The 10,000 year old civilization which was more advanced than us, page 19
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reply posted on 15-4-2009 @ 12:30 PM by Xtrozero
reply to post by Bldrvgr




The bottom line is I base my views on what has been found and studied so far and you base your views on what has not been found yet or maybe never will.

If we did find something that would lead us in the direction that civilization was more advance than us 10,000 years ago, or that we have advanced to a modern state a number of times in the past just to fall back to the stone age I would quickly chance my views. I’m not arguing with you on whether these are possibilities since possibilities are endless, and even a fish like earth walking race that lived in a modern civilization state two million years ago is also a possibility, so yes I agree your views are possibilities.

Hell even evolution is a “theory” but it has more empirical data backing it up then anything other theory has as support. Does this mean we stop looking, no we continue to study and search to either change this theory or fine tune it into a fact.

For me to agree with you a race would need to be very large (billions) with advance communication abilities, or a smaller isolated race that was linked to an advance alien race, or a civilization that was something other than Homo sapiens and became extinct.

I don't think homo sapiens in small isolated groups had the ability to advance very fast, so this is why when we look back at the ice age when it is suggested we were very low in population our advancements were either extremely slow or even halted until our population had the ability to grow and trade/communication was established across many cultures.

Going back farther than the ice age our population looked, based on data so far, to have been more tribe like nomads for 100,000s (millions) of years.

When we look not that far in the past we see that advancement was not universal across the whole human race, many cultures did one or two things much better than other cultures, and it was not until we had the ability to trade these advancement back and forth have we really started on a more modern era.

So looking at great ancient civilizations in our past they only got that way by either having the best trade routes of their time, or they advance by war across expansive areas of the continents. In both of these cases they were able to collect advancements from many different cultures that were good in a few areas.

This is just how we work, and to suggest we had the ability in the past to advance in all directions as we do today but in small isolated cultures we are talking about a more super human race with extremely better capabilities than what we are/have.




[edit on 15-4-2009 by Xtrozero]


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 06:11 AM by Parta
reply to post by Xtrozero



but the near extinction event was 70kya right?? not 25kya or even 10kya.

these folks in central europe were them that we cannot mention... the first caucasians [mladac] and they didn't disappear. They became the r1 ydna groups. the i and j groups originated there too [because mysterious mr IJ lived in europe as of 2009]

"dumbing down" compares levels of advancement at 25kya and 10kya so there was 15ky where science couldn't track the weavers/ceramics makers but they did realize that for some reason, later western european cultures [like magdalenians] had an eastern border [in the dolni vestonice area] which they did not cross despite the wonderful living conditions on the other side.

what did science find over there on the other side [which happens to be downriver where it was always warm and aurochy]? well they found that the aurignacians didn't die out at all, they were happily living in the choisest bits post glacial. they also found that the choisest choisest bits were under 20m up to hundreds of meters of sediment. what was down there noone knew. [digging down to just 7kya on the danube]

recently they discovered that they didn't realize [couldn't imagine] the scale of the features they should be looking for. people really took coralling to heart. they loved their fishfarming and the bigger the canal the better. if there wasn't a mountain then they built one and a city wasn't a city unless it was 600m across.

fun times.


reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 03:24 PM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by PhyberDragon
If i wee an ancient with advanced knowledge and humanity nearly wiped itself out, I would formulate a plan where the survivors could ensure that by keeping the tecnology secret my descendants and their closest heirs would maintain the ruling class upper hand over the new civilizations which would emerge later. Isn't that what we here at ATS have accused the ruling secret elite of doing since te ancient generations. After a few generations have fortified themslves, I would begin a massive cleanup of any traces of the pas and a reoctoring of history would commence by seasoning the unintiated into so much servitude that anywho even think about ruining the new status quo would be dealt with by their fellow slaves. like an Uncle Tom syndrome. That would justify why there are no signs of the survivors passing on their knowledge- at least openly. And if anyone outside the circle tried to share the knowledge, brand them with a derogatory label having negative connotatins and execute them then bury their work.



One of my own theories of human advancement is more based on a few Newton, Einstein etc that came and went throughout history. When one of these guys came along great advancement were made in their short life, but after they were gone much of that advancement could have easily eroded away, or stayed very isolated. I would say the Romans were our first big advancement period that was based mainly on collecting advancement across many cultures. Before this advancements were very isolated and patchy at best.


reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 05:13 PM by Durabys
Originally posted by Gazrok
Nope.

First off, welcome to the board...

We've been digging at Harrappa for quite some time, and haven't turned up ANYTHING "advanced".

As for Atlantis, the civilization was either 900 or 9000 years old by the time Plato heard of it (depending on which translation), and Plato's Dialoge does NOT mention advanced tech (despite what many think...) Read it yourself and you'll see. (plenty of links in most Atlantis threads)

much more superior and scientific has existed prior to our present day civilization


Really, so, even in the event of a nuclear war, we should find remains of skyscrapers? Why haven't we? Surely some would have survived, for us to be here? Did they all suddenly "forget" the knowledge? One thing we've seen, is that the more we advance, we find better and better ways for our legacy to live on. We have developed ways to preserve our artifacts for thousands of years, why didn't they? Where is the evidence of their highways? What about plastics?

As for the rebuilding, some basics would have been retained, even to grow crops. Metal-working would still be done, and VERY soon, Mr. Scientist would have gotten a working steam engine going to aid in the farm work. Likewise, he would have been quick to harness electricity from solar, wind, water sources, etc. to make life a little easier, and to help the crops.

Meteor impacts behave VERY similar to atomic blasts if large enough. We can see this in places like Tunguska.

SOMETHING, no matter how inane, would have survived from such a civilization. We have nothing. SOME advanced knowledge would have survived, and we'd see a drastically different timeline for inventions. We don't, it's quite linear. The evidence doesn't fit, nor does the logic for it...


On Youtube there is a wonderful 45 minute film named: What would happen if the human race dissapeard in one flash.
ps: It goes in the future and how our architecture would resist the scale of time and wonder wonder the only things that remaind were the ancient ones(piramds, great wall of china, etc) because they were build for longevity and endurance and not out of Capitlistic greed and money saving on every little piece of equipment, that will perish within a thousand years.


[edit on 12/08/09 by Durabys]


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 10:10 PM by jeit78
reply to post by KrummyButton



so let me guess. these people didnt know how to put gold on the pharao's tooth, but new perfectly how to mumify him so his body is gonna last for thousands of years?..


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 10:13 PM by jeit78
reply to post by Xtrozero



even if you had ten times more than the number u suggested, it still would be impossible to place such stones in specific locations. The Message of The Sphinx has many clues on this subject.
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