000 year old scripture describe accurately the present day rocket

as: "A craft that flew on a ray of light (jet engine) and made the sound of a thunder"
I think the thing to keep in mind here is that the vedic scriptures have extremely controversial translations, and, agian, there are fraudulent texts being ported about as if they came from these scriptures. Does this line, for example literally translate as that, or could it be talking about a god of lightening and thunder, for example?

Davenport claimed to

have proof that Mohenjo Daro, one of the oldest cities in the history of human civilization,

had been destroyed by an atomic bomb. Davenport shows that the ruined site known as the

place of death by archaeologists was not formed by gradual decay.

Originally Mohenjo Daro, which is more than 5000 years old, lay on two islands in the Indus.

Within a radius of 1.5 km Davenport demonstrates three different degrees of devastation

which spread from the center outwards. Enormous heat unleashed total destruction at the

center. Thousands of lumps, christened �black stones� by archaeologists, turned out to be

fragments of clay vessels which had melted into each other in the extreme heat.

And how is any of this evidence different from a fire of anykind?

as if the living had been suddenly overcome by an

unexpected catastrophe.

sure, but a nuclear one?

there can be no research by enlarged teams with physicists, chemists, metallurgists, etc.

So you are saying that there isn't any evidence for this sort of stuff. If there were a nuke explosion, I'd have to say that a city made out of clay bricks is going to very more extensively damaged than mohenjo daro or harrapan. Besides which, there should be isotopic evidence of nuclear detonation.

the WTC were reduced down to a pile of dust by two airliners...

The world trade center was reduced to an enourmous pile of concrete (which has to be engineered), and technologicall advanced steel and other metals, not to mention the clothing, plastics, breifcases, and everything else belonging to the people inside of it.

a nuclear winter will last for years

Nuclear winter is an entirely theoretical consideration, and certainly isn't goin to happen because a mere seven cities have been nuked. Also, if it occured, then where is the evidence for the massive crop die off then? Or a layer of radionuclides and ash across the entire globe?

There is a tendency of the west to disregard anything that over shadows their ego.

Apparently there is also a tendency to make up stuff about grand ancestors. There is simply nothing in the archaeological records to justify any of this.

I have grown up learning that the scriptures that I have been reading have been written as long as 10,000 years back!

And somehow there is just no evidence of writting from that era. The only writting from harrapan and mohenjo daro are extremely 'primitive' pictograms, nothing like sanskrit. Infact, they aren't even thought to be sanskrit or a sanskrit precursor, but rather an elamo-dravidian language, not a indo-european one like sanskrit.

chakotay
But what will remain of those iron ships in 11,000 years

Probably about as much as remians from bone and other archaeological artefacts from 11,000 years ago. Its not like there is just some big 'blank' on the archaeological record for those times.

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I am not going to discuss Einstein's theories since science is not my strong suit.

I don't think that this guy is going to be much of an authority for what einsteins inspirations were then no?

the accuracy of dating methods are being called into account now

I don't think that all the archaeological sites have radiometric dates to them. And what are the specific instances that you had trouble getting reliable radiometric data? Were far too recent samples used, or were good samples sent in with completely different 'ballpark dates' and then you got those ballpark dates? Also, if radiometric dating is totally unreliable, then there wouldn't be agreement between methods, and there wouldn't be any sort of systematic relationships between sites. The only way to get the current 'system' then with unrelaible radiometric data, would be for some sort of conspiracy to be controlling it all.

cap ron
I don't believe that anything would have been left of Hiroshima or Nagasaki if it was left as it is for another 200 years... you wouldn't see a single darn sign that anything existed

Then why does one see anything left from harrapa and mohenjo daro? And making them thousands of years older than they actually were only increases this problem.

Can anyone explain me how could the people existing 1000s of years back having 'no scientific knowledge' could describe the effects of a Nuclear explosion?

But they don't do that. They don't talk about radionuclides, radiation, or any of that. What you have is people talking about an explosion and people charred. Nothing about that says nuke attack more than 'fire'.

Not being able to find its traces is not an excuse... can i have an intelligent reason?

Not being able to find traces of it is the only reason to think that they were advanced, notice, weren't advnaced, not that they were incapable of thinking. There is no evidence for the massive world system that would be required to make anyof this. There is evidence of small tribes living in extremely primtive 'cities' 10-11000 years ago, and, again, harrapan and mohenjo-daro aren't one of them. Those are much more advanced cities that existed thousands of years later.
[qote]The author/editor provides us with a translation of ancient texts from India

Unacceptable. Where are the actual primary sources for these claims. Supposed translations supposedly demonstrating something are useless. Where are the actual original texts that this author was refering to?

what makes you think that out of 10,000 years this recent 100 years were all that man got civilised in.

He is saying that, even now, there is a progression from one technology to another. Even this modern world with its rapid pace of technological advancement came out of a less advanced world, whereas the insertion of a super advanced society into 10,000 years ago requires an instant jump from complete 'savagery' into futuristic technology, far beyond anything that is reasonable to suppose.

Can anyone tell me how could the rishi's could make such medicines without having advanced chemical and pharmaceutical knowledge?

Probably the same way cultures all over the world have done it. One doesn't need to know the chemical structure of the various compounds in a plant to know that it will have one affect or the other.

Laghima ( the art of levitating ) also comes from here

And yet, people can't levitate.